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  • #61
    Originally posted by nishant.sukharia View Post
    Guys...I've been following this thread since a long time now...
    I almost made up my mind on getting the NS 200 for myself...but out of nowhere...my dad became over generous & told me that we can stretch the budget to 1.3 lacs...
    Now, I am confused between which bike to get for myself :
    -The NS or
    -The DuKe

    I have only ONE question :
    Is DuKe worth the premium over P 200 NS ?

    Also I wound like to mention that I'm satisfied with the performance of the 200 NS , but I don't like the way it looks...I mean , it doesn't appeal me that much ( I have NOT yet seen this bike in person though , but at least it doesn't appeal me that much in the pics...)

    I'll be keeping this bike for a long time of around 5-6 years , or maybe even more...please assist me with this by providing me with an answer and also (if you can...) explain me the reason behind your answer.

    Thank You.
    Well nishant this is a duke ownership thread.please post your query in what bike section as i did and you will definately get prompt replies.what you will get here is how duke is better and then some pulsar owner will repl how pulsar is better over duke.
    @others- please dont start again.
    @mods- please please please make a sticky thread in whatbike section for duke or pulsar.really gets irritating to read 3-4 pages of pulsar vs duke in ownership thread.
    Motorcycling heals, big time...

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
      Well nishant this is a duke ownership thread.please post your query in what bike section as i did and you will definately get prompt replies.what you will get here is how duke is better and then some pulsar owner will repl how pulsar is better over duke.
      @others- please dont start again.
      @mods- please please please make a sticky thread in whatbike section for duke or pulsar.really gets irritating to read 3-4 pages of pulsar vs duke in ownership thread.
      Take it easy dude. These threads (NS and Duke) have been comparison threads as well. KTM thread has also been a smoke emission thread. (the moment someone points out a negative in the bike, some of the owners start emitting fumes there ). Its a part and parcel of the business.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
        i was in a similar situation .. well according to me , ns is for people who cant buy duke ..ride both ns and duke back to back ..there is no point in buying ns if you are able to buy duke .. i hope this ends your confusion in a simple way ..
        Why again? Why do you make such illogical conclusions?

        200NS are two different bikes with different character. There are many people, who find NS more appealing over Duke. Duke is the worth money, but there are many reasons why people will prefer NS over duke.
        Been There, Done That; Better!

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        • #64
          Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
          Why again? Why do you make such illogical conclusions?

          200NS are two different bikes with different character. There are many people, who find NS more appealing over Duke. Duke is the worth money, but there are many reasons why people will prefer NS over duke.
          I have been telling this to people buddy but this is a notion with some. I had told in the past that most people who will be willing to spend a lakh on NS wont become bankrupted shelling out another 0.4 lakhs. Still, some dudes either want to justify their choice or somehow want to prove that they are an elite and a unique lot. Result is - telling people owning (or going to own) any other bike- NS or whatever - 'you are buying another bike cuz you cannot buy duke'. . Funny, but true.

          It might not look much different if a Ninja owner will come here and say - 'you buying a duke or a pulsar etc. cuz you cant buy a Ninja' and then an R6 or an R1 owner will say something similar to a Ninja owner.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Doga View Post
            Every morning I open this thread to find even more garbage than the morning before!!
            Bhai logo. My sincere request to all of you, please try to keep this thread clean. A bit of banter, healthy comparos, short/even long 'impression-write ups' of other bikes is ok too. But not this. People bickering on petty issues and who's bike is the best.
            We can't stop non owners from commenting here. In fact that will defeat the purpose of free flow of information between forum members, owners, non owners alike. But what we can and should do is ignore the odd 'incitement attempts' and snide remarks about us/our bikes. The moment we respond, it only adds to their glee.
            So guys please let us try to keep this thread informative and read worthy.
            +1.
            We should be matured enough to ignore the odd 'incitement attempts' and snide remarks about us/our bikes
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            • #66
              Originally posted by ASSASSIN07 View Post
              Totally Agree!
              Looks like the FB page is more informative than XBHP
              I was going through some surveys and found these
              1. S1

              2. S2

              This gives a pretty good idea of how the bikes are positioned in the mind of consumers.

              Personally, I would not like the Duke to be VFM for everyone . Thats where the differentiation will come.
              Infact, there are tangible & intangible benefits for owning a non VFM bike .
              Differentiation comes only when you buy a bike that one in a lakh can buy, and not when tens of people right around your society buy.
              Having said that, I am not advocating the concept of showing the 'difference' or something on the basis of buying a bike that others cannot.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by extremerocker00
                As to my messages, or even the ID getting deleted from the thread/forum, does it look like I care?
                @extremerocker, what pacifies you, a jaadu ki jhappi????
                @mods - guess you found the correct person....
                Motorcycling heals, big time...

