no.. Mine was tvs flame single plug model

Twin spark works...and its not a gimmick... And the triple spark is to reduce pollution...and the 200ns usesthe smallest catalytic converter on any indian bike...much much smaller than duke...which uses the same engine that too with fi... And i was laughing while reading mountain's comment about crap engineers... So the same crap engineers once made the pulsar 220 dts-fi which didn't have any catalytic converter at all and passed the puc with flying colors... No offence here butif they really were crap then yamaha and honda should be having the crappiest engineers coz the r15 and cbr with fi and single plug needs to have cat con to pass emissions...
(mountain g i still didn't get the answer to this...asking you coz you are experienced)

At the risk of straying even further from the topic, what I was saying was that I didn't think three sparkplugs were necessary. Others had pointed out that the triple-plug design was supposedly to create the cleanest burn possible, so the engine produced as little emissions as possible.

My hypothetical statement was that if the Bajaj engineers really couldn't get a clean burn in such a small combustion chamber, one that was very open with no unusual obstructions, with anything less than three spark plugs (which also, as noted elsewhere, dramatically increases the complexity of the engine) then they weren't good engineers (note that I do not actually think they are not good engineers, and I do not think they can't get proper combustion; read on); plenty of folks have pointed out the benefits of twin-plug designs, which I do not dispute. A twin-plug head would, I am certain, be more than sufficient to produce the requisite low emissions. The "low emissions/clean burn" idea is a cover for the real reason for the triple-plug.

As such, and given what the NS200 is supposed to be for Bajaj, I contend that the triple-plug engine is really nothing more than a marketing gimmick to try to increase the "wow" factor (especially since the bike is so unremarkable otherwise). As pointed out, the bike does have a catalytic converter, so the need for such a clean burn in the cylinder is greatly reduced. I believe the reason it is so small, in comparison to the cat on the Duke, is that the Duke's cat is a high-flow/low restriction cat, where the NS has an ordinary (and probably less advanced) cat.

And regarding the Pulsar 220 and emissions, I would posit that the emissions standards are probably quite low, and that with careful tuning, these bikes would pass without either multi-plug setups or cats. The reason for the added tech is future-proofing the design against the eventuality of stricter standards in the future, as well as international sales to places like the EU. As an example, at various times when I was younger, I owned a motley assortment of older vehicles, but kept them in good tune, and although many were of 1970s-vintage, all were able to get past US standards for 1990s-era vehicles easily.

I'm not sure, how an ownership thread has gone so OT. However, what i'm more surprised in the fact that we defending our egos on machines, which are siblings.

First of all, as far as I know, the third spark plug is there in NS to replace the Cat Con, which is quiet costly, hence lot of price reduction.

KTM is no doubt is way ahead of 200NS, in terms everything sans cornering ability. One pays 40K, which still is a steal considering you get one of the best equipped bikes in the country today. Right from the Steel Braided Disc brake hoses, to WS USD forks up front to almost every bit.

However - Bajaj Engineers are not idiots! Pulsar is made to be a cost effective option for people looking for a overall good bike. KTM and Bajaj are partners, not only collaborators.

Duke owners please don't forget, it's Bajaj which has bought KTM to Indian shores, and made it so affordable.

No denying the fact, the KTM is better than a P200NS, even with a single spark plug. It's all about economies of scale. Bajaj puts SOHC VS DOHC to cut costs, so puts 3 spark plug to slightly offset the performance hit and still keeps the cost affordable for an average joe.

I believe, 200 NS is more efficient but only because of taller gearing, while compromising on the neck jerking acceleration offered by the Duke.

All Duke and 200NS owners should be competing with other manufacturers than bashing each other!

+1 Rahul bro

Why bashing each other? Atleast we (NS & Duke) owners share *somewhat* same engine. At-least in look of the engine

So guys, please stop this. Going gross OT.

Ok, The Mountain, I get your point now. Actually, Bajaj have been pretty truthful, in saying that its a large bore block (72mm) which did affect the combustion in twin spark setup, and this has been one of the reasons, why they got a 3 spark plug head. So, in a way, they admit the topic you're raising.

As far as I'm concerned, if D3Si gives good merits, without significant demerits, then the engineers are good. Simple. Results speak for themselves is what I believe in.


And there's no doubt about the More Premium tag goes to the Duke. Absolutely.
Duke is lighter, faster, having a premium setup like the Inverted Forks, etc. And for a similar engine, there is a good difference in the Power to Weight Ratio too.

