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**madhav krishna** · 01-27-2011, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

sorry Madhav
it should have been, 15W50, i have no idea what iit means other than the description that it is a semi synth...

The 15W40 (recommended) is a thinner oil while the 15W50 (can be used but not recommended by company) is relatively a thicker oil.

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

I feel after changing the oil, the rev response is more free and light... does it mean it will perform well in high rpm as well..?

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

how is the throttle response like in full synth oil,like agip...

Well since i have used oils of only two companies. One is yamalube (mineral) & second is agip (full synth) so it wouldnt be appropriate for me to give a comparision with the semi synth oils. But compared to the yamalube mineral the response is quite good & free revving

**sriram_r** · 01-27-2011, 04:29 PM

If it s not recommeded by the company why did the SVC guy claimed the 15 W50 that is currently being used for the fazer can be used in gladiator also.. what are they gaining by mis-guiding me in this case...

But at 6000RPM i could sense the engine is producing additioanl whirring notes (is it common - or could be a outcome of the change to a new engine blood)

**madhav krishna** · 01-27-2011, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

If it s not recommeded by the company why did the SVC guy claimed the 15 W50 that is currently being used for the fazer can be used in gladiator also.. what are they gaining by mis-guiding me in this case...

But at 6000RPM i could sense the engine is producing additioanl whirring notes (is it common - or could be a outcome of the change to a new engine blood)

Well they do use the oil in my service center also. But its NOT at all recommended by the company (see manual). In rare cases it might result in the oil pump getting jammed.

See http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/202434-post215.html & even this http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/512278-post1062.html for further info.

**sriram_r** · 01-28-2011, 11:13 AM

Madhav, Wing....

I would have ridden hardly 120 kms now... what do i do now.. shift to castrol power 1 as per night's advice asap (tomm)... was sad to hear some negative effects being played by the 50 oil in gladi.....

Thanks for providing me nightwing's experiences .. i was in fact searching for it all day and could not find it.. thanks again

Awaiting for your replies.. to take prompt action....

how long will it take to change engine oil.. shouid it be done when engine is hot or cold?? how to wash of previous oil residues

**madhav krishna** · 01-28-2011, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

Madhav, Wing....

I would have ridden hardly 120 kms now... what do i do now.. shift to castrol power 1 as per night's advice asap (tomm)... was sad to hear some negative effects being played by the 50 oil in gladi.....

Thanks for providing me nightwing's experiences .. i was in fact searching for it all day and could not find it.. thanks again

Awaiting for your replies.. to take prompt action....

how long will it take to change engine oil.. shouid it be done when engine is hot or cold?? how to wash of previous oil residues

Well since you have already put the oil dont change it. Nightwing has used the oil for a long time & still dint faced any sort of BIG problem. I would recommend to use that oil till next 3000kms. The oil jamming problem will be only on prolonged usage. Once a while shouldnt create any problem IMO. If you will change the oil now then it will just make your wallet more lighter

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But next time take care about it.

**nightwing** · 01-28-2011, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

Madhav, Wing....

I would have ridden hardly 120 kms now... what do i do now.. shift to castrol power 1 as per night's advice asap (tomm)... was sad to hear some negative effects being played by the 50 oil in gladi.....

Thanks for providing me nightwing's experiences .. i was in fact searching for it all day and could not find it.. thanks again

Awaiting for your replies.. to take prompt action....

how long will it take to change engine oil.. shouid it be done when engine is hot or cold?? how to wash of previous oil residues

I have been using the Motul 5100 15w50 for a while now since I havent come across any alternative that is available locally. Rest assured that it wont harm your bike in any,atleast from my experience it hasnt. Why am I using the wrong oil? Because a new yamaha mechanic turned the engine oil nut the wrong way and the screw threads are ruined. So now my bike leaks all the time. Have tried a lot to get it mended but the leak persists. I had a spare bottle of Motul lying around that I use to top the oil level every 5 days.
Dont change the oil if you arent facing any problem. Switch to the right grade during your next service

**sriram_r** · 01-30-2011, 11:21 AM

Thanks Night and Madhav and hey sorry for my late replies..