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                • #68
                  Last edited by rahuldevnath; 07-31-2012, 10:07 PM.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
                    Finally when a proper thread is there, let me post a very important post regarding Duke Vs 200NS.

                    So why would anybody choose the Pulsar200NS over Duke? Here we go..


                    (1) Fuel Efficiency - Pulsar 200NS is more fuel efficient (may not be a huge difference, but the taller gearing helps P200NS to be more fuel efficient.

                    Disagreed: There is something called consistency interms of gas mileage delivery on FI and thats one main reason why FI is ruling currently over the outdated carb. Remember even Bajaj tried it once. When ridden alike both the bike should return more or less the same efficiency if ridden the same way, while the Duke can promise consistency over NS for years.


                    (2) Gradual Acceleration - Acceleration is spread over the entire RPM range. Unlike the neck jerking acceleration of Duke, 200NS’s power build up is gradual, something which some people will prefer.

                    Disagreed: Duke is capable of hitting the rev limiter in all gears in absolute stock condition, there is no blind spot in the rev range that is flat while accelerating the Duke to rev limiter in any gear. One person I knew has remapped his Duke's ecu with a piggy back unit to set the rev limiter at 12KRPM and the bike still hits the rev limiter in 6th gear.

                    (3) Looks – Ok this one is subjective, but many find the “minimal” look to be odd, even though Duke is a handsome and mean looking bike.

                    You like it or not the Duke wins here (Majority rules)

                    (4) Rider / Pillion Comfort- One the main reason why at the last moment I went for 200NS over Duke; Pillion seating is quit restricted.

                    Agreed - But its not the Pillion seating posture that makes the difference its just the foam on the seat. There are "N" number of seat foam solutions to correct this in Duke at a cost of 200Rs

                    (5) Frame – Pulsar 200NS comes with Perimeter frame, which is known for its cornering ability. Duke’s trellis is also good at cornering but perimeter is the leader here.

                    Disagreed: Perimeter frame is for tracks and Trellis is for streets. The Trellis wins hands down in the street vs the Perimeter in a basic parameter called weight. Do some researches on 600+CC street bikes and why they don't have Perimeter frame? The Duke is extremely flick-able at your command, while the 200NS feels more responsible and needs more confidence to do the job compared to Duke.


                    (6) Cost Benefits – Apart from being whopping 40K cheaper than Duke, the spares and maintenance will also be cheaper for 200NS, and hence lower cost of ownership.

                    Disagreed: You are comparing Apples and oranges and even you declare P200NS as an apple then there are different varieties in apples too. You pay 40K more on Duke you get a product worth 40K more. Simple example, both RTR and R15 use the same Minda instrument cluster, RTR's costs less and R15's costs more. Coz there the R15s graded 1st class while RTR's aren't. I knew this at a local bike parts shop which sells both grades of Minda cluster. Also I Checked the spares cost for Duke 200 in the ownership thread its much much cheaper than most 150CC bikes.

                    (7) FI Vs Carb – Depends on how you look at it. If you are staying in small towns or rural areas or do a lot of touring, a carburetted bike is preferred. It’s simple, can take bad fuel, can be easily repaired and does not require battery. In case of total battery discharge, DUKE can’t be push started, whereas P200NS can! (Correct me if I’m wrong)

                    Completely Disagreed: Thats a typical point from India. Can we go to Yamaha R15/FZ ownership thread and see how many owners are pushing their bikes daily? If your battery is losing life you will know it at the beginning stage itself. Also 80% of India is Rural population and there are FI bikes owners everywhere, I am not sure how many ppl had issues with ZMR,R15. My point is when there is 0 maintenance assured by a technology, who cares if its runs in rural or urban. Also can you run your bike with BAD FUEL, are you sure?

                    (8) Engine Smoothness – Duke is meant to be an all an out performance machine, a so is its engine. On long duration runs, 200NS’s engine will slightly lesser strained.

                    Disagreed: What makes you think so? Theoretically to compete and run as like the Duke the P200NS engine should be strained.

                    These are few of things which I considered before changing my decision to buy a P200NS over Duke. There are of course way more reason to choose Duke over 200NS but I felt this was important to be outlined.

                    This above post is totally misleading, My answers in blue font. There isn't one strong point where the P200NS takes down the Duke 200. (Cost isn't all, coz a CBR150 retails at 1.3+ lacs and we all know whats in it and why its priced that way)

                    As like someone said earlier, if you cannot afford for a Duke pick the NS. This is the same strategy Bajaj follows from the times of Ninja 250. P200NS is a lower priced variant of Duke 200 with some technology removed and different component quality (means mostly all P200NS parts are sourced locally)
                    Last edited by HarishK; 08-01-2012, 01:35 AM.
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                    • #70
                      Well what can I say, this thread is a tribute to Bajaj. They co-developed & manufacturing Duke 200 and developed P200NS in-house and in this thread people are debating P200NS vs Duke200. Understandably so I think these are the two best street bikes in the country at the moment. I don't think anyone will disagree to that.