Guys, let's get back to the topic...

Three plugs do not win you customers; they win you more critics. From the techno savvy to the utterly low down laymen, no one has liked the idea of three plugs..ergo, the logic of 3 plugs being used as a marketing gimmick is void.

Someone quoted western technology to be superior. That statement actually shows immaturity and lots more that I cannot write on this forum.

Comparing companies that have an operational advantage of almost 50+ years cannot be compared with some company that does in-house engines, learns from the mistakes and refines the same.

Check the establishment years of a couple of them who can extract performance, refinement, efficiency and reliability from even half a plug (ok...a single plug)
Honda - 1948
Kawasaki - 1896
Yamaha - 1887
Suzuki - 1909
Ducati - 1926
KTM - 1934


Where does Bajaj stand? First Pulsar was released in 2000-2001. One must note that most of the companies above did not start the best possible way and they had to fight it out in native and foreign markets. Perhaps Bajaj Auto is going through that phase and maybe they do deserve a little bit of credit for this.

Please note that I am not paid by any company to write for them. Just that maybe we expect a bit too much and probably illogically. At least two Indian companies have tried to experiment and do something instead of the typical sticker jobs that some others.

On a more analytical note, My question is, which technology is being talked about? If it is internal combustion, then it is not a hidden technology nor is it a confidential formula. The issue here is with deriving the maximum out of the available resources; something that companies listed above can do the best. Why one may ask? It's racing that improves the breed. period.

Now can we treat this as the last post on this topic and stay true to this thread?
@Mods: Sorry for the OT. You can delete this post if you like.

thank you sir

The Last OT

With all the fight going on between the brotherly siblings, I think this article by owr very own @Payeng Sir, will bring an end to it. If any further debate is still on, then there must b separate thread.
DTS-i Triple Spark Engine: Is it just a Marketing Gimmick | Bike Chronicles of India

Its true that this thread has a few people who are capable of getting sensitive and start taking it all on themselves when there is any criticism about the bike. They get more angry and offended than those guys who manufactured the bike.
It is absolutely unnecessary as its not them who are being accused or condemned here. They get into a defensive mode.
Plus point though is - The thread is always high voltage and hence peppy .

Bro, its not that dukers are being cheated. Also, the engine of NS and duke isnt the same. However, as I said, it is also true that with the moment some niggle or a minus is pointed out about the bike, some of them start fuming and spewing fire .

IMO, neither the critics should be too enthusiastic/biased trying to show the bads about the bikes, nor should the owners be overly possessive or sensitive.

Guys...I've been following this thread since a long time now...
I almost made up my mind on getting the NS 200 for myself...but out of nowhere...my dad became over generous & told me that we can stretch the budget to 1.3 lacs...
Now, I am confused between which bike to get for myself :
-The NS or
-The DuKe

I have only ONE question :
Is DuKe worth the premium over P 200 NS ?

Also I wound like to mention that I'm satisfied with the performance of the 200 NS , but I don't like the way it looks...I mean , it doesn't appeal me that much ( I have NOT yet seen this bike in person though , but at least it doesn't appeal me that much in the pics...)

I'll be keeping this bike for a long time of around 5-6 years , or maybe even more...please assist me with this by providing me with an answer and also (if you can...) explain me the reason behind your answer.

Thank You.

i was in a similar situation .. well according to me , ns is for people who cant buy duke ..ride both ns and duke back to back ..there is no point in buying ns if you are able to buy duke .. i hope this ends your confusion in a simple way ..

Yeah...I saw your posts in there...Thanks for the response mate...

There are people who might buy NS for its pillion seat. (They might have a pillion rider many times when they ride) There are also many whose prime motive would be commuting and once in a while speeding through the highways. Such guys will prefer NS. On the other hand those who want the bike purely for thrill, speed and fun would prefer Duke.

Thus your judgemental statement - "those who cannot buy Duke will buy NS" is pretty immature and nonsensical if I may say! There are many guys in these ownership threads who already own super bikes (or have owned them in the past) and yet buy bikes like Duke/NS or whatever. You have made a world of bikes that has NS and Duke. The world ends for you there. In reality, it is not so.

i was only speaking about these two bikes and hence that statement .. regarding the rear seat of duke , all my friends (both males and females) told me that it is way better than my previous fz .. they just get scared as they get thrown backwards while accelerating .. no problems if they are holding the rider .