Do you even cycle ? A Motorcycle and a Bicycle are entirely different I'll teach you something new today, as follows, A Motorcycle requires an Engine to run (Unless it is a Moped like Luna) A Motorcycle is way heavier than a Bicycle for a Human to peddle it A Bicycle requires a Healthy Human to run it A Bicycle is light enough for any Normal Human to peddle it (provided you are not obese or skinny as a stick) Everyday lakhs of people use a modest 4k Bicycle and peddle it from one place to another with a load of more than 50kgs Same cannot be done on a Motorcycle with a lower capacity engine That's why Engine's matter in Motorcycle And, By the Way, a 100cc engine will also work for off-roading depending upon how its suspension and drivetrain is setup Majority of Off-Roaders range between 110cc to 250cc, you will not find a 400cc or 600cc off-road bike KTM Adventure is a Dual Sport, not just an Off-Roader, to know more, please Google "Dual Sport" or ask your friendly neighborhood mechanic (if he is friendly to you, which I highly Doubt) City Commuting on something more than 200cc is Idiotic, you won't be able to ride it at high speeds it is capable of and won't be getting good mileage either Touring requires a modest capacity engine for Highway cruising, dual sports are advantageous as India has a lot of places to explore without any decent Roads Now that you have learnt something new today, bow down and respect your teacher ----consecutive posts auto-merged----- Time for your teaching lesson too I have been cycling for a longer time than you would have first touched a cycle I can take apart and rebuild a bicycle faster than you can think about it I have a 20 year old Hercules still going strong A Trek will give you light weight chasis, light weight rims, thick tyres, disc brakes, shimano gears All this will be required if you are one of the following kind of people : Puny Thin Little Man who cannot handle the weight of a proper bicycle Fat Obese Big Man who cannot ride a proper bicycle as his own body weight is too much You have chicken legs and are not fit enough to ride a proper bicycle fast enough and hence need Gears to assist you A Milkman is more experienced at riding a bicycle than you When you ride a bike, you are pulling not just the bike's weight but your weight as well Costlier bikes will obviously have better rear suspension but on mountain trails, hard tails are as it is better, unless you are coming down-hill where full suspension will be slightly faster Hercules and Hero both have light weight chasis and rims with thicker tyres, disc brakes and shimano gears available in their range now Go to their website to check it out or a cycle shop and take a test drive Additional Lesson No. 1 : Single Speed will not cause fatigue is better than Gears on an up-hill 24" wheels will always be faster than 26" Additional Lesson No. 2 : Thicker the tyre, heavier it will be 2 or 2.2 width is sufficient enough for mtb Additional Lesson No. 3 : Invest more in a proper saddle (noseless saddle if you are lucky enough to find it in India) Additional Lesson No. 4 : Get your weight in check, fitter you are the better you will be able to cycle (cycling alone will not make you lose weight) Additional Lesson No. 5 : Build some forearm and grip strength if you planning to ride your bicycle in hilly regions Additional Lesson No. 6 : Stop acting like an arrogant know it all just because you ride a costlier cycle, idiots spend, wisemen know when not to spend Additional Lesson No. 7 : Ride your favorite most costly so called top end bicycle back to back with a Hero bicycle like the RX1 to know the real difference rather than staying locked up in your house It will save you several thousands of rupees which can be well spent elsewhere Additional Less No. 8 : Do you even know any Mountain Trails or have ever ridden any ? Did you forgot that there was a time when all these costly bikes were not available in India and people were still able to cycle effectively, they were actually healthier too Additional Less No. 9 : If you want to treat Cycling as a Healthy Hobby, buying an extremely lightweight cycle will be counter-productive, you will not be performing much effort of work to make it healthy Get a heavier cycle will full suspension as it robs you off the effort you invest in peddling the cycle and makes you do more work and hence making it a much more healthier alternative Additional Less No. 10 : Suspensions are overrated, only front is needed if you plan to come down-hill on the bicycle Rear suspension will increase the traction of the tyre but also will rob you of the enery you invest in pedalling, can be a pain in the ass when going up-hill Gears are overrated, you can do without them entirely, really expensive mtb bikes dont come with gears Real Cyclists adjust the chain slack, travel and distance themselves to suit their needs, they don't rely on fixed ratio gears No Need to Thank Me, consider yourself Enlightened !!!

Dear teacher, you can take your knowledge (lop sided) and treasure it for someone/some place else

I almost never knew I need forearms to ride hills! And that 24inch wheels are faster! Wow I really learned something. Folks.. Listen to the man. There's a key msg which says 'wise man knows where to invest... So be wise and don't invest your time trying to explain someone who thinks he's a teacher. You know what is true wisdom..' avoiding situations where you need to use it '.

Dear teacher, you can take your knowledge (lop sided) and treasure it for someone/some place else

There's a very good reason people knowledgeable enough on the topic have avoided your posts because they make zero sense.
Also since we're googling stuff on motorcycles - google what CS Santosh rides in the Dakar. He's obviously a better off roader than me or you.

Finally, I don't have a mechanic. I work on my vehicles myself.

You're requested to keep your tone in check. You are welcome to post counter arguments if they make sense in a polite manner. You have FB/Twitter for rants but xBhp won't support such activities.

