Mine is 4 year old, guess ill change it.
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Re: KTM RC 390 Ownership Experience
Forgot to thank youOriginally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostIf it's more than two years, and the dash throws up low warning, it's time to get a fresh battery. No matter, how much it holds charge for now or how well the battery cranks the bike, the battery will eventually give up. Get your battery replaced. If your bike is new and if it throws up error, that would mean, the vehicle isn't being run to charge the battery enough. Make sure the battery is re-charged and then installed on the motorcycle.
Cheers!
VJ
I've decided to change the battery, I've gone ahead with exide battery.
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Re: KTM RC 390 Ownership Experience
after you replace the battery.. do get basic voltage tests done.. your ktm svc or local battery should be able to test if the charging circuit is working fine.Originally posted by Rahul.V. View PostThank you,
Mine is 4 year old, guess ill change it.
on an other note..
has you stator coil ever failed ?
keep us posted if it ever fails in the next few months. tell tale signs of a stator coil giving up is your speedo will randomly show 0 reading.. and the battery might lose charge.
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If you don't mind me asking how many kms has your bike done?Originally posted by kiran2508 View PostRebuild Update
Finally I was able source last major part and most expensive part the Cylinder/Piston assembly, had to run around place to place through almost half of the city and had to make 20+ calls and pay in-advance to source the part.
This is the updated Cylinder Piston block straight from the 2020 390, Part No. 36JP0031
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The full Head work has been completed and Head has been assembled. New Valves and it's lapping done, Valve clearances checked and Shims replaced according, new Valve oil stem seals, new Intake and Exhaust Cams assembled, new Spark Plugs. What's left on the head to is swap the Oil Pressure and Coolant Temperature sensor from the old Head and put in new Timing chain, tensionor and guides once the Block is in place.
Whats left to be done is put the new Block, Clutch plates, change the water pump seals for preventive measure, cleaning and de-carbing the injector and throttle body.
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Yes, will do,Originally posted by s1d View Postafter you replace the battery.. do get basic voltage tests done.. your ktm svc or local battery should be able to test if the charging circuit is working fine.
on an other note..
has you stator coil ever failed ?
keep us posted if it ever fails in the next few months. tell tale signs of a stator coil giving up is your speedo will randomly show 0 reading.. and the battery might lose charge.
Thank you.
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Bike has done 27K kms change on the ODO.Originally posted by Deathwing View PostIf you don't mind me asking how many kms has your bike done?Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
Bajaj Discover 135 DTSi Sports - 2009 to Current
KTM RC390 - 2015 to Current
TVS Jupiter - 2016 to Current
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I've already mention in my earlier post, the Cylinder Block and Piston was completely fine, would had run another 20K kms easily(I used to change oil at exact 3K kms). No vertical scoring, still plenty of cross-hatch lines.Originally posted by Deathwing View PostThat's quite early for a rebuild, as far as I've come across most ktm 390s needing a rebuild at 40-50 k km
But the timing chain was end of life(tensionor had released to it's max limit), I could feel the judder and knocking sound during cold starts due to loose timing chain, remember all these was never changed or touched from the beginning (valve shims, timing chain, timing chain guides, tensioners, clutch plates all are the factory fresh and never been removed or changed or touched or adjusted),
I'm pretty proud of this fact atleast the stock factory kit has taken so much abuse untouched for 27K kms and held on till now for the way it was put to use, piston and block would have easily lasted another 20K kms if it weren't damaged and bent!
So it eventually failed at high rpm around 8k rpm, one of the exhaust valves hit the piston and then it went boom! So that's the reason for the rebuild.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
Bajaj Discover 135 DTSi Sports - 2009 to Current
KTM RC390 - 2015 to Current
TVS Jupiter - 2016 to Current
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Hi VJ,Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostPretty much everything apart from the 390, the KTM cousins are cast, including the pistons, whereas the pistons of the 390 are forged and the cylinder plated with NikaSil.
Let's not forget most aluminum heads these days, especially LC, high compression ones, use expensive coatings and light weight materials to extract the maximum power with reduced friction and engine vibration.
I can go on another chapter, but I think it will be too much.
Talking about another chapter
, I found this beautiful 3 parts video series on the manufacturing process involved in forged pistons, I should be honest now I feel the price ₹8K is pretty cheap for the 390 piston, now that after seeing the complete manufacturing process, steps and R&D involved.
Also, saw your post on the ktmduke390forum where you are following thread on the Over-sized piston for the 390, I still wonder why we don't have a over-sized Cylinder/Piston kit option for the 390 even on the international market! I would've happily gone ahead and put one in my bike while I was it now (I mean keeping the fact that it makes the illegal with the RTO and Insurance factors in India aside).
The bike is almost out now 7 years in the market and no big reputed 3rd party OEM vendors have come up with one as an option! I mean even the R15 v3 has one for sake already in the Indonesian market(probably as it's being used in Cup racing series)!
