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  • Re: 2017 Duke 250

    Originally posted by kiran2508 View Post
    ABS is yet to be announced, the wait is not far now that it's competition FZ25 has launched with Dual channel ABS, it should happen withing 1st week for Feb! That to 250 will be getting Dual channel ABS! It'll be worth the wait.

    250 makes a perfect choice, right on the sweet spot, the only thing missing on that was the ABS and those MRF tyres, which you can get rid of after 10-15K kms.
    Hey guys,
    Any news on the abs version of duke 250?
    When i went to ktm showroom they mentioned end of march or later. Hoping thats wrong

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    • Re: 2017 Duke 250

      Originally posted by Viswar4 View Post
      Hey guys,
      Any news on the abs version of duke 250?
      When i went to ktm showroom they mentioned end of march or later. Hoping thats wrong
      In all probability, to keep prices in check, the D250 would get the same treatment as the Duke 200 that's the single channel ABS on offer. Rumor mills are churning out that the ABS equipped version would be launched next month. Eventually, it will and have to be launched with ABS. Single or Dual is anyone's guess. My bets are with the single-channel to keep prices in check.

      Cheers!
      VJ
      Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
      The girl said, 'NO!'


      And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


      THE END

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      • Re: 2017 Duke 250

        Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
        In all probability, to keep prices in check, the D250 would get the same treatment as the Duke 200 that's the single channel ABS on offer. Rumor mills are churning out that the ABS equipped version would be launched next month. Eventually, it will and have to be launched with ABS. Single or Dual is anyone's guess. My bets are with the single-channel to keep prices in check.

        Cheers!
        VJ
        With the price of CB300R out at 2.41L, KTM-Bajaj has plenty of scope to add Dual Channel ABS and some more to D250 to still market it as a bargain compared to the Honda.
        With a bigger tank, very wide coverage and lower spare parts cost, D250/D390 still come out as more VFM bike in Indian market only beaten by cousin Dominar.
        Regards,
        Akash Yadav

        The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.

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        • Re: 2017 Duke 250

          Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post
          With the price of CB300R out at 2.41L, KTM-Bajaj has plenty of scope to add Dual Channel ABS and some more to D250 to still market it as a bargain compared to the Honda.
          With a bigger tank, very wide coverage and lower spare parts cost, D250/D390 still come out as more VFM bike in Indian market only beaten by cousin Dominar.
          With Duke 390 sales going down for the past three quarter consecutively, it's not looking good for the upper end of the spectrum for KTM. With 125, 200, 250, 390 their entire gamut for the Indian Masala is almost perfectly concocted. Is the CB300 expensive compared to the Duke? Definite yes. But do we get quality equipment in return? That's another double definite yes. The biggest mistake people do is look at a motorcycle for top speed, almost instantaneously. Only to regret it later.

          The Indian scene is opening the gamut slowly yet steadily, it's only time you can see a slew of parallel twins. All it takes one odd-ball move and the entire shift focuses from single to parallel twin. Top it up with affordability like our REI 650, things are definitely getting squeezed for Indian manufacturers.

          Cheers!
          VJ
          Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
          The girl said, 'NO!'


          And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


          THE END

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          • Re: 2017 Duke 250

            Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
            With Duke 390 sales going down for the past three quarter consecutively, it's not looking good for the upper end of the spectrum for KTM. With 125, 200, 250, 390 their entire gamut for the Indian Masala is almost perfectly concocted. Is the CB300 expensive compared to the Duke? Definite yes. But do we get quality equipment in return? That's another double definite yes. The biggest mistake people do is look at a motorcycle for top speed, almost instantaneously. Only to regret it later.

            The Indian scene is opening the gamut slowly yet steadily, it's only time you can see a slew of parallel twins. All it takes one odd-ball move and the entire shift focuses from single to parallel twin. Top it up with affordability like our REI 650, things are definitely getting squeezed for Indian manufacturers.

            Cheers!
            VJ
            A 100% agree.
            KTM lineup for India doesn't leave anything in the void.
            KTM really needs to put their bikes alongside Yamaha/Suzuki/Honda and see the difference in quality.
            Longevity of KTM is another grey area since we do tend to hear a lot of tiny but irritating niggles.
            650 twins is a massive bomb drop on Bajaj-KTM, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Triumph and Harley.
            Regards,
            Akash Yadav

            The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.

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            • Re: 2017 Duke 250

              Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post
              A 100% agree.
              KTM lineup for India doesn't leave anything in the void.
              KTM really needs to put their bikes alongside Yamaha/Suzuki/Honda and see the difference in quality.
              Longevity of KTM is another grey area since we do tend to hear a lot of tiny but irritating niggles.
              650 twins is a massive bomb drop on Bajaj-KTM, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Triumph and Harley.
              Talking about quality, is the quality of KTM's really that bad? I have no first hand experience with KTM. Currently I ride a 2012 model 200NS and it's quite reliable(Engine not opened till now) with ODO around 81,000 km. I just think that, when a 200NS is this much reliable, why a KTM can't have the same reliability and quality, which is supposed to be more premium than Bajaj. As you can see, usually I hold on to my vehicles much longer and don't change them often. I love 2017 Duke 390, but so many posts about quality and reliability is holding me back. Please post your experience's friends.
              Last edited by Jackharrisw; 02-10-2019, 07:23 PM.

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              • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                Originally posted by Jackharrisw View Post
                Talking about quality, is the quality of KTM's really that bad? I have no first hand experience with KTM. Currently I ride a 2012 model 200NS and it's quite reliable(Engine not opened till now) with ODO around 81,000 km. I just think that, when a 200NS is this much reliable, why a KTM can't have the same reliability and quality, which is supposed to be more premium than Bajaj. As you can see, usually I hold on to my vehicles much longer and don't change them often. I love 2017 Duke 390, but so many posts about quality and reliability is holding me back. Please post your experience's friends.
                First things first, KTM is tuned for a very high compression ratio, which essentially puts more pressure on the parts. But then, KTM also uses some of the best parts in it's category.
                So, this argument of high compression ratio is basically not my cup of tea.

                Secondly, KTM machines are a lot popular among the population with barely the knowledge of anything apart from riding it. Now, here mechanics play a crucial role. These machines are built to the spec and built with precision. You know what's bad with that ? Give that machine for repairs in the hands of a rookie and there goes the reliability down the drain. Over-torquing or under torquing bolts is 99.9% common in India. Yes, surprisingly no one thinks it useful, not even the high tech popular repair shops. :facepalm:

                Then comes the question of poor training, for example, fork repair mechanics wash the insides of fork with petrol, which messes up the job later. They use AP3 grease on wheel bearings, any grease on brake calipers, and the list goes on and on. There is no end to such dubious work.

                Precision made machines need good or atleast average mechanics with good knowledge of mechanicals. What we have is mechanics who can tear down engines by opening a few bolts, hammering it with a sledge hammer, but they can't even do basic service properly or precisely.

                That's my rant for today. Goodluck with your purchase and future study.

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                • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                  Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post
                  First things first, KTM is tuned for a very high compression ratio, which essentially puts more pressure on the parts. But then, KTM also uses some of the best parts in it's category.
                  So, this argument of high compression ratio is basically not my cup of tea.

                  Secondly, KTM machines are a lot popular among the population with barely the knowledge of anything apart from riding it. Now, here mechanics play a crucial role. These machines are built to the spec and built with precision. You know what's bad with that ? Give that machine for repairs in the hands of a rookie and there goes the reliability down the drain. Over-torquing or under torquing bolts is 99.9% common in India. Yes, surprisingly no one thinks it useful, not even the high tech popular repair shops. :facepalm:

                  Then comes the question of poor training, for example, fork repair mechanics wash the insides of fork with petrol, which messes up the job later. They use AP3 grease on wheel bearings, any grease on brake calipers, and the list goes on and on. There is no end to such dubious work.

                  Precision made machines need good or atleast average mechanics with good knowledge of mechanicals. What we have is mechanics who can tear down engines by opening a few bolts, hammering it with a sledge hammer, but they can't even do basic service properly or precisely.

                  That's my rant for today. Goodluck with your purchase and future study.
                  Absolutely true.
                  In order to open more SVCs, the dealers go on a rampage and hire anyone and give no training.
                  You can always see how clueless some of these mechanics are when you bring to them a problem.
                  Either you have a very competent SVC nearby or settle for a humbler and simpler bike.
                  I moved from Duke 200 to P220 because of this reason.
                  Regards,
                  Akash Yadav

                  The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.

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                  • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                    Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post
                    Absolutely true.
                    In order to open more SVCs, the dealers go on a rampage and hire anyone and give no training.
                    You can always see how clueless some of these mechanics are when you bring to them a problem.
                    Either you have a very competent SVC nearby or settle for a humbler and simpler bike.
                    I moved from Duke 200 to P220 because of this reason.
                    Or either you come and visit me every service. [emoji23]
                    Cheers mate !
                    I am on a pulsar 150 and looking for a simpler on and off road motorcycle for myself despite knowing the know how, sometimes the schedule doesn't allow much free time for sitting down and repairing things.

                    And you rightly said it all.

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                    • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                      Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post
                      First things first, KTM is tuned for a very high compression ratio, which essentially puts more pressure on the parts. But then, KTM also uses some of the best parts in it's category.
                      So, this argument of high compression ratio is basically not my cup of tea.

                      Secondly, KTM machines are a lot popular among the population with barely the knowledge of anything apart from riding it. Now, here mechanics play a crucial role. These machines are built to the spec and built with precision. You know what's bad with that ? Give that machine for repairs in the hands of a rookie and there goes the reliability down the drain. Over-torquing or under torquing bolts is 99.9% common in India. Yes, surprisingly no one thinks it useful, not even the high tech popular repair shops. :facepalm:

                      Then comes the question of poor training, for example, fork repair mechanics wash the insides of fork with petrol, which messes up the job later. They use AP3 grease on wheel bearings, any grease on brake calipers, and the list goes on and on. There is no end to such dubious work.

                      Precision made machines need good or atleast average mechanics with good knowledge of mechanicals. What we have is mechanics who can tear down engines by opening a few bolts, hammering it with a sledge hammer, but they can't even do basic service properly or precisely.

                      That's my rant for today. Goodluck with your purchase and future study.
                      Haha. ^ this. About the bolts though, Seems like all manufacturers are on a mission to save costs here.

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                      • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                        Suggestions & solutions if any of my problems below relating to my D250.
                        * The throttle kept idle at mid-high rev range when riding, i am sure it doesn't relate to engine temperature.
                        * I check the accelerator cable but it's not the problem, somehow it stuck on the mid-high rev range when suddenly building up speed in traffic. If it happens, i just rev very hard 4-5 times then it comes back to normal.
                        Pls help guys

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                        • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                          Originally posted by Xothana View Post
                          * The throttle kept idle at mid-high rev range when riding, i am sure it doesn't relate to engine temperature.
                          * I check the accelerator cable but it's not the problem, somehow it stuck on the mid-high rev range when suddenly building up speed in traffic.
                          From the description looks to a faulty Throttle position sensor(TPS) issue and/or throttle cable getting stuck near the throttle body area. Check for the resistance variation from the TPS by varying throttle to start with.

                          Also, does the revs vary when you turn the handle bar from left side to right side? If the cable is getting dragged in anyway?
                          Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
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                          KTM RC390 - 2015 to Curr​ent
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                          • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                            Originally posted by Xothana View Post
                            Suggestions & solutions if any of my problems below relating to my D250.
                            * The throttle kept idle at mid-high rev range when riding, i am sure it doesn't relate to engine temperature.
                            * I check the accelerator cable but it's not the problem, somehow it stuck on the mid-high rev range when suddenly building up speed in traffic. If it happens, i just rev very hard 4-5 times then it comes back to normal.
                            Pls help guys
                            Your idle stepper motor is getting jammed or faulty. A faulty idle stepper motor would mean, the motor works intermittently which in turn would cause erratic RPMs. Get it checked.

                            Cheers!
                            VJ
                            Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                            The girl said, 'NO!'


                            And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                            THE END

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                            • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                              Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post
                              With the price of CB300R out at 2.41L, KTM-Bajaj has plenty of scope to add Dual Channel ABS and some more to D250 to still market it as a bargain compared to the Honda.
                              With a bigger tank, very wide coverage and lower spare parts cost, D250/D390 still come out as more VFM bike in Indian market only beaten by cousin Dominar.
                              Honda is much lighter, has higher displacement so likely will offer much more usable power over d250. I think honda is priced expensive but not much. I got a 390 but would ve been confused if honda was launched earlier. A lot of reasons for that would be simplicity.

                              I do wish ktm launched a simpler version of d390, keep everything from d250, just add single channel abs. Price it 20k lower than top spec model with colour tft. That would be killer. I might trade in my 390 for that few years down the line.

                              Originally posted by Jackharrisw View Post
                              Talking about quality, is the quality of KTM's really that bad? I have no first hand experience with KTM. Currently I ride a 2012 model 200NS and it's quite reliable(Engine not opened till now) with ODO around 81,000 km. I just think that, when a 200NS is this much reliable, why a KTM can't have the same reliability and quality, which is supposed to be more premium than Bajaj. As you can see, usually I hold on to my vehicles much longer and don't change them often. I love 2017 Duke 390, but so many posts about quality and reliability is holding me back. Please post your experience's friends.
                              Duke 200 is said to be quite reliable and also fuel efficient.

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                              • Re: 2017 Duke 250

                                Originally posted by Viswar4 View Post
                                Any news on the abs version of duke 250?
                                Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                                My bets are with the single-channel to keep prices in check.
                                Surprise surprise Now launched with Dual-channel ABS which is switchable!
                                For only a nominal price hike of ₹14,000 ex-showroom price of ₹1.94L! I'd say that's a steal deal

                                With the new safety norms ready to be implemented from April 1, 2019 all the two wheeler brands in the country are in a hurry to equip their 125-cc and higher capacity engine motorcycles with ABS as standard. KTM Duke 250 is the latest bike in the list to be launched with ABS. KTM has offered a dual-channel ABS unit in the Duke 250.
                                Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
                                Bajaj Discover 135 DTSi Sports - 2009 to Current
                                KTM RC390 - 2015 to Curr​ent
                                TVS Jupiter - 2016 to Current

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