Jahaan panna tusii great ho, Maafi kubul karo. Why the name is in red ink, u mean u are angry (sorry for been a shit head, which i am) Takecare buddy

Araey...no offence dear friend!!! That's the standards I follow, don't believe me? Click any of the link of CBR 250R FAQ links in my signature & see how I've quoted other members

Chalo...I'll make an exception for you; will edit the above post...if that makes you happy

Just kidding brother. I know, i have read your CBR250R FAQ'S (great one)

Not Exactly Aargee, what am I trying to tell you is if such tuning giants like "AMS Performance" or "Under ground tuning" have blew up so...many of their GTR's to at least make a drag world record attempt, how many of them in India are ready to take up tuning like that, blowing their own set-up's melting the money from their accounts to figure out a reliable customer friendly set-up that can be fast too? If the answer to the tuner's attampts is No, then the mistake is definitely on the buyers side. Agree Aargee?

How many proofs do you want? If you understand or try to you can see this, "Yamaha doesn't say anywhere that they recommend Daytona Kit for Racing purposes". What they do is Market a product that is done by a reputed Daytona & insert it in track days. Ever wondered if Yamaha themselves are recommending like you said, why aren't they giving a warranty for performance parts that costs as much as half of the bike??

Also adding to that, if it is recommended or Manufactured by Yamaha themselves it would be named as GYTR (Genuine Yamaha Technology Racing accessories)

Thanks.

True! But Dream and Focus is something which makes man go mad as HarishK went!...lol
No offence please HarishK.

I had asked same question to Harish why is he sepending "Money - Time - effort- Results (Pass/Fail)- Most imp Rampping his own stock engine"
why don't he go ahead and buy a new CBR ABS for 2.10L which would be anytime the best bike what ever he mods out and company warranty and SVC care!!

And he answered : He is in love with R15, R15 has the best Handling/Stability and Braking which CBR don't have!! CBR has power/Speed and comfort!!

I thought for this answer and he was right!! This is all about feeling! HarishK feels it so doing it!! We don't or once then we will buy a Datona or Catch HarishK if he succeeds...lol...

with my abysmal ignorance ,which needs constant reminder of it's level, I seem to be the most blessed. Praise the Lord for his benevolence and grace in keeping me at this level....so I can learn further,and share

I would agree more than one hundred percent!!!

Performance tuning is a serious business & personally I believe it's even very early stage to reach in India; from a tuner's perspective, they invest so much of money, work hard & serious, but then a bloke appears out of no where who's keen on 100 Kmpl at 200 Kmph

Over a period of time, the tuner also looses interest as he needs his capitals to pay off (no one can stay at loss for ever) & in a market like India, there's very little room for improving upon the foundational performance mod.

Another joker will appear & will force the tuner to carry out the work for what he's paying whereas it has to be ideally the other way!!! It's like saying, dai, you do the performance mod for Rs 3K & not to mention the 10000 questions he asks!!!

I'm not blaming anyone here, but to state that, this is the kind of market we have in India; quite sad truth. Frustrated with all this, I started to believe firmly that, there're no reliable mod; even if there's one, the gains will not be more than 10-15 percent, this means, a 30 Bhp motor makes worst case 34.5bhp!!!

Also when K&N, XYZ, XXX & nameless Free flow filters can sell so much among the biker's and the installed ones claiming heavy Bhp increase after installing the filters swearing by the throaty constipated sound not considering the leaning of their mixture, even you, myself & my uncle can sell performance parts & there will still be buyers..

P.S. let alone the Iridium plugs & Spit Fire cables..they are different jokes again

At least no one from India!! Here all will practise on other bikes and very few on their own!!

But i think if a Tuner is so good then i guess till now it should have been a Hit and Success !! It should have a great good stories than horror here!!
I am happy with that rather than trying from someone else, where i am scared or run for parts or get a blown engine or going mad!!

BTW i think rather than people getting fit themselve or get couriered why then don't take their bike to Tuner's Garage and get the kits fitted?? So that if there are any parts missing or not fitting then Tuner will take the head pain!! rather than customer, this is really insane, pay and get tensed ...ROFL!!!!

I think all ECU realted bikes should be nicely tested in Tuners garage for at least 1 week and later it should be given to owners!!

This is at least reduce the chances of getting ECU fired or engine blown!!

+1. No idea why this is not followed. Tune the bike, test it and give a guarantee like - this bike is guaranteed to make xx bhp on the dyno, or will clear 0-100 under xx secs.

Instead what Joel does is plonk the parts, rev the engine a bit and hand over. Not even a test ride by anyone. Heck even if you rebuild the engine at SVC, they will take a test ride after the work is done.

Not only major engine works, but even small handle alignment or FI fitting they ask us to ride and check, if there are any issues then they are ready to get it resolved.

