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**ajextreme** · 04-12-2018, 07:40 PM

Re: Apache RTR 160/FI

First check if it is 110/80-17 size tires or 100/80-18 size.

If 17 inch then zapper c 110/80-17 is the perfect choice. Or upgrade to 120/80-17 massester x. Anything bigger is not advisable.

If 18 inch, then 100/90-18 masseter x, zapper vyde from mrf gives you best grip in both wet and dry conditions. There are plenty options in 100/90-18 size. Getting the same profile as stock 100/80-18 is difficult apart from tvs tires.

**Hitesh Harry** · 04-14-2018, 09:45 AM

Apache 160 cylinder swap with 200 4v

Hello everyone, i am currently working on a Apache RTR 160 on the visual front, like drastically change it into a sports bike with ferring. I have some queries and doubts about the engine mods, as i had read earlier ihave two questions-

1. Can i replace the cylinder and head with one from a 200 4v, if yes what kind of ignition and wirings i have to replace. If no can i replace the cylinder and head from RTR 180? , What changes i have to make to other parts of the engine like tge crankshaft or timing etc.

2. Can i make the engine oil cooled with radiator like we see on the pulsar 220, if yes will it be helpful to increasing the thermal efficiency or performance?

**ajextreme** · 04-14-2018, 06:55 PM

Re: Apache 160 cylinder swap with 200 4v

Originally posted by Hitesh Harry View Post

Hello everyone, i am currently working on a Apache RTR 160 on the visual front, like drastically change it into a sports bike with ferring. I have some queries and doubts about the engine mods, as i had read earlier ihave two questions-

1. Can i replace the cylinder and head with one from a 200 4v, if yes what kind of ignition and wirings i have to replace. If no can i replace the cylinder and head from RTR 180? , What changes i have to make to other parts of the engine like tge crankshaft or timing etc.

2. Can i make the engine oil cooled with radiator like we see on the pulsar 220, if yes will it be helpful to increasing the thermal efficiency or performance?

1. Cylinder block and head should be a direct fit of 180. I doubt if the block from 200 will be a easy mod. No changes required in my opinion. Maybe the exhaust port on the engine block may require little work to fit the bend pipe of exhaust.

2. Yes you can complete this modification too. There is a seperate thread on this forum regarding oil cooled conversion of rtr 180.

**SARAB_FI** · 07-30-2018, 04:58 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by prashantbhat25 View Post

I have been using FI since 2009 now. The bike has been running very well all these years with no problems with respect to FI system. Have to take care of the Petrol quality though. You have to ensure that the petrol pump is a well managed one. Faced problems twice due to water and mud in petrol because of which I had to replace the fuel pump. Just this year I am facing problems due to wiring issues; facing regular fuse blow-outs. Service Centre guys are saying it is the old wiring that is causing the problems. With respect to reliability, I feel it depends on how rough is your handling. I am more of a smooth rider but I love to go above 100 whenever the road permits. I have read many complaints with respect to FI performance but thankfully I have never faced such issues. It would also depend on how proficient is your service centre. I had found a good one near my office which kept my bike in tip top condition. Most of the Service Centre guys are not adept in handling, tuning and maintaining the FI Setup and that is what is causing the problems for many owners here.

Riding FI since July 2008,initially the bike did have some power lag issues but TVS replaced ECU, injector and fuel pump in 2009 itself. Since then she performed flawless, had been to several long rides like Delhi-Pune and several extreme rides to upper Himalayas without any issue. However, recent FI models came in with Bosch FI systems while mine was equipped with Delphi system. Therefore, there is an acute shortage as TVS just do not stock Delphi FI parts now citing very limited no. of Delphi system bikes.

Originally posted by ajextreme View Post

No issue in converting to carburettor. But the main pain area will be getting the coil and magneto to supply power to the carb wiring. I had converted to a carb but had to keep the wiring of fi bike and ecu as the tps. Not sure how the mechanic you know has done it using the carb bike's wiring kit. It was a costly affair for me and i would not go down the path of conversion without proper knowledge.

How much you paid for conversion? As TVS SVC recommending the same to me as they are not able to source the Fuel pump module for my bike.

**ajayputti** · 07-30-2018, 08:18 PM

Apache RTR/FI

Guys hi,

I got a new RTR 200 FI for myself this April. Bike feels flawless most of the time.
But especially Durning the cold starts it doesn't start in one push of start. It takes minimum 2 attempts every time. Also when I try tobwarm up the engine during cold starts it turns off. When moving in slow speeds engine turns off and doesn't start immediately.
Any of these signs show any problem with the FI system?

During the initial days I have reported the issue to the SVC and it seemed they have no clue about it. Told me there is no issue.
But I'm sure there is some issue.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ajay

**Revminister** · 07-30-2018, 08:45 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by ajayputti View Post

Guys hi,

I got a new RTR 200 FI for myself this April. Bike feels flawless most of the time.
But especially Durning the cold starts it doesn't start in one push of start. It takes minimum 2 attempts every time. Also when I try tobwarm up the engine during cold starts it turns off. When moving in slow speeds engine turns off and doesn't start immediately.
Any of these signs show any problem with the FI system?