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
Bajaj Discover 135 DTSi Sports - 2009 to Current
KTM RC390 - 2015 to Current
TVS Jupiter - 2016 to Current
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Hello,
Just finished my 4th year service at 16.5k Kms. 2016 RC 390.
1) Changed the usual engine oil (7100 motul) and oil filter.
2) The coolant was changed, this time trying motul motocool.
3) fuel filter.
4) Air filter looked okay, but they said its better to change.
5) Brake pads were changed, it was nearly about 5% of its original size.
6) Spark plugs were changed.
7) New battery was put.
8) Chain and sprocket were changed, have put rolon brass chain sprocket.
9) All checks were done to see wear and tear.
Have spent the whole day at SVC and was in front of the bike upon requesting, 2 SVC refused to let me be near bike while service, idk why.
Total bill came up to 13K. I sourced most of the things I could. Labor charges came upto 2.2k, he did a good job, he explained things pretty well too. was a bit pricey but he had to devote literally a day for this. Hope i don't need to go to SVC for another year.
Thank you.
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If you dont mind, may I ask, which SVC you were at?Originally posted by Rahul.V. View PostHave spent the whole day at SVC and was in front of the bike upon requesting, 2 SVC refused to let me be near bike while service, idk why.
If I think who you are, I might have seen you in the same service center on that day you were there? We were both on the same place on the same day.
Do you remember did any guy who walked up and came near your bike, bent down and took a look at your rear sprockets and went back? If yes, than that was me!
Because I remember there was exact similar bike getting the exact same jobs done, guy was wearing glasses with a hairband!
If its not you then sorry I'm mistaken to someone else.Last edited by kiran2508; 08-07-2020, 10:40 PM.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
Bajaj Discover 135 DTSi Sports - 2009 to Current
KTM RC390 - 2015 to Current
TVS Jupiter - 2016 to Current
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Yes, I was at Auto service Banashankari. I remember you. Your engine was covered and placed in the front right?Originally posted by kiran2508 View PostIf you dont mind, may I ask, which SVC you were at?
If I think who you are, I might have seen you in the same service center on that day you were there? We were both on the same place on the same day.
Do you remember did any guy who walked up and came near your bike, bent down and took a look at your rear sprockets and went back? If yes, than that was me!
Because I remember there was exact similar bike getting the exact same jobs done, guy was wearing glasses with a hairband!
If its not you then sorry I'm mistaken to someone else.
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Hi,
Sorry for the delayed response, I had a bunch of exams that I had to get out of the way but I'm finally done
First of all, thanks to everyone who commented on this, I really appreciate the detailed responses, it is very kind of you, especially [MENTION=59090]kiran2508[/MENTION]
I have attached an image of the final quotation I was given. It is a full engine rebuild for me (he showed me some crank bearing play, but once again, I know absolutely nothing about any of this). However, a lot of the points on crank bearing play/scoring etc seemed to be the case so I believe he was being accurate about it.
I left the bike there till they worked on procuring the parts, I didnt follow up at all due to exams/workload etc. but I dropped by yesterday.
They expect all the parts to arrive by the weekend (today) or early next week, but was hoping to get an idea of how this works. When I enquired, he told me they procure their parts from the distributors directly. It didn't strike me then, but I was just wondering if there is anything to worry about in terms of third-party / non-KTM parts etc. I did tell him I plan on using the bike for another 1-1.5 years, so I wouldn't want him taking that into account and putting in inferior parts etc. (Again, I don't know about this so I'm not sure if this is even a thing).
Apart from that, is there anything I would need to be mindful of?
I stay in Bangalore. I know this is probably unlikely, but in case there is anyone who could possibly come with me once to oversee this is just for a little bit when they start the work sometime next week, I don't mind paying for any of it or buying you lunch/coffee/transport or anything you may deem appropriate. It's just that I'm entirely in over my head here but I could really use some help especially when I'm footing a 50-60k bill, which is really expensive for me considering I recently started working etc.
Thanks!
Originally posted by kiran2508 View PostYour issues looks similar and 80-90% same as mine. Welcome to the club.
22k kms is too soon for needing a full engine rebuild. There is nothing like a new engine. But apart from the inner casings where Engine number is engraved you can pretty much replace everything you want with the engine making it like brand new!
Everything in the bottom end should be OK, I am not sure how much mechanically sound you are, so just don't go by whatever service center says, try verifying manually everything whatever they say needs to be changed and broken, if you dont know how to check, then please post pics here so anyone one of can help or take a friend who knows stuff.
1. Check for crank bearing play(try pulling and pushing on the crank rod up and down). If no play then no need for full rebuild. (99% this should case is my guess given the kms run). So it wont be 45-50K bill if you dont need this job.
2. Check the cylinder walls next, if no scoring(vertical lines) visible on them means you can just only check/change pistons next.