Even Customer are fool they don't say Tuner, you keep my bike check it and give me later after 1 week???

Basically no new tuner would take this pain to keep a bike or test it for 1 week, if he is getting business then it is simple than you buy it, fit it and forget it!!

But once that Tuner get stable on R&D then they will surely do it, becuase they would know there won't be any problem!! And he will put a Disclaimer: After modifying you have to keep the bike here for xyZ days so that we can have a close look!! If not then customer are to be blamed!!

Actually Dual Disc and i sure accept that we should buy a big bike rather than modifying it!!

i watched in TV in other countries Tuners are more focus on one product with good reliability and once that is stable they start R&D for next product.

Well Said, this is what I am trying to point out and get isolated from a potential crowd. The end result after a few thousand kms off the investment is simply not worth the hype given. A modified 165CC bike needs a lot of care than a stock bike and takes a toll on maintainence as well. Worst case if you blow up the engine you got to rebuild the engine along with the other components which costs a fortune.

+1, The Daytona kit is claimed to give a bump of 30% on the overall power, which is anytime relaible, coz its promoted by Yamaha. But one issue I found with Daytona kit is that its strongly desgined for track use and on streets its not possible to enjoy the power band.

Been reading through this thread and its quite sad to see how this has developed. A lot of you guys are definately just bashing Joel. Now I am not a customer of Joel and most probably never will however I can understand why he isn't posting much on this thread. I actually feel this thread would have made him tired of visiting XBhp.

Fact is I understand you guys are upset. You have invested a large amount of money and feel cheated or frustrated. Thats fine, it gives you guys the right to vent and this is a public forum so hey, vent away.

What I don't understand it two things.

1. Why aren't any bikers who are happy with this product mentioning anything on this thread. If Joel has 100 happy customers and 2 un-happy ones post 5 times a day on this it lands up looking like all his customers are unhappy.
2. Whay are bikers who have not used his products mentioning these many negative comments.

While you guys man not feel this, especially HarishK your comments are very rude and you just don't seem to accept this or see it. And to top it off you actually report others to moderators.

This is very childish. Everyone not affected by Joels mods seriously need to take a chill pill and try to open civilized discussions. If the comments from eveyone posting is always on attack mode I won't be surprised if Joel comes on and posts in attack mode as well.

"The Big Bore" - A Story about an R15 getting tuned.

^^^ it's not that satisfied customers have not said anything. It's just that the discussions don't stay civil and it becomes ugly and rude. The satisfied ones are accused of fanboism and trying to sell and market Joel's parts. Have been personally called names by someone on this thread for just asking a technical question. People seem to forget their manners and seem to think that the louder they shout and more agressive they are, the more RIGHT they are. Who in their right mind wants to 'argue' with them? The satisfied ones would rather enjoy their ride then get into such arguments.

Voodoo God, abhimanyu31 both well said. Both have valid points.

It wouldn't have mattered who the tuner was, Sadly in this case it was RC.
Joels reputation for building strong (I wouldn't call them bulletproof, You will need expensive aftermarket internals that are simply not available) engines is still great.

Though currently there are not many tuners/modifiers out there who can do what he does. Joel could have built a 200hp 165cc engine and the engine explodes after 200km and people will still be unhappy, Others will be having a blast and lining up to rebuild it again.
We all need to understand Anytime we modify a engine, No matter how insignificant the modification is we reduce engine life.
If you don't want to run the risk of shortened engine life then leave it stock, If you can't afford to rebuilt it after 5k, 10k then leave it stock.

We all need to remember, What works on the race track most likely not work on the street. The speeds, throttle and brake application are so vastly different on the track Vs your ride to the office/yard each day.
A engine just needs to last practise, qualifying and race distance. Basically its a sprint motor, These are different to endurance Le Mans 24hr type races, Drag engines and again vastly different to Rally type races. Engine blocks are the same, The ring materials however will be different along with the ring endgaps, Piston to wall clearances, crank clearances etc. Not to mention the tune will be different. Race motor will have higher HP whereas the Endurance will have slight de-tuning for increased reliability, Drag will be tuned to max hp and it won't matter if the engine dies at the end of the run.


The point about the tuner keeping the bike for 1 week is, I'm sorry to say ridiculous.
If that was the case then the cost of tuning will increase as the tuner should add 7 extra days of tuning to the cost. Who will be willing to pay that? Where will you store the bikes?
Tuning is performed on the Dyno, Then a few test rides to tweek a few final adjustments to take into account wind, drag, rolling resistance etc and hand it back to the customer.
The job of the tuner is to get the engine working at its optimum. Locking the ecu is recommended so other people cannot change the settings and potentially damage the motor. Tuners can be mechanics but not all mechanics are tuners.

As for the failed RC build I think we are not going to be able to find out anything else, Its just the same points brought up over and over. He said, someone else said etc.