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**payeng** · 07-13-2009, 11:21 PM

Golden Eggs..??

The Yamaha R15 and FZ16 has been nothing short of a breath of fresh air for the 'desi' bike enthusiast. I say this because the 150 cc (and above) segment in India was getting stale and crowded with look alike models with more or less same features, performance and dynamics.

The 'Distinct International Looks' has ensured that there were many who are ready to pay a premium for these bikes. Yamaha India has certainly managed to push the envelope of 'desi biking' in India.

Its clear that currently the the FZ is the Goose which is laying the proverbial Golden Eggs for Yamaha.. but what about the Fazer..?? Will it be another of those golden eggs..??

Just one point to ponder: It has been around a week since the Fazer has been launched officially, some xBhp-ian's have even taken its test ride.. but so far there has been no xBhp-ian who has stepped forward to book the Fazer.. Did we miss something here..??

[P.S: TVS Apache RTR series..?? they ROCK..!!]

**outworldly maniac** · 07-13-2009, 11:28 PM

Apache series a failure

so from what does TVS owners earn the money to run that company

hmmmm.....
a very strange and mysterious puzzle ... lets us all solve it and open companies and earn profits even if the products are loss or a failure

**chauhan_saurabh** · 07-14-2009, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

I wouldn't say that

! Different rules for oranges and apples !!

Yeah, on iterates over the looks and the other over the performance.

How can a mere performance evolving company can compete with looks iterating company? Time has proven again and again this when HH kept selling their beauty queens in more number than rest combines

.. so off course RTRs are failure

.. but what can I do to my heart who just love them

but alas people like me are just mad and can't see worth of cosmetic updates .. like how a crown can save you from direct hitting winds .. and how different color scheme can help in heat management and scatters some alien pheromones which can tame majority of social animals known as Indian bikers

P.S.>: All thoughts are my own imagination and not triggered by or targeted towards anyone, so please PEACE PEACE. No offense to anyone at all. Sincere apologies if someone gets offended.

**satyenpoojary** · 07-14-2009, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

The Yamaha R15 and FZ16 has been nothing short of a breath of fresh air for the 'desi' bike enthusiast. I say this because the 150 cc (and above) segment in India was getting stale and crowded with look alike models with more or less same features, performance and dynamics.

The 'Distinct International Looks' has ensured that there were many who are ready to pay a premium for these bikes. Yamaha India has certainly managed to push the envelope of 'desi biking' in India.

Its clear that currently the the FZ is the Goose which is laying the proverbial Golden Eggs for Yamaha.. but what about the Fazer..?? Will it be another of those golden eggs..??

Just one point to ponder: It has been around a week since the Fazer has been launched officially, some xBhp-ian's have even taken its test ride.. but so far there has been no xBhp-ian who has stepped forward to book the Fazer.. Did we miss something here..??

[P.S: TVS Apache RTR series..?? they ROCK..!!]

I miss a fat pay cheque of my Appraisal bonus

Once it there I will do my bit to 'help' TVS out of the 'flop' rtr 180 :P

**Wheel_Spin** · 07-14-2009, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Its clear that currently the the FZ is the Goose which is laying the proverbial Golden Eggs for Yamaha.. but what about the Fazer..?? Will it be another of those golden eggs..??

Just one point to ponder: It has been around a week since the Fazer has been launched officially, some xBhp-ian's have even taken its test ride.. but so far there has been no xBhp-ian who has stepped forward to book the Fazer.. Did we miss something here..??

[P.S: TVS Apache RTR series..?? they ROCK..!!]

Payeng sir i doubt Yamaha's strategy is to sell the Fazer by droves like the FZ16. The positioning of the product and the touring ad all scream niche product with emphasis on a niche segment in the market. As for the both of them selling it's hardly been days since the ads been out for both the Fazer and the RTR180 so i would give them both breathing space. Besides i believe marketing plays an important role in making or breaking a product. Both bikes have ads which will immensely appeal to people on Tbhp (i.e. why do i race and the Touring spirit ad) but it doubt it will connect with the majority of the "aam junta" who look at bikes as commuters. Unless that attitude changes i doubt a lot is going to change for us bikers since manufacturers will be reluctant to give us higher capacity bikes at lower prices.
Point to be noted that Bajaj is going back to the 100cc segment and i am pretty sure Yamaha will too.

**rennycornelius** · 07-14-2009, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

[P.S: TVS Apache RTR series..?? they ROCK..!!]

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**chicane1879** · 07-14-2009, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

3. Respect/envy? A150-big time flop, RTR160- flop, RTR-R -flop, RTR-Fi -flop, RTR-180 - a new launch.

Originally posted by praveenz View Post

OT: By the way, what exactly are the parameters attched to your "Flop". is it the sales ? or VFM ? or by promises but nopt met by the manufacturer ?

^^ Only by parameters only known and set by Mr.Vipin Honda!!

Yamaha's strategy is foolproof considering the mentality of indian consumers otherwise where in this holy world you have the same machine being positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover...Damn!!

..And i am not amongst those who sneak in their friends and relatives homes to see what bikes they are riding and then deciding upon those.I have my own mind, my own requirements and if a bike does provide bucketloads of what i anticipate then i dont give a damn to those sales figures.

