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  • #76
    Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
    1. I don't want to be an experimental 'guinea pig' for any corporate especially after paying 'MRP+Taxes' !.. I would invest in completely evolved products free from even minor niggles.

    2. Basically mix of all you have mentioned, sales being an important parameter, finally it's about 'acceptance' by the public that's imp.
    1. Launching the fully fared R15 in a country like India was also an experiment..Yam could have always got that damn motor on a Gladi.
    The point is nobody complains when u experiment and pull it off....only when it goes the other way ppl talk of 'guinea pigs'

    2.

    p.s: According to 'Acceptance by Public' theory, we get the following results
    Splendor, Passion, CD 100etc.. - Hit
    Splendor Plus, Passion Plus, Super Splendor - Super Hit
    Pulsar - Breakeven
    All other models - Flop
    Last edited by praveenz; 07-14-2009, 12:28 PM. Reason: typo
    of all the forces, Twisting Force impresses me the most


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    • #77
      Originally posted by praveenz View Post
      1. Launching the fully fared R15 in a country like India was also an experiment..Yam could have always got that damn motor on a Gladi.
      The point is nobody complains when u experiment and pull it off....only when it goes the other way ppl talk of 'guinea pigs'

      2.

      p.s: According to 'Acceptance by Public' rule, we get the following results
      Splendor, Passion, CD 100etc.. - Hit
      Splendor Plus, Passion Plus, Super Splendor - Super Hit
      Pulsar - Breakeven
      All other models - Flop

      No no no you got it all wrong you are comparing apples oranges grapes and coconuts......

      But nevertheless, I guess the time has come for the mods to edit the thread title again and drop the word Yamaha from it and make it a generic thread...
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      #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
      #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
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      • #78
        Originally posted by praveenz View Post
        1. Launching the fully fared R15 in a country like India was also an experiment..Yam could have always got that damn motor on a Gladi.
        The point is nobody complains when u experiment and pull it off....only when it goes the other way ppl talk of 'guinea pigs'

        2.

        p.s: According to 'Acceptance by Public' rule, we get the following results
        Splendor, Passion, CD 100etc.. - Hit
        Splendor Plus, Passion Plus, Super Splendor - Super Hit
        Pulsar - Breakeven
        All other models - Flop
        1. It's your opinion to call it experiment, remember R15 made world debut in India, thank Yamaha for that focus !! I don't think it will be pulled off ?
        2. Again, I respect your opinion !

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        • #79
          Frazer

          90% FZ & 10% R15 i.e front faring.......

          R15 is unique in indian roads & it can have a competitor in looks from other brands but not from YAMAHA itself......
          Frazer should have different faring with different styling compared to FZ.... then it would have been defenitely a cool bike.......
          While the name is different then obviously the bike should be different.....
          I dont see Frazer will give an impact like FZ or R15....

          Any idea of upcoming new bikes in indian market????

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          • #80
            Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
            1. It's your opinion to call it experiment, remember R15 made world debut in India, thank Yamaha for that focus !! I don't think it will be pulled off ?
            2. Again, I respect your opinion !

            Oops..u got me wrong..i meant "when u experiment and pull it off successfully".....I am sure R15 will stay in the market for atleast half a decade (Esp after thier Fazer launch)
            of all the forces, Twisting Force impresses me the most


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            • #81
              1. No one compared, Ken just proved a ponit !!
              How illogical it is. Ken proved the point in the context of availability of an example engine in respect of an European equation only? Is it so? If so, then this logic cannot have a bearing on Indian equation and should not be quoted in this thread on Yamaha India models. If it is not, then the point definitely relates and impresses upon Indian equation, since it has been quoted on this thread. Tell me.

              BTW, in European equation, engine with similar specs is able to match the desired power specs and role demands of both the bikes.

              Here, an FZ16 engine can be a good not-so-fast commuter, but not a good engine for touring at 100-110 kmph cruise. So, this is why some of beating the drum for more power. Rather, I would desire 16 PS for both FZ16 and the new Fazer. What say?

              Heck, Yamaha can also sell FZ clad in a chhaddi or a frock. They are the manufacturers.

              lolz isnt that the way it is now...? We call our punny 200 odd CC motors as tourers and track tools and what not.... oh and for records, you do have less that 150CC DTs, Track Bikes as well....
              Go, Get the right facts first. Every Baja bike has a separate engine spec or a diffferent state of tune in their bikes, howsoever small different it may be.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Technician View Post
                How illogical it is. Ken proved the point in the context of availability of an example engine in respect of an European equation only? Is it so? If so, then this logic cannot have a bearing on Indian equation and should not be quoted in this thread on Yamaha India models. If it is not, then the point definitely relates and impresses upon Indian equation, since it has been quoted on this thread. Tell me.

                BTW, in European equation, engine with similar specs is able to match the desired power specs and role demands of both the bikes.
                +1

                and yeah definitely ken da was talkin purely in relation to that sentense
                he has highlighted it in bold ...
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                may be the best of things and
                no good thing ever dies .

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                • #83
                  Market segmentation is a relative thing depending on the state of each respective market. Even though the FZ1 is a literbike and the FZ16 is a 160cc one, the variants they sport are aimed at the same clientele.

                  There would always be people who want faired bikes (Like me) and people who want naked ones (Like my room mate). The FZ is a decent template upon which a motorcycle with either configuration can be arrived upon. And surprise surprise, for once, a fairing job doesn't look like a second grade aftermarket job. This new variant is just a move to appease the ones that prefer faired motorcycles. In this context, Ken's example is perfectly valid and moreover, this is the same company that has taken quite a few proactive steps in the market and can therefore be forgiven for their share of mix-n-match variant-a-palooza.