You are free to leave the forum if you don't like it, but stop posting irrelevant stuff.

You have no idea about Geometry. Don't you? And so the forks, forming of tubes, double walled rims, and its "Chassis" So, Eddy/Lance/Wiggins are obese/thin fellas? and do the triathletes You have reprhased this from some internet article. You're not knowledgeable about suspension Nope. You need to know the difference between steel, cr-moly, Al 6 series vs 7 series, carbon and titanium. You ride a bicycle/bike, you drive a car ----consecutive posts auto-merged----- +1. OP/Yud, your posts doesn't make sense. Get the facts right as I mentioned. Thanks God! I stopped reading when you said I would suggest you to take your math lessons again. Some reading 29ers Are Faster than 26ers, Study Finds | Bicycling Nope. I can build a bike much faster than you. Your 20 year old Hercules is strong which you dont need to mention it, but you need to be.

I almost never knew I need forearms to ride hills! And that 24inch wheels are faster! Wow I really learned something.

Folks.. Listen to the man. There's a key msg which says 'wise man knows where to invest... So be wise and don't invest your time trying to explain someone who thinks he's a teacher. You know what is true wisdom..' avoiding situations where you need to use it '.

Yudhishtir u r a self proclaimed teacher! Kool be that .... But don't call out on anyone's else's experience without knowing him/her, https://www.strava.com/athletes/152873 , that's 20k.kms that's just from time I've been using strava. As far as I'm concerned ive owned all types of bikes expect titanium. And a good bike can go a long way for serious cycling. You may disagree that's your call but it doesn't make you right, neither does it give you to personally call out on people's experience if they differ from your opinion. Your tone makes me feel you're a 'I know it all' kinda person, but never presume others know less. That's my only advice to you. As far as those who are serious about discussing cycling in general will continue to do so without personal mudslinging.

In cycling while size has some science to it, it's more to do with personal liking as well. a 5'7" - 6" height person is luckiest in this regard as a bigger range of sizing & cockpit adjustment is available to them based on how their personal preference is. eg I'm a 5'10" and I've had a 54cm Saroni, Surly 56cm, my current Scott is 52cm, Cinelli is 53 & Olmo is 55 . But again not all bikes have exact same stem lengths or stack heights. So that way I've had a range of stems too. My Cinelli has a 95mm, Soctt 110mm, Olmo 100mm and I had Surly with 100. then 90 and 85! I'm from old school thought, so For me It basically boils down to what the bike is for, how it's gonna be ridden & then the cockpit & reach & drop etc is decided accordingly over a period. Tough the general philosophy is Racing bikes/ speed demons needs to be shorter frame, Touring needs to be bigger/biggest in your size range & endurance/ serious recreation falls somewhere in between.

To be honest Monk for 70k this bike is a killer, full Carbon frame+fork, mid-range components and very good wheelest & top-notch cockpit components. A single Deda bar costs 4k & stem costs 2.5k alone. These are not what you get in a OEM bike unless you're buying flagship or top line bikes. If you're interested get it, you can check with some of the Bangalore bikers like Venkateshwara, Anatha, Arvind from Happy earth about me & Prabuddha & this deal. The reason he's selling the Fuji is he's just built an expensive custom steel bike from Psynide and actually needs space. If I myself didn't already have a carbon & other 3 bikes this would be mine.

I beat you in 2016.

Well when I read kaffenback my eyebrows went up... Vandit is my good friend 😀. Believe me you must buy a Carbon if not this one still, I bought one just to understand what's the hype. Initially I was comparing it with my favorite steel bike but I realized later that carbon is a different thing altogether. I still love riding cromoly bikes. And honestly after riding so many bikes I realized that its not the materials which matter as such, the crux of the matter is the geometry and the nuances of the setup which is the true flavor of the bike. And I that I found a personal liking to Italian stage geometry. Which says why my 2 best bikes are Italian. Both opposite end of the spectrum in materials, purpose and age... Yet both have that same flavor while riding. Both are completely different yet same in crux, both sublime handlers yet with a nip and equally comfortable. I guess I'm sounding like a wine connoisseur than a cyclist!

Anyway point is unless you try different types and bikes you don't really know how flavourful they are. The whole game of how components then affect the package is a different ball game all together.

I love my Kaffe to bits. With a steel frame and no extra curves that you see on modern cycles, a lot of the 'dilli cyclists' think i am riding a painted Hero Hawk or something! Probably why i like it even more! That and the fact that most people haven't heard the name of the company, much less the model!

I have ridden carbon, briefly. But never owned anything from that cool material. Except if you consider Carbon Paper we used as kids



A risky statement. If you had missed out the word 'bikes', it would have had a whole different meaning

Yudhishtir u r a self proclaimed teacher! Kool be that .... But don't call out on anyone's else's experience without knowing him/her, https://www.strava.com/athletes/152873 , that's 20k.kms that's just from time I've been using strava. As far as I'm concerned ive owned all types of bikes expect titanium. And a good bike can go a long way for serious cycling. You may disagree that's your call but it doesn't make you right, neither does it give you to personally call out on people's experience if they differ from your opinion. Your tone makes me feel you're a 'I know it all' kinda person, but never presume others know less. That's my only advice to you. As far as those who are serious about discussing cycling in general will continue to do so without personal mudslinging.