@Night: How long did you use motul 15w50 ? was it semisynth ? you suggested me that choose the right grade of oil? Here are you advicing me to change the stock oil now used by the SVC or a semisynth oil but in a different grade..

now that my bike has run 4000 plus can my next oil change be castrol power 1 racing 15W40 (you had mentioned earlier)

For your oil leak problem, can you figure out if you can change the crankcase alone (bottom part of engine alone), if you have some budget why not talk to the factory guys in saharnpur and ask them maybe through some dealership to source one in order to take out the worry of topping it once in 5 days..maybe a painful sight to see your bike dripping down.

@madhav: At what mileage did you change to full synth.. have you ever used semisynth... what is the longterm impact in using full synth oil in gladi.. i think its only for enigne which run in much higher rpm i guess..

With a pillion rider in what RPM cut off do you switch gears like 1st gear - 4000 rom, 2nd in 4000/5000 etc??

**nightwing** · 01-31-2011, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

Thanks Night and Madhav and hey sorry for my late replies..

@Night: How long did you use motul 15w50 ? was it semisynth ? you suggested me that choose the right grade of oil? Here are you advicing me to change the stock oil now used by the SVC or a semisynth oil but in a different grade..

now that my bike has run 4000 plus can my next oil change be castrol power 1 racing 15W40 (you had mentioned earlier)

For your oil leak problem, can you figure out if you can change the crankcase alone (bottom part of engine alone), if you have some budget why not talk to the factory guys in saharnpur and ask them maybe through some dealership to source one in order to take out the worry of topping it once in 5 days..maybe a painful sight to see your bike dripping down.

Motul 5100 is a 15W50 Semi synthetic oil.
What I am saying is,if you cant afford to,dont change the oil. Change it in your next service.

I have already talked to the Yamaha dealer. That engine case is being backordered for the past 3 months. Also paid an advance but no sign on that part.

**sriram_r** · 02-02-2011, 05:23 PM

Ok .. Can you suggest me alternative oil if i say i am ready for a change right away...

In fact I spoke to a castrol dealer and he says he can give me the castrol power one racing 4t oil for 275 bucks.. which is not too much a cost...could you confirm whether 275 rupees is what it costs

Do you want me to enquire regarding the bottom casing.. maybe if i succeed i can courier you and you can wire transfer ..

**madhav krishna** · 02-02-2011, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

@madhav: At what mileage did you change to full synth.. have you ever used semisynth... what is the longterm impact in using full synth oil in gladi.. i think its only for enigne which run in much higher rpm i guess..

With a pillion rider in what RPM cut off do you switch gears like 1st gear - 4000 rom, 2nd in 4000/5000 etc??

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I changed my oil to a full synthetic very early at 4000kms. I have used only two oils in my bike. Those are yamalube mineral (previously) & AGIP Racing 4T full synth (current one). I have never used any semi synth in my bike till now. Full synth oils have a lot more benefits like better stability & performance in cold starts. These oils are definetly better than the minerals. These are economical also since they last much longer. BTW our glady's engine is a free revving engine. Isnt it??

I donot have any specific riding technique. I ride according to my mood. But in most cases i shift to second gear from first gear as soon as possible. After that i usually shift the gears at 4500rpm.

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

Ok .. Can you suggest me alternative oil if i say i am ready for a change right away...

In fact I spoke to a castrol dealer and he says he can give me the castrol power one racing 4t oil for 275 bucks.. which is not too much a cost...could you confirm whether 275 rupees is what it costs

Do you want me to enquire regarding the bottom casing.. maybe if i succeed i can courier you and you can wire transfer ..

I would suggest to use oil like motul, agip, petronas. I would recommend to give the castrol the preference after these oils.