                  If that doesn't convince you, here's a thought: No one's holding a gun to your head and demanding that you buy a Fazer. You don't HAVE to. You can CHOOSE to.

                  The free world. It's a wonderful thing.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Technician View Post

                    By the same token, what is harmful if HH brings out a CD100, a 100 CD tourer with half fairing, a 100 CD Track tool () with full fairing to compete with impending R25, a CD 100 with low-slung chopper(to compete with impending HDs), a DC 100 for off-track use, a XXX-100 CD for fairer sex motorcyclists. Oh God. This is where you want us to head to. Just joking since I cannot be kidding.

                    Name is quite apt and rythymic unlike that of some of ours which purely give a mechanical or emotional tone.
                    My comment was on the highlighted statement.... we obviously are there... just a tad bit away...
                    We call our <250CC motors as tourers and track tools and what not




                    Originally posted by Technician View Post
                    Go, Get the right facts first. Every Baja bike has a separate engine spec or a diffferent state of tune in their bikes, howsoever small different it may be.
                    Lolz who said anything about Bajaj here... I was talking more on the international segment, you have a 100CC-250CC DTs and Track bikes, which will make any Indian bike crap in its silencers....

                    And Thank you Synn
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                    #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
                    #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                    #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
                    #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
                    #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
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                    • #85
                      Synn's in da HOUSE !

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                      • #86
                        The free world. It's a wonderful thing.
                        Yes. It is a free world where of course, one can criticize any company's strategy if one sees a reason. And there is a valid reason.

                        And no one is holding any gun on anyone's head or chest for that matter for criticising or defending one company's strategy. Is anyone?

                        was talking more on the international segment
                        Kaheen pe nigahein, kaheen pe nishana.

                        And Thank you Synn
                        What for? What is going on behind the curtains?

                        Without naming Ken any more, the point here is : Is it wise for Yam to paste a fairing and new colours on the same (Yes, same) bike, if this is perceived as the same practice of pasting new colours/stickers and a few plastic parts by other manufacturers, notably HH.
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                        • #87
                          ^ I think it is wise for them in term's of their own profits.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

                            3. Respect/envy? A150-big time flop, RTR160- flop, RTR-R -flop, RTR-Fi -flop, RTR-180 - a new launch. In comparision, Uni was launched in 2004, almost same Uni is sold even today without any upgrade but sells hot (has waiting period as well). The only envy/respect part is all Apaches together have won a dozen awards, Uni has not won anything.
                            How have you put these bikes in your Flop category when it is having great nos. being sold all over india and is the most recognised and respected brand from TVS . waiting period doesnt mean its successful . even gs150 has long waiting period and its not very popular in sales .

                            So dont you think by your 'theory' Fz must have been one hellova flop to have 3 varients in 1 year .
                            Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
                            Let me re-visit my opinion (OT but needed), first of all flop is not something bad or something seriously wrong, many good bikes have flopped in the past. In fact, I own two floppers, Ambition and Xtreme
                            Apaches/RTRs are all fundamentally based on Fiero engine, one of the most rev happy and reliable mill on Indian road. A150 flopped though it won 8 awards and it sold only b'cos of aggressive ad. campaign.
                            Next it was turn of RTRs that were 'oversized', A150 became oversized, rather Fiero became oversized ?? Right. RTRs USP according to TVS was rev. happy and great top end, but what did people get ? Vibrations post 6K RPM, according to engine theory, oversized engines vibrates less than long stroke engines of same capacity, b'cos there is less inertial forces in oversized engines b'cos of short stroke, but TVS broke the conventional laws, to induce hell of vibrations post 6K RPM.
                            I would say 4 years n 4 Apaches itself proves that TVS is not yet produced the best Apache yet, I hope RTR180 is a succesful iteration, TVS has taken lot of time and hell number of feedback before launching RTR180, let this be a succesful model.
                            What's 'oversized' ,its called over-square engine . and how did they break these 'laws'


                            Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

                            2. Basically mix of all you have mentioned, sales being an important parameter, finally it's about 'acceptance' by the public that's imp.
                            what do you mean by 'acceptence ' . what parameters go into this according to you ?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Technician View Post
                              Yes. It is a free world where of course, one can criticize any company's strategy if one sees a reason. And there is a valid reason.

                              And no one is holding any gun on anyone's head or chest for that matter for criticising or defending one company's strategy. Is anyone?
                              There's defending and then there's stating the facts. There's a subtle difference.

                              Is it wise for Yam to paste a fairing and new colours on the same (Yes, same) bike, if this is perceived as the same practice of pasting new colours/stickers and a few plastic parts by other manufacturers, notably HH.
                              Difference being, Yamaha's portfolio is still technologically superior to pretty much everything else in the market. When they lose that edge and slide back to mediocrity, your point would start being valid.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Wheel_Spin View Post
                                Payeng sir i doubt Yamaha's strategy is to sell the Fazer by droves like the FZ16.

                                The positioning of the product and the touring ad all scream niche product with emphasis on a niche segment in the market...

                                Believe me my friend, it would do anything to sell the Fazer in droves.

                                Have seen the TV Ad for the Fazer.. the Ad looks great and so does the bike. Yamaha has indeed tried to differentiate the Fazer with its FZ16/S..
                                the touring spirit is already there among a handfull of 'desi bikers', lets see whether the Fazer finds favor among them.


                                [P.S: Please don't 'sir' me ]

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