Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Thanks mate for all your inputs , i got a call from Motozone, they have confirmed that the gauge was faulty. They tried the same test on another bike and the gauge was still giving out weird readings.

I will try and visit the SVC today itself and get the coneset checked as well as the compression test readings of a stock bike plus mine like you have suggested. One thing is for certain: i have lost significant amount of power after plonking the stock exhaust. Last night i tried a high speed run and my ride was refusing to go beyond 104 kmph at sitting position and 112 kmph when fully crouched.. whereas this was not the case when i was using Yoshi and Leo. The engine felt stressed and vibey, probably sturggling against the extra gases being generated and the backpressure being increased by a huge margin. So atleast in my case and to my understanding one thing is for sure, the stock exhaust is very restrictive and unlike popular belief it cannot be used with a 182cc BB kit to get the maximum performance atleast with the stock camshaft. I shall confirm the same by doing another round of video with the current set up and let the readers be the judge of the same.

I will try and get hold of the Leo Vince exhaust again and do another video to show the speed runs and overall gains over stock exhaust.
Motozone is finishing the stock replica exhaust real soon so i am impatiently waiting to try it out asap. Awaiting for the cam data to arrive so that i can start on with the revelation process and also shall reveal another interesting set of old threads which will show the real side of "Race Tooner's" (not tuner) story and how it all began. As always i would request Mods to help me keep the thread clean as whatever i post may be considered inflammatory or whistle blowing and don't want it to become another hate thread like we have witnessed in the past. Productive discussion is always a welcome here...

But more on this later..

Cheers,

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

If there is gas leak through the Gasket, then traces of oil will be seen immediately and over a period of time, the head will be leaking oil through the gasket..

Glad to know that it is the meter that is busted ..as expected.. The stock Mid Ship exhaust is restrictive due to the midship construction and if you cut out that part alone and weld in a straight tube of appropriate dia, your bike will perform better....of course if you like to keep the stock exhaust as such, then a well designed FFE will free your engine...
Looking at the some of the posts of race tuning, the race "Tooner" is actually causing a lot of heart breaks......It is the lack of awareness of owners which lead to this.
I hope your write ups will bring a clarity into the much misunderstood,and exploited field of hot rodding...

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Well i am not keen on doing any kind of cutting, experimentation and in the process damaging the stock exhaust. From the day i am very clear that all my stock parts shall be kept intact should for any reason this kit decides to take a plunge i have something to revert to and i would recommend the same thing to all others who are planning to opt for hot roding on FZ or any other bikes. It is a safety net and will help you save tons of money on parts should things decide to follow the path of "Murphy's law".

Sir it is an honest effort from my end to bring out information to the unsuspecting riders based on facts and figures and not just things in thin air. The "Race Tooner" has already done enough damage to a lot of unsuspecting riders probably not as nosey for data and information as i was... hence, the birth of this thread in an effort to correct the mistakes of my past and also help riders who are stuck with such kits to try and get a base to work on. Rest i shall leave it to the readers to read, analyse and decide what to make out of my write ups.

Cheers,

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Ya, that's true... was just wondering if there were any other possibilities...Shv18's bike must not have more that 5,000 kms on it with the rebuild so was wondering if rings could give out so soon. Thought it might be unlikely so was wondering what could be the other possibilities.

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

U got the bore replaced by raceconcepts or u had to purchase the whole kit again??
What happened to the previos kit installed??

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Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

You need to read the thread from page 1 my friend...

Cheers,

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Performance Racing Store. Two Brothers Racing Exhausts - Fz16 Full System Handcan


aaahooooyyy..................!!!!!

Regards,
Rohan

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Shiv18

Any updates on the Compression test results ??

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

You already have a Leo Vince. Thinking of changing?

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

But these cost a bomb

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

This is more expensive than the Yoshi i had tried on my bike.

I would be visiting the SVC on Monday as they are currently clogged with work due to the voluntary recall initiative taken by Yamaha for Ray scooters to fix some manufacturing defect. I shall try and post the details on the same day. As a safety and to be absolutely sure that the readings are correct, Motozone is also getting hold of another new compression testing unit to see if the results are consistent then we can be absolutely sure of the data.

Cheers,

Return of the Leo Vince Exhaust, 5th August 2013

Hi All,
Just an update i shall be plonking the Leo Vince Exhaust today to do the GoPro Video i had promised earlier. I will be also visiting the SVC workshop to get the compression test and the coneset replaced. So if the rain gods are merciful expect a long post along with a video.


Cheers,

Re: Return of the Leo Vince Exhaust, 5th August 2013

wish you good luck with rain, compression test ,and cone set change...

Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

Lol...NO...!!!


IMO:
This bike aint worth any mods further up...other than the exhaust & Free flow air filter...

rather buy a 2nd hand R15 or a totally new bike..