Anyways the castrol power one costs 275 bucks & castrol power one racing costs around 700 bucks.

**sriram_r** · 02-03-2011, 03:17 PM

HI MAdhav,

Thank you v much for the replies. how much does your oil cost... but as such night has already used a semisynth oil before and not sure what oil he is using currently.. if he uses full synth then in that case his bike would have tasted all the three flavours, but i guess night would be the one to answer which oil the bike likes the best...

Do you have any web link, URL of the oil (possible by a dealer or from the agip website) of the oil you are currently using for the bike...

Here when we switch oils... how do we ensure the oil residues are washed out... can we drain the old oil first... pump some petrol inside the chamber, start the bike once to collect all the oil residues from moving parts and flush out before re-filling new oil... will this work out.. (We used to do this for RX135's)...

1. Is this the oil you are talking about (Web link given below)..where it says "For use in highly modified multi-valve engines"
2. As you claim gladi is free revving engine,what is the cut off rpm for each gear..means can i rev upto 7000 rpm in each gear?
... will the bike be happy?

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**madhav krishna** · 02-03-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

HI MAdhav,

Thank you v much for the replies. how much does your oil cost..

It costs you 620 bucks
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Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

but as such night has already used a semisynth oil before and not sure what oil he is using currently.. if he uses full synth then in that case his bike would have tasted all the three flavours, but i guess night would be the one to answer which oil the bike likes the best...

Ok waiting for nightwing to chip in.

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

Do you have any web link, URL of the oil (possible by a dealer or from the agip website) of the oil you are currently using for the bike...

Nope as of now there are no such web link with me.

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

Here when we switch oils... how do we ensure the oil residues are washed out... can we drain the old oil first... pump some petrol inside the chamber, start the bike once to collect all the oil residues from moving parts and flush out before re-filling new oil... will this work out.. (We used to do this for RX135's)...

Well i dont think it would be a wise decision with 4strokes where the engine oil si used for virtually all sorts of lubricating purpose. I can result in some unwanted results.
In RX i guess you are talking about the gear oil.

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

1. Is this the oil you are talking about (Web link given below)..where it says "For use in highly modified multi-valve engines"

Well even in castrol it says "for use in racing bikes". So do we use it for racing bikes only?? The answer is NO. Similarly this oil also can be used in our bikes without ANY problem.

Originally posted by sriram_r View Post

2. As you claim gladi is free revving engine,what is the cut off rpm for each gear..means can i rev upto 7000 rpm in each gear?
... will the bike be happy?

Well when i ride the bike aggressively i do take it to rpms as high as 7k. My bike never complained about it until am taking care of it properly like getting it serviced at proper intervals etc. But still its not a good practice to take it at such high rpms if you want really long life of your vehicle.
Agip Racing 4T Full Synthetic Engine Oil 5W40 - Rs620.00[/QUOTE]

**sriram_r** · 02-04-2011, 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=Well when i ride the bike aggressively i do take it to rpms as high as 7k. My bike never complained about it until am taking care of it properly like getting it serviced at proper intervals etc. But still its not a good practice to take it at such high rpms if you want really long life of your vehicle.

What is your comment for madhavs's statement Night.. i partly agree... why is it been called free revving enginee??

**raja_roadster** · 02-07-2011, 07:09 PM

Guys whats the top speed achieved in your gladiator ; which version of the gladiator is much quicker ; lastly 0-60 time ; gladiator owners do reply ;

**ashokkumarhj** · 02-08-2011, 02:50 PM

Modifications for gladitor delux model

Hi
Iam new to this forum, it is very intresting and educative forum.
I have a gladiator delux model bought in 2008, total 40k kms done,i drive 50 km in a day ,Till now i had two puncture and engine gets heated up both the legs feel the heat when i drive for more then 10 km.

Guys guide me what modifications to be done, iam considering
Changing spoke wheel to alloy wheels
Air filter change

Can you people give me approximate cost of modifictaions

Thanks

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