                      Coming to which one depends on what's your requirement. From various reviews, there are no significant -ves on Duke 200. People could only point out tiny pillion seat & low fuel tank capacity. P200NS got equally good reviews which covers even the above mentioned tiny -ves of Duke. But remember Duke 200 has premium equipment on offer FI, USD front suspension, good tires, aluminium swing arm. When you actually look at the equipment on offer even Duke 200 is good vfm. So, I will not buy the logic that P200NS is more vfm over Duke 200. Both are equally VFM. I feel one needs to ride these bikes to understand which one suits them.

                      As far as the arguments on triple spark technology goes, there is a good article on Payeng's blog. Please go read it.

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                      • #71
                        Pulsar vs ktm is chalk vs cheese or apples vs oranges. Though both bikes are naked, both have same engine bases and both are manufactured by bajaj. Thats where the similarity ends. I am a duke 200 owner and have ridden pulsar also.so heres my take.hope it helps to prospective buyers.
                        Well if you ride with a pillion then go for the ns.really comfortable rear seat.
                        If you are for biking, fun, thrill then go for the duke. But yeah your pillion will be shit scared because of the neck jerking acceleration and will also cuss you in monsoons.But you can mod the seat always.
                        Ns is a silent performer.will reach 100 and more without grabbing attention.gradual linear acceleration all the way.duke is a street scorcher.It announces your arrival even at 40kmph.at anything above 6000 rpm, people are watching you.attention seeker- you bet. I still get looks and questions from passerbys even after owning duke for 3 months now. Pulsar will fade away slowly coz there are many many people opting for it.Its a good thing to be common, so is to be exclusive.spares of both bikes are cheap.very very cheap. My duke is giving me a mileage of 30-42. Pulsar guys are also quoting in same range. So basically it boils down to your needs and your budget. Duke is outright fun while pulsar is mature/silent killer.
                        .both are very good bikes with a different target group so please dont start fighting here as to which bike is best.Feel free to post any queries w.r.t pulsar or duke here.will be glad to answer
                        Motorcycling heals, big time...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
                          Pulsar vs ktm is chalk vs cheese or apples vs oranges. Though both bikes are naked, both have same engine bases and both are manufactured by bajaj. Thats where the similarity ends. I am a duke 200 owner and have ridden pulsar also.so heres my take.hope it helps to prospective buyers.

                          Well if you ride with a pillion then go for the ns.really comfortable rear seat. If you are for biking, fun, thrill then go for the duke. But yeah your pillion will be shit scared because of the neck jerking acceleration and will also cuss you in monsoons.But you can mod the seat always.

                          Ns is a silent performer.will reach 100 and more without grabbing attention.gradual linear acceleration all the way.duke is a street scorcher.It announces your arrival even at 40kmph.at anything above 6000 rpm, people are watching you.attention seeker- you bet. I still get looks and questions from passerbys even after owning duke for 3 months now. Pulsar will fade away slowly coz there are many many people opting for it.Its a good thing to be common, so is to be exclusive.spares of both bikes are cheap.very very cheap. My duke is giving me a mileage of 30-42. Pulsar guys are also quoting in same range. So basically it boils down to your needs and your budget. Duke is outright fun while pulsar is mature/silent killer..

                          Both are very good bikes with a different target group so please dont start fighting here as to which bike is best.Feel free to post any queries w.r.t pulsar or duke here.will be glad to answer

                          Perfectly put.



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                          • #73
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                            • #74
                              Well said !!

                              Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
                              Pulsar vs ktm is chalk vs cheese or apples vs oranges. Though both bikes are naked, both have same engine bases and both are manufactured by bajaj. Thats where the similarity ends. I am a duke 200 owner and have ridden pulsar also.so heres my take.hope it helps to prospective buyers.
                              Well if you ride with a pillion then go for the ns.really comfortable rear seat.
                              If you are for biking, fun, thrill then go for the duke. But yeah your pillion will be shit scared because of the neck jerking acceleration and will also cuss you in monsoons.But you can mod the seat always.
                              Ns is a silent performer.will reach 100 and more without grabbing attention.gradual linear acceleration all the way.duke is a street scorcher.It announces your arrival even at 40kmph.at anything above 6000 rpm, people are watching you.attention seeker- you bet. I still get looks and questions from passerbys even after owning duke for 3 months now. Pulsar will fade away slowly coz there are many many people opting for it.Its a good thing to be common, so is to be exclusive.spares of both bikes are cheap.very very cheap. My duke is giving me a mileage of 30-42. Pulsar guys are also quoting in same range. So basically it boils down to your needs and your budget. Duke is outright fun while pulsar is mature/silent killer.
                              .both are very good bikes with a different target group so please dont start fighting here as to which bike is best.Feel free to post any queries w.r.t pulsar or duke here.will be glad to answer
                              Makes a lot of sense without single doubt of confusion!!
                              I am looking forward for duke!!