3. Check Piston sides for scoring, if no scroing then replace only the Piston rings, if you see scoring then change only the Pistion
4. Change everything else the top head - 4 valves, valve lapping, valve oil seals, timing chain, both chain guides, Camshaft and Cam rod(optional based on wear)
5. Changing clutch friction plates would be good if you changing everything in the head and pistons.
6. While you are at it changing Coolant Water pump seals would be good as a preventive measure.
Costs expetced before you get into the job. Perpare your wallet
1. Full Rebuild = 40-45K
2. Only Cylinder/Piston block and Head work = 30-35K
3. Only Piston and Head work = 25-30K
4. Only Piston rings and Head work = 15K-18K
5. Head work only = 8-10K
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Re: KTM RC 390 Ownership Experience
YES! That was me and that was my engine which was kept in front with covered in plastic coverOriginally posted by Rahul.V. View PostYes, I was at Auto service Banashankari. I remember you. Your engine was covered and placed in the front right?
What a coincidence to bump into you! Nice!
Can you please let me know where you sourced you the Rolon Gold and the cost? I wanted to get mine replaced to as it was at end of life.
Did you order it from lrlmotors or any shop in Bangalore?
I was about to place an order on lrlmotors, but due to Covid, delivery time is unknown and can get delayed, so held back! Any help in sourcing one for me will be much appreciated!
No problem, I don't mind to drop-in if you want me to come by and offer any help. DM you number.Originally posted by deadlock69 View PostIt is a full engine rebuild for me (he showed me some crank bearing play, but once again, I know absolutely nothing about any of this).
I left the bike there till they worked on procuring the parts, I didnt follow up at all due to exams/workload etc. but I dropped by yesterday.
Apart from that, is there anything I would need to be mindful of?
I stay in Bangalore. I know this is probably unlikely, but in case there is anyone who could possibly come with me once to oversee this is just for a little bit when they start the work sometime next week, I don't mind paying for any of it or buying you lunch/coffee/transport or anything you may deem appropriate. It's just that I'm entirely in over my head here but I could really use some help especially when I'm footing a 50-60k bill, which is really expensive for me considering I recently started working etc.
You mentioned and said that bike is at well known outside garage, Is that garage Lakshmi's or is it somewhere else?
If it as Lakshim's then you have absolutely nothing to worry about, they get all the parts sourced are original KTM, just that they get it from direct Pune dealer than local main sub dealers like Khivraj, RV, Popular etc etc.
For KTM you don't have to worry about anything like fake or thirdparty parts, there are no 3rd party or fake products as of I know for the 390's, given the limited sales and target audience and cost (unlike Activa or Splendors or Pulsar where you ton of 3rd party products) , except for Valves which are sourced by OEM vendors itself Varroc, Timing chain by Rolon/MPE.
P.S. What is the last part mentioned in the estimate "Fuel tank ₹4200"? Are they changing the fuel pump or is the metal fuel tank? 22K kms if too less for fuel pump to go bad, unless you have always ran with less than 2-3L of petrol in the bike.Last edited by kiran2508; 08-08-2020, 02:11 PM.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
Bajaj Discover 135 DTSi Sports - 2009 to Current
KTM RC390 - 2015 to Current
TVS Jupiter - 2016 to Current
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Thank you so much! This would be of great help
I have DM'ed you the details, but just for general knowledge too, I'm posting on the thread, it'll serve as a good reference for price parts too. I have given it at Highlander, HSR Layout.
I believe you found the price of everything else acceptable. Fuel tank has some leakage issue (which had actually been plaguing me for the longest time, but KTM was never able to/didn't make the effort to fix it) and the price is for the whole metal body. Since I'm getting everything that had to be fixed done now, I decided to just replace the entire part. However, I always fill full tank, so I'm not sure of why it happened.
Originally posted by kiran2508 View Post
No problem, I don't mind to drop-in if you want me to come by and offer any help. DM you number.
You mentioned and said that bike is at well known outside garage, Is that garage Lakshmi's or is it somewhere else?
If it as Lakshim's then you have absolutely nothing to worry about, they get all the parts sourced are original KTM, just that they get it from direct Pune dealer than local main sub dealers like Khivraj, RV, Popular etc etc.
For KTM you don't have to worry about anything like fake or thirdparty parts, there are no 3rd party or fake products as of I know for the 390's, given the limited sales and target audience and cost (unlike Activa or Splendors or Pulsar where you ton of 3rd party products) , except for Valves which are sourced by OEM vendors itself Varroc, Timing chain by Rolon/MPE.
P.S. What is the last part mentioned in the estimate "Fuel tank ₹4200"? Are they changing the fuel pump or is the metal fuel tank? 22K kms if too less for fuel pump to go bad, unless you have always ran with less than 2-3L of petrol in the bike.Last edited by deadlock69; 08-08-2020, 02:35 PM.
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