**outworldly maniac** · 07-14-2009, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

Yamaha's strategy is foolproof considering the mentality of indian consumers otherwise where in this holy world you have the same machine being positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover...Damn!!

..And i am not amongst those who sneak in their friends and relatives homes to see what bikes they are riding and then deciding upon those.I have my own mind, my own requirements and if a bike does provide bucketloads of what i anticipate then i dont give a damn to those sales figures.

haha

after all there are people who talk sense

**Mik** · 07-14-2009, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Wheel_Spin View Post

P The positioning of the product and the touring ad all scream niche product with emphasis on a niche segment in the market.

I seriously doubt that positioning the product as a touring bike will get tourers to buy it. A zma/220/bull is a much better bet. I have no data to back this up, but i think that most of buyers of the new yamahas really don't buy it for its handling/performance but for the sheer poser value it gives(No offence, i respect what yamaha have been doing lately

). In that respect, the new fazer is quite a looker and it will definitely sell, even if it was positioned differently.

**ken cool** · 07-14-2009, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post

^^ Only by parameters only known and set by Mr.Vipin Honda!!

Yamaha's strategy is foolproof considering the mentality of indian consumers otherwise where in this holy world you have the same machine being positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover...Damn!!

In this holy world, Europe exists I suppose. Wherein, Yamaha sells the same machine positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover! DAMN NO!!!

Just check here:

Cosmetically naked here: 2009 Yamaha FZ1

And faired here: 2009 Yamaha FZ1 Fazer

With identical engine specs!

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

haha

after all there are people who talk sense

Thankfully they do!

QED!

Phew!

**vipin_s** · 07-14-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

In this holy world, Europe exists I suppose. Wherein, Yamaha sells the same machine positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover! DAMN NO!!!
Just check here:
Cosmetically naked here: 2009 Yamaha FZ1
And faired here: 2009 Yamaha FZ1 Fazer
With identical engine specs!
Thankfully they do!
QED!
Phew!

Well said sir !!
Coming to Fazer 150, Styling has nothing to do with touring, but I expect Yamaha to make it cruise at approx. 80 kmph at about 6K RPM to make the engine stress free and munch miles w/o that stress. I'm sure on long term this bike will be a hit. BTW, how many in India buy a bike exclusively for touring ? They will commute as well, so as a commuter/Tourer, Fazer is a good product.

**soulstation** · 07-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

In this holy world, Europe exists I suppose. Wherein, Yamaha sells the same machine positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover! DAMN NO!!!

Just check here:

Cosmetically naked here: 2009 Yamaha FZ1

And faired here: 2009 Yamaha FZ1 Fazer

With identical engine specs!

Thankfully they do!

QED!

Phew!

not just yamaha, but suzuki, kawa & aprilia. do the same thing too between "where in the world "now here is the difference.

Click on the Accessories on both those pages, that is your difference. between selling it as city bike and touring.

**Technician** · 07-14-2009, 11:50 AM

In this holy world, Europe exists I suppose. Wherein, Yamaha sells the same machine positioned both as a street bike as well as a touring bike with just a cosmetic makeover!

Oh my God, a futile comparison between Indian and European equations.

By the same token, what is harmful if HH brings out a CD100, a 100 CD tourer with half fairing, a 100 CD Track tool () with full fairing to compete with impending R25, a CD 100 with low-slung chopper(to compete with impending HDs), a DC 100 for off-track use, a XXX-100 CD for fairer sex motorcyclists. Oh God. This is where you want us to head to.

Just joking since I cannot be kidding.

Mr. Vipin Honda

Name is quite apt and rythymic unlike that of some of ours which purely give a mechanical or emotional tone.

**satyenpoojary** · 07-14-2009, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Technician View Post

Oh my God, a futile comparison between Indian and European equations.

By the same token, what is harmful if HH brings out a CD100, a 100 CD tourer with half fairing, a 100 CD Track tool () with full fairing to compete with impending R25, a CD 100 with low-slung chopper(to compete with impending HDs), a DC 100 for off-track use, a XXX-100 CD for fairer sex motorcyclists. Oh God. This is where you want us to head to.

Just joking since I cannot be kidding.

Name is quite apt and rythymic unlike that of some of ours which purely give a mechanical or emotional tone.

lolz isnt that the way it is now...? We call our punny 200 odd CC motors as tourers and track tools and what not.... oh and for records, you do have less that 150CC DTs, Track Bikes as well....

**vipin_s** · 07-14-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Technician View Post

1. Oh my God, a futile comparison between Indian and European equations.

2. By the same token, what is harmful if HH brings out a CD100, a 100 CD tourer with half fairing, a 100 CD Track tool () with full fairing to compete with impending R25, a CD 100 with low-slung chopper(to compete with impending HDs), a DC 100 for off-track use, a XXX-100 CD for fairer sex motorcyclists. Oh God. This is where you want us to head to.

Just joking since I cannot be kidding.

3. Name is quite apt and rythymic unlike that of some of ours which purely give a mechanical or emotional tone.

1. No one compared, Ken just proved a ponit !!

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