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                              • #75
                                (1) Fuel Efficiency
                                Disagreed: There is something called consistency interms of gas mileage delivery on FI and thats one main reason why FI is ruling currently over the outdated carb. Remember even Bajaj tried it once. When ridden alike both the bike should return more or less the same efficiency if ridden the same way, while the Duke can promise consistency over NS for years.

                                If you want to change the laws of engineering be my guest. Both Bajaj and TVS have experimented with FI, and then returned back to Carbs. FI is superior tech, no doubt. But a Pulsar 220FI is less efficient than Carb 220, even after years of use. Pulsar's taller gearing has to aid in fuel efficiency, however less.
                                SO?? Both bikes have different character, people can choose whatever they prefer!
                                Who says?? How do you make the majority?

                                (4) Rider / Pillion Comfort- One the main reason why at the last moment I went for 200NS over Duke; Pillion seating is quit restricted.

                                Agreed - But its not the Pillion seating posture that makes the difference its just the foam on the seat. There are "N" number of seat foam solutions to correct this in Duke at a cost of 200Rs

                                Not only cushioning, but the dimension are also different. Again, we are comparing stock bikes here. For me pillion comfort was important, and will be for many others.Is it? What exactly are you trying to say here? Why does Motogp bikes rely on perimeter frames? No doubt both are good, but when it comes cornering you can't beat a perimeter frame.I'm talking of total cost of ownership here. Duke parts will be costlier than that of 200NS. Its simply economies of scale. Somebody prefers to have a premium bike, with premium cost while some will look it the other way.
                                You keep disagreeing, but that doesn't change the fact. "That's typical point from India"? Unfortunately, we still live in India. Any technology can go bad. And in case of FI, injector cleaning is a regular maintainance job, which costs a lot, nothing with Carb as such. Just for your information, me and my friend did had a terrible time with his P220FI, which just failed start, 110kms from the city, and no one could do anything about it till we reached Bangalore.

                                At end, you mean to say, there can be no electrical failure in bike? The fact is Duke can't be push started without zero power, where as 200NS can! When touring in Leh, anything can happen, just because it doesn't usually doesn't mean it will never!
                                And yes, 200NS can take much inferior quality of fuel compares to Duke!
                                At 110Kmph, continuous all day run, which bike will be lesser strained?



                                Originally posted by HarishK View Post
                                This above post is totally misleading, My answers in blue font. There isn't one strong point where the P200NS takes down the Duke 200. (Cost isn't all, coz a CBR150 retails at 1.3+ lacs and we all know whats in it and why its priced that way)

                                As like someone said earlier, if you cannot afford for a Duke pick the NS. This is the same strategy Bajaj follows from the times of Ninja 250. P200NS is a lower priced variant of Duke 200 with some technology removed and different component quality (means mostly all P200NS parts are sourced locally)
                                Ya right, because someone can't afford a Duke so they go for 200NS. And because someone can't afford a CBR250 so they go for Duke, and then none of us can afford a car so we go for bikes.. What logic! Nonne points are misleading here BTW.

                                Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
                                Pulsar vs ktm is chalk vs cheese or apples vs oranges. Though both bikes are naked, both have same engine bases and both are manufactured by bajaj. Thats where the similarity ends. I am a duke 200 owner and have ridden pulsar also.so heres my take.hope it helps to prospective buyers.
                                Well if you ride with a pillion then go for the ns.really comfortable rear seat.
                                If you are for biking, fun, thrill then go for the duke. But yeah your pillion will be shit scared because of the neck jerking acceleration and will also cuss you in monsoons.But you can mod the seat always.
                                Ns is a silent performer.will reach 100 and more without grabbing attention.gradual linear acceleration all the way.duke is a street scorcher.It announces your arrival even at 40kmph.at anything above 6000 rpm, people are watching you.attention seeker- you bet. I still get looks and questions from passerbys even after owning duke for 3 months now. Pulsar will fade away slowly coz there are many many people opting for it.Its a good thing to be common, so is to be exclusive.spares of both bikes are cheap.very very cheap. My duke is giving me a mileage of 30-42. Pulsar guys are also quoting in same range. So basically it boils down to your needs and your budget. Duke is outright fun while pulsar is mature/silent killer.
                                .both are very good bikes with a different target group so please dont start fighting here as to which bike is best.Feel free to post any queries w.r.t pulsar or duke here.will be glad to answer

                                Rightly said, Aptly put!
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