Regards,
Rohan

End Of RC Era, the truth and statutory warning for all noobs, 5th Aug, 2013

DISCLAIMER: I would like to apologise in advance to all the readers and the Mods as well for what is about to follow. This is not my normal nature to be so agressive when i do my usual write ups but i guess sometimes certain situation makes things unbearable and strong worded sentences end up coming out in the public. As i have mentioned many times earlier, all the write ups done so far are based on my personal experience only. Other riders may have had a different experience with the kit or the seller. So please spare me the axe and read this post only if you want to know " my story so far.. "


Hi All,

Today i finally made my way to the SVC in order to get the necessary work done. As my luck turns out their compression testing gauge also was non-functional. So i guess we have to wait for the actual data from the new compression gauge once Motozone guys get hold of it. Anyways, The SVC guys disassembled the whole front fork and the handlebar assembly to remove the old worn out coneset and and install new ones in place. As an exercise we also checked the front forks for rebound and for any signs of weakness but to my luck, they are working fine. below are the pictures of the same







Pic: 1,2 & 3 showing the whole process of removing the handlebar to remove the coneset.


While they were at it, we finally saw the death of the front brake shoes. I am happy to announce that my stock front disc brake pads finally lasted for 30,556 kms which personally to me is quite a record. We then installed a new set of front brake pads and as expected the first 150 kms i will have to break-in the pads to get a better bite out of them. I guess with the extra power and more braking required during the highway runs led to the early death of these brake pads, otherwise for city runs i guess the kms could have piled up slightly more.




Pic 4: Front brake pad worn out at 30,556 kms.

Regardless, right after i got in touch with the Motozone guys and we started re-installing the Leo Vince GP Corsa exhaust as i still have to do a GoPro video of a small speed run and also an exhaust note video i had promised you all earlier. Just for the heck of it, i decided to check the quantity of engine oil left inside the engine bay in order to see what is the condition of the 300V. To my shock we discovered that the oil level was slightly above the minimum mark. As all the Noob readers may recollect, i have so far done around 3,600 kms with this oil since after the run-in period. Now the only way so much oil has vanished from the engine bay is with the piston oil ring leaking leading to such a quick consumption of engine oil and as many may recollect FS oil unlike mineral oil doesnot give out smoke from the exhaust if such bleeding of oil is taking place inside the engine. So my guess it the overall compression right now will be somewhere in the range of 147 -150 psi compared to stock 174.045 psi which is way too low for a high compression set up. Though i shall reconfirm the accurate nos. once, we get hold of a compression tester and get the actual readings.





Pic 5: Oil level marked in red: as shown on my ride's engine oil dipstick which is at the lowest level.

I am sure had it been any other unsuspecting rider, our "Race Tooner" would have most likely blamed the user for not using oil/proper grade of oil/some other nonsense using technical terms in order to confuse the user and then offer him a new kit for free (Which for the record he takes the damaged kit from the user so that it can be replaced for free from the vendor he sources his parts from!! In short he is not losing anything out of his wallet unlike what he makes you believe!!) Again without doing any quality checks or measuring whether the piston supplied along with the new kit matches the bore size of the replacement kit. An unsuspecting rider would have continued to ride his bike without checking the engine oil before the service interval only to find himself stuck in the middle of nowhere with an engine seizure. I guess Just my luck and sharp eyes of these guys and many thanks to the constant advise i have received from gentlemen like PSR Ji & abhimanyu31 that helped me in understanding and detecting the tell tale signs before i ended up sharing the same fate as the poor guy who's ride's state of condition pics have been shared with you all.

So in short, today in a few moments i just saw all my hard earned money go up in flames under 3.6k kms (not including the run-in period thus bringing a grand total of 4,100 kms) thanks to the well known "Bullet proof, more reliable than stock, manufacturer's don't know jack; you don't know jack, it is all about tuning, dynos can be tweaked my kits are better, I AM THE RACE ENGINEER!! and god knows what other crap the seller pukes out of his mouth.." Big Bore's life since, the day i bought this wretched kit and installed it. But personally, even though i am really enraged at the moment, i don't have any regrets going for this route as i have learnt so much about a 4 stroke engines, inside out and how things have to work in precision, what a manufacturer makes an engine go through no matter how irrelevant or puny it may look to us, in order to make it reliable and functional in all conditions. Now all the riders have been a witness to it from page 1 regarding how the installation went and what steps were followed on my ride am i correct? So unless one still feels that that i am at fault and the kit is still "Bullet Proof" my dear friend you really need to read a lot of material discussed eons ago on this very forum itself.

Anyways, I immediately got the engine oil topped up and have been advised by the Motozone guys to keep an eye on the engine oil level till they can organise an alternative kit to this piece of hunk-a-junk! So for the sake of this community and my earlier promises made, i shall continue riding this BB kit but this time finishing certain tests till the moment i can get hold of a NiKaSil Bore. Most likely i will have to carry a pet bottle of Engine oil for constant topping up to ensure that my engine block doesn't start running without it.. call it a baby milk bottle if you like! So now all my long distance touring plans have gone for a toss thanks to this piece of junk! The Bullet Proof kit is now bullet riddled with promises and lies which were never going to be true

Regardless, Motozone will be giving me their ported head and mild lift camshaft to see what difference do i witness over stock and over the "Tailor Saab". I shall try and finish that test at the earliest as i really want to get rid of this kit as soon as possible before it does any harm to my beloved ride.

So just a small recap, based on my findings:

* The piston and the block are not manufactured or designed by the "Race Tooner", wrongly designed and the piston weight is on the wrong side.
* The Carburettor comes wrongly jetted from the seller. If the rider faces issue with the 29mm Carb thn the seller offers Semi Flat carburettor for out of this world performance by paying extra.
* The Stiffer Race Clutch Springs? Brushed and polished stock clutch springs which are sold to an unsuspecting customer for 2000-3000 INR in India. No gains whatsoever!
* Race Camshaft: Makes the engine vibes go crazy, valve train will go for a toss and the engine refinement is severely lost! Again not manufactured nor designed by the "Race Tooner". bought as a bulk from abroad.

Now for all those who feel that this is only limited to the Yamaha series bikes (R15 & FZ) and their Pulsars are safe, i would request all of you to kindly have a look at the pics below shared with me by another distressed user who went all the way from here to blore just to get the "Race Tooner's" kits installed by none other than the self acclaimed engineer. and the result after 500 kms is what follows in a series of pics:














Pics above: A Pulsar 230cc Kit tuned and installed at blore workshop by your's truly: "Race Tooner". The grand finale!! Life of the kit 562 kms post installation.

Initial conversation with the rider suggests:

* Crankshaft bent
* Conrod Damaged
* Valves severely damaged
* Internal engine gears severely damaged
* The bike will set him back by around 15 - 20k as per the initial estimate.

And for the record, the Pulsar kits are also not manufactured nor designed by the seller. they come from the South east Asian countries like those TDR kits.


Mr. "Race Tooner" if you are reading this, don't bother to offer me replacement kits and a genuine advice: don't ever plan to step in Mumbai ever!!.. there are a lot of people taken for a ride by your esteemed start up venture who would like to say hi to you personally!

Forgive me guys if i sounded very aggressive so far. But if you all are hungry for more i can also request riders to send me RTR, karizma pics and many others who have been touched by this "mythical creature" of race tracks.. but then i guess it would mean i am inadvertently turning this thread into another hate thread which is something i am always against. If at all my advice has any value or any weight,"AVOID THIS SELLER LIKE A PLAGUE!!"

Anyways, i did find out an old thread on xbhp itself where people were attempting to overbore and install kits on their own by trial and error method. Would like all the interested readers to go through this section and understand the words that came out of the "Race Tooner" and other senior riders regarding how they had collaboratively helped someone to achieve a fully functional system which if i am correct are still functional till today: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ierofx-84.html

So before this thread our seller had absolutely no clue about tuning nor how to control over compression, don't believe me read the thread! After this thread, our seller started offering the same 2nd hand information gyan to all the victims who had faced issues with the kits, without doing any claimed 20,000 kms of rigorous tests before selling it out. All the seller did was to wait and get enough orders to place a mass order from his vendor and sell it to you all without checking any of the bores properly!! Now for those of you who's bb kit are running fine, i wish you nothing but the very best and pray that nothing ever goes wrong. But to all newbies and anyone going for hot roding, Don't take anyone's word just on the basis of marketing gimmicks. There have been many who have fallen for this including your's truely!

Do proper research, there are many good and genuine tuning houses which can offer you the rightful plug and play kit and provide you the after sales service which i guess is not there in the dictionary of this seller.

Secondly from now, on anyone of you gentlemen who have paid for the kit and have not received it on the pretext of racing, please visit the websites of these race tracks in India:

1) Madras Motor Sports: Welcome | Madras Motor Sports Club
2) Kari Motor Speedway: Home Page
3) Buddh International Circuit: Welcome to Buddh International Circuit | Indian F1 Motor Sport | Jaypee Sports Motor Sport | Jaypee Sports International Motor Sport | F1 Indian GP Tickets

And do verify the racing calendar and if needed call up the contact nos. provided to confirm what kind of races are taking place during the time when you were supposed to receive the kit but due to race weekends you have not received the kits. Well, if there are none you have caught the seller by the @#lls. The last i heard, the seller had claimed that he is no more into bikes and only does car tune ups so you know how to catch the lies then.

Forgive me for being so shouty today.. i guess i had hit the rockbottom and lost my cool. I would request all esteemed riders not to get carried away by this post, but instead do research on their own and see what they have understood so far and what is the best way to go for such a route in the correct way. I have tried to provide you all what i have learned to the best of my knowledge... rest is for all of you to decide!

BTW this thread lives on, just that i shall stop posting any further reports regarding the RC kits from this moment unless asked for. I shall be reviewing the Motozone ported head with the mild lift camshaft and also provide you all a GoPro speed runs treat instead of plain words so that all esteemed riders can try and understand if there are actual gains from mods from a different tuning house. Eventually once, i get hold of the NiKaSil bore, i shall conduct an extensive test and provide you the data like i always have. Forgive me for not providing you the cam data, i am still waiting for it to arrive. The moment i get hold of it we shall try and have a productive discussion on the same.


Cheers,