Hi Rylan.

I always appreciate stalwart friends, and your "defence" of Joel's work looks nice and honest.
Your bike may be very nicely tuned as far as the RC camshaft is concerned and Joel re-doing it regularly. The fact remains, and has been reported on and again, tht this camshaft s noisy, the tappets nedeing regular adjustments, and you may not hear it with you RC-FFE as well as I do not with my Arrow muffler and my full face helmet on topof that, but it just needs a thousand km to loose the tappets adjustment and get the dstribution noisy again. Performance improvement?: I had my bike bored up to 205cc, then I got the RC camhaft. Improvement after having it: existing, but hardly noticeable (and I can call myself an experienced biker). What is noticeable is the longer cranking before start (not when cold) and the back-firing!.

Are you joking or totally inexperienced?

What is 180c instead of 153?: a few mm. extra bore! Very little and that should NOT cause any problem, although, of course, having a lifetime reduced compared to the stock bike....but maintenance plays a big role there!
Have you heard about these 350 cc. Yamaka strikers that are the devils of Bangkok? Do you know that the same Caterpillar engines can go from 400 to 1,800 hp, and they will still not "explode", even after hours of WOT!

Just one thing that intrigues me about this video: I count six gears! Am I the only one...???

Nothing fantastic you describe there, Rylan. Would yo have had nasty problems at only 10k km, that would have showed something extremely bad!
mine is over 8k. km with a 205 cc. setup. It's got power, you can take may word, but zero problem. Well: only what a good 200cc. engine can deliver, but a stock FZ is soooooo miserable in comparison: had a little race the other day with a stock one: we was far away in my rear view mirror in not time. Had another one with a 400c. Honda track bike, four valve head, etc : he would beat on first hundred meters, I would keep up on the next 100, and then be equal up to 80kmh....where I would of course leave him behind with his short gears. Not bad for a two valves 205cc! Tacho up to 9k rpm....and I do get to these revs again and again!

My top speed? I do not know! 125km seated (and I am "wide") is no problem, have touched 135 crouched....but had to brake! No good stretch of road around Saigon!

So, Rylan: nice to hear some friendly comments, also coming after quite some km, but you are dreaming my dear! What you have been able to observe is just the most normal of what a slightly tuned bike will give you. Beast?: get a real big, one, and you will know what power means!
Be careful, though!

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Really now, 6 gears?? Ur kiddin right.
Which sane person who claims to be "experienced" count 6 gears on an FZ. That is hilarious.

Where in my posts have I mentioned that I regularly retune my bike or let's say I regularly re adjust my tappets.
U call me "inexperienced", maybe yeah. But my Lord, it is better to be a li'l dumb than sorry.

Well, urs was 205cc right?? Did it go well the very first time?though its just "mere" 52cc more than stock.

And what is "fantastic" bout my description. I stated the facts. No ones to judge that mate.

Calling my ride a beast, there something called perspective about it.
So to assume that FZ is the only bike I've "ever" ridden? Intriguing!!!

Stalwart friends huh, What are u trying to insinuate mate? Do recollect that a few of ur post have been deleted before for "name calling". Please do refrain I'd advise.

And Luke, with all due respect. Don't u assume things about others. Yes, Joel is a good friend of mine. That doesn't mean I would deviate from the facts.
The facts are mentioned very clearly in my posts


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Hey Rylan,

Can see lots of your posts nowadays. If you had written this 6 months before then I would have thought twice of modding my bike. You even know how I was contacting you about the Fz-16 big-bore kit but lots of information was hidden. Especially the TPS tweaks and the cam noise.


Coming to the reliability part which you boast, it's great your kit has been reliable but the story is not fruitful for everyone like you. I have known atleast 5 people who got their kits seized within first 1500 kms. If you, Murali and Vishak are lucky guys then really you are blessed. I know even stock bikes get seized but it's one in many not like random.

So if your bike is reliable then it can't be set as benchmark. The fact is hotrodding is not a child job so I wish you people to be frank with noobs so that they are not dragged into pit unnecessarily and blame the tuner.

I was promised that my bike would behave exactly like stock after modding and I don't have to do anything except routine servicing just as what what you would have done with stock!

But what was the result? I had to open the engine head 5 times for one or other reason and for each time I opened, I had to shell enough money. The amount spent and the time consumed taking office leaves! And you know it's not easy to convince the mechanics for touching Joel's modded bikes. Ask Novice and he will tell you. Luckily I got a mechanic who knows Joel well else I would have messed up everything.

I had to source a simple screw myself knocking each and every shop like a beggar all over kerala. And only I know about the time and money spent and all the frustrations.

If anyone is very honest then it's only me. My aim is not to blame Joel but to be free and frank of what one can suffer with the addiction of hotrodding.

You can't guarantee that what happened to me can't happen to anyone. since you stay in b'lore so you have no problems because Joel is always there with you to take care of the modds but what about people who are 500 kms away?

My second kit is working fine but that can't be the benchmark of reliability. The fact is that if the kit is right it works else it will seize. It's not just me there are many people like me.

Now coming to the cam part. Vishak was saying that he could hear very little noise of the cam. Now he says he lives with sound. completely contradicting himself.

What I wanted to sum up is let's not get into war of words here. What happened to me is true and what happened to you all is true. My aim is to make people understand that hotrodding is not a child play and what I wrote is exactly true and nobody can question that. A new bike just 3000 km old is given for modding and what else you want.

Let's be wise. If your bike is running great and I'm very proud of you and Joel. My second kit is running fine and I'm very thankful to Joel for that but what happened to me with the first kit and also the tuning issues (which I'm still facing) can't be forgotten and will be revealed for the benefit of all bikers.

Those who are really real can't be stopped by anyone. If Joel would have told me all the things about the jets, camsound, tps thing then this thread wouldn't have gone this far. Anyways I request people to go through the threads of Novice and mine and then make a decision.

What has happened to me may not happen with other people but it's just for information and caution.

Have been doing the calling hima nd emailing him for the past 2 months
I hope its time for Joel to do the needful rather than giving false promises

Re: The 180cc Big Bore - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

Hey Rohan,

Tbh, there was no hidden information and I've been really busy. I told you what I knew mate. Hell, i didn't know anything about the TPS or any technical aspects of the engine. I learnt a lot in the process courtesy Joel, Luke,Mike, Abhimanyu, Shv (the list goes on)
I tried to put up what best I could mate
Even if it was 6 months before I would have told you the same more or less.
I can totally understand the predicament you were in. It's very unfortunate. Hope things work to be better in future


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Re: The 180cc Big Bore - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

I'm Really sorry If I made myself unclear about the cam part.
I wouldn't any day say that the cams noise has gone down to stock level.
The sound was unbearable for during the initial period post the up gradation but have gone down by 60% now.

Re: THE 180cc BIG BORE - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

Dear Brother Jonahmano,

I have gone through your entire 180cc BIG BORE story of your FZ-16. I am very impressed with your great work. Well I just want to know that whether you have done any kind of modification in your crank case opening while setting the big bore. Well I am looking ahead for 200cc big bore for my Yamaha Fazer, so can you suggest me regarding the Kit contents of 200cc and also Where do I buy them in India.

Thanking you

Atique
e-mail: [email protected]
Mobile:+8801613386633
Dhaka
Bangladesh

Re: THE 180cc BIG BORE - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

Hi Atique,

Before you do anything to your bike, read the thread below from page number 1 till the end!

Re: THE 180cc BIG BORE - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

so how is ur bb kit going?? plz give a statement on its reliability

Re: THE 180cc BIG BORE - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

Most people with RC BB kits have either reverted to stock or got new bikes.

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BB kits are always a gamble. U win some u lose some. Why not sell the underpowered stock bike and get a new bike which can satisfy your appetite for power n other stuffs!! Coz the cost of bike+ BB kits+time invested+greenbacks for maintenance+loss incurred when selling a souped up bike(or setting it back to stock) = a new bike offering all the reliability and power u wish for. One of my friend burnt a hole in his pocket after his experiment with BB kit went kaput on his pulsar and later, nobody was ready to buy it as it was souped up pretty bad with engine making funny noises when cranked up. He then converted it back to stock and sold it off. :banghead: As far as am aware, a suitable aftermarket air filter, tuned up carb or remapped ecu(keeping the limitations of the engine concerned in mind) and an FFe, together should suffice to provide a marginal bump up in power without stressing out the engine internals, anything more, then you are inviting trouble. Fz-16 is such a classy little fella, it offers you a bit of everything, comfort, handling, reliability, style and the list goes on. I agree that the chassis and suspension of fz16 can easily handle well upto 250cc but the problem is, hot rodding in India is still in its infancy, don't go by the marketing gimmicks. It's better to be aware than to be sorry.

Goodluck :thumbup:



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Re: THE 180cc BIG BORE - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

Hi Sorry for long break. Anyhow no issues with my BB kit but I haven't gained anything either. the mileage still hovers around 34 km/l and I ride very little. So my bike can't be taken as benchmark.

Anyways please do read all the pages of this thread and you will know why you shouldn't go for a big-bore. My first kit already got seized and I'm running fine on my second kit. And riding 5kms a day is not riding at all. You might get a good thrill in power but you will have to shell out every penny of what you enjoy. My advice to everyone is please do listen to seniors and experienced of this thread and don't jump into the net. Yes only if you enthusiastic, able to take risks and ready to face consequences of losses. Someone's pocket-money(side business) project might entertain you but at the cost of your life.

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can anyone tell me the venturi size of a fz??
i m talking abt this diameter. my sz r has 21mm of intake size. what abt fz and pulsar 150/ apache 160?? i just want to know bcoz i want more power so want to change the carb...
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Re: THE 180cc BIG BORE - A story of a FZ-16 getting Tuned

Hi Guys

After a long break. Here I'm again in this thread. My bike has run 22000 km. And it's doing very well. I'm very grateful to God that my BB kit didn't go wrong because I was very honest and even Joel knows that very well. The only problem was he didn't support me with the right matching parts after the installation and the failure of first BB kit. Luckily I had right people at the right time helping me.

Thanking shv15 and mallikarjun who helped me very much.

Now I'm thinking about fitting a P200 carburettor to my beast and get ahead. Can anyone suggest if it's okay to fit the new avenger 220 carburettor to my beast. Please do have some suggestions.

Thank you