During the initial days I have reported the issue to the SVC and it seemed they have no clue about it. Told me there is no issue.
But I'm sure there is some issue.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ajay

Hi ajay....i had a similar problem with my maestro edge...there is a small fuel filter before the FI get that cleaned...and change the place from where you get your petrol filled....the fuel may have impurities....such things were very common with the old mercedes fuel pumps

**ajayputti** · 08-09-2018, 01:35 AM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Revminister View Post

Hi ajay....i had a similar problem with my maestro edge...there is a small fuel filter before the FI get that cleaned...and change the place from where you get your petrol filled....the fuel may have impurities....such things were very common with the old mercedes fuel pumps

Thanks for the help. I will get the same checked and see the results.

Ajay

**Arwin07** · 09-24-2018, 11:24 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Arwin07 View Post

Hi. This is my first post in the forum.
For the past 3 months, my 2010 Apache 160 Fi stops randomly while running and doesn't restart. TVS showrooms ran ECU diagnostics and told to replace Wiring kit and Throttle position sensor. But I am not able to get the parts through TVS. I had already replaced ECU in 2015.
The service engineer recommend me to convert my Fuel injector into carburettor using carburettor of RTR 160 as parts are not available.
Are there any cons to convert my Fi to carburettor?

Hi friends. I have successfully converted my eFI to carburettor as I couldn't source the spares.
The work was done in TVS service centre itself. They have already done in 15 or so bikes so far.
The wiring of eFI was retained. They didn't remove any parts of eFI including ECU. So if in future I get spares, I have the option of going back to eFi. Carburettor added but On-off-reserve switch not installed.
It cost Rs.3500 for labour, spares and routine service.
I have already done 5000 kilometres after the conversion and no problems so far. My Odo is 56,000 km. Bought in early 2010.
Exhaust note, pick up are the same. Mileage decreased slightly from 58kmpl to 55kmpl.

P.S: I accidentally deleted this post twice when I tried to edit.

**Aswinlogi** · 09-25-2018, 07:34 AM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Arwin07 View Post

Hi friends. I have successfully converted my eFI to carburettor as I couldn't source the spares.
The work was done in TVS service centre itself. They have already done in 15 or so bikes so far.
The wiring of eFI was retained. They didn't remove any parts of eFI including ECU. So if in future I get spares, I have the option of going back to eFi. Carburettor added but On-off-reserve switch not installed.
It cost Rs.3500 for labour, spares and routine service.
I have already done 5000 kilometres after the conversion and no problems so far. My Odo is 56,000 km. Bought in early 2010.
Exhaust note, pick up are the same. Mileage decreased slightly from 58kmpl to 55kmpl.

P.S: I accidentally deleted this post twice when I tried to edit.

Hi Arwin

1. Did you flashes (remapped) your ECU ? I have heard doing so will cost the engine damage !

2.Do you hope carburetor variant is much easy to maintain than the FI variant ?

**Arwin07** · 09-27-2018, 09:00 AM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post

Hi Arwin

1. Did you flashes (remapped) your ECU ? I have heard doing so will cost the engine damage !

2.Do you hope carburetor variant is much easy to maintain than the FI variant ?

1. No.
2. I did out of necessity as Fi failed after 45,000 Kms and I couldn't get spares. Fi is as reliable as carburettor. I didn't have any major problems with Fi in the first 45,000kms. Now the carburettor also is running without problems in the 5500kms after changing.

**Aswinlogi** · 09-27-2018, 09:48 AM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Arwin07 View Post

1. No.
2. I did out of necessity as Fi failed after 45,000 Kms and I couldn't get spares. Fi is as reliable as carburettor. I didn't have any major problems with Fi in the first 45,000kms. Now the carburettor also is running without problems in the 5500kms after changing.

Ok bro I am awaiting for my new Apache 160 4v dual disc variant (next month probably) , I can also opt for FI variant but it costs around 7K more than Carb variant !

Your suggestions are welcomed !!

Cheers ,

[emoji56]Logi.

**Arwin07** · 09-27-2018, 11:18 AM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post

Ok bro I am awaiting for my new Apache 160 4v dual disc variant (next month probably) , I can also opt for FI variant but it costs around 7K more than Carb variant !

Your suggestions are welcomed !!

Cheers ,

[emoji56]Logi.

Here are my few pointers for you to make a decision yourself:
1. The ECU in my 2009 model is from a different vendor than the ECU in current Apaches. The current one is said to be more reliable.
2. If you live around a city, there will be no problem. You drive into the workshop at the first hint of any problem. I was living in a remote area when the fuel injection began to fail. So I had a difficult time and had to get my motorcycle towed to nearest city, rich was good 60km. In rural and remote areas, carburettor makes sense as even a local mechanic can fix it.
3. Fuel injection was more fuel efficient, by 3-5kmpl. But pickup and engine exhaust sound are the same.

Maybe experienced members here can help you better to decide.
Cheers.

**Aswinlogi** · 09-27-2018, 04:12 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Arwin07 View Post

Here are my few pointers for you to make a decision yourself:
1. The ECU in my 2009 model is from a different vendor than the ECU in current Apaches. The current one is said to be more reliable.
2. If you live around a city, there will be no problem. You drive into the workshop at the first hint of any