Agree with points 1 & 2, But point 3, I am not sure. Apache RTR has been successfull platform for TVS. Atleast I think it has better sales than TVS's bikes in other segments.

@Topic
If motorcycle makers start making bikes with tastes of xBHP, Then there would be no time that they will shut their factories. Yamaha's doing correct job for their survival. The upgrades on FZ arent any huge that they dont have backward compatibility. Difference between FZ & FZ-S is almost no excpet for the crown and rim strips and few extra lines of paint. HH has their own strategies which no way go togethor with tastes of xBHP. They are doing business and they mean profit, So its useless cribbing about what HH does unless or untill they give bad bikes out.

HH Passion, People will buy it no matter how many iteration HH make with it. Thats the goodwill it earned. When I went to register my bike with RTO here, Out of 100bikes near to me...more than 70% are passions. You can imagine the customer base a bike with just little iteration that has.

Yamaha needs to just have large customer base, This is what its doing with FZ, But still keeping its current premium customers happy without any upgrades on R15. I hope Yamaha is following similar strategy as HH did with its Karizma. Dont upgrade the bike untill there is nessecity in largescale, not just because of few enthusiatic riders around who constitute less than 5% of indian biking scenario. So HH upgrades its premium bike finally after 6 years and current owners can happily try it.

At the end, Its boils down to how much business I do and profit I get.

I am laughing like anything after reading this line...Thanks for making my day!!

Get your facts right before speaking anything on a public forum.Can you prove the above line with some data?

First everything from comfort to style to attraction to etc... doesnt matter
is dependent on a individual.... so what are we fighting here for ....
fazer a tourer or not ... people will buy it or not ... yamaha ditching us or not .. does yamaha care about this ... the company is here to earn money and it has proved that it quite successful in doing so

As one day Ekta kapoor's foolish daily soaps had to end because they were fooling the public with the same old lame tricks... burn someone n he comes back ... throw someone from a mountain n he comes back ... blah blah full crap drama ... ohh my head pains

like this there has to be a end to this non sense also
there will come one day when people will realize that this is all so foolish and wastage of money.... that day they want or not .... all companies will have to pay heed to demands

so brothers lets hope that before our last breath
we see that day

sigh

PS : Ekta kapoor fans dont pounce on me ...

I saw an Interview just recently at launch of Fazer. The Yamaaha top guns said they wish to capture 20% of global bike market and 10 % of the indian market as quikly as possible. They said we have 2 to 3% of the market right now, which is negligible..almost zero for them. They are focussing on bikes till 250 cc and would also get 400cc bikes to India.

^...,where is joel joe ?

Yaa....aawn.
How about R-15 engine with the same tune set up in the new Fazer with the price 10K less than R-15. Then the bike would have justified its price tag cosmetically as well as performance-wise.

But nope, they would only like to milk the poser class customers more rigorously for now.

Yesterday on NDTV Raftaar i saw Yamaha Global Chief was telling that in India they will concentrate on 100cc to 250cc motorcycles.

I hope they will come up with a good 250cc on arrival of Ninja. 250cc segment is going to be very exiting segment.

IMO Yamaha is doing a very good thing with there upcoming products.... friends dont forget that Yamaha few years back were on the edge of leaving our country...Alright they came with a bang (R15) and it hit the market well...Now what Yamaha is trying to do is to capture market, which in their prospective is a very good way to bring out the Fazer, I am happy as me being a die hard core of Yamaha was literally shattered when Yamaha was almost broke few years back....but now I can see that Yamaha has done their homework and hence they bringing their products and I am keeping my fingers crossed for Fazer to touch some magical figure of win some awards this year too....

About other manufacturers I wont like to comment. first because this thread is dedicated to strategy of Yamaha, so there is no point. Secondly, as I beleive everyone have their own point of view and likings... so some may like CD100 and hate Hayabusa so you cannot even compare two brands in this scenario. Thirdly you know, their is a truth of life which as per me applies to bikes as well.... if you start comparing, then you are not doing justice to yourself nor your steed...all the machines with a engine and two wheels have their own pros and cons.....and dont forget friends that even Rossi sometime falls...

so lets keep this thread healthy and objective oriented hail Yamaha!

Rumour mill has it for a long time that Yamaha is working on a BIGGER fz for a long time.... but like I said earlier, it will be foolish of Yamaha to 'kill' the R15 now... maybe sometime soon!

I switch between RTR and the R15.... wouldnt mind switching between RTR,R15,R6,R1
It will start with R1 on salary week and RTR on month ends :P


@ Thank you Ken... as they say, an Eye for an Eye will end up the whole world as blind

all are just concentrating ,,,, some are speculating ... few are waiting
and some have gone mad already

so what next ... may be you kill me

Launching 250 will not kill R15 as 250 will have much higher price tag and higher segment. It will compete with Ninja and going through Ninja price i think Yamaha 250 will also hold price tag of 2.5 lakh plus.

if not competing with Ninja then too it will be price higher so that it will not penetrate in to R15 territorry. But i think 250 is little far from now, may be first quarter of 2010 is right time.

No man i dont wanna go in jail after killing you.

This is not speculation, this is what that Japanese guy said on TV. You still find that episode on NDTV throughout this week, or by next week on Tubaah.

The people who gone mad were expecting toooo much toooo early.

You can never say when their plans change. Last year, Tsuji said that the 2 popular 600's of Yamaha (R & FZ) are considered for India via CKD Mode. I have the video too. And an year later, they say its 100-250 ... Damn!

Meanwhile, a speculation spread out, that R6 would be here by Oct '10. I wonder who spread it?

Bottom line, we can never guess enough what will happen. Let the time come ... I know waiting is painful (coz that's what I'm doing right now).

but the fz250 might very well be a single cylinder bike and will land up in the price range of r-15 and would obviously have more power and torque, in that case i see many people opting for the fz250 instead of r15, and as far as the r25 goes Yamaha might introduce it in the international markets first (can anyone remember the r4 images?) to counter the ninja and other similar bikes. so first quarter of 2010 is a good time for fz250 and way too early for r25.

We are yet to get tooling for full manufacture of R15 engines in India. Then why to talk of F250, R25 and R6, etc........

Otherwise someone please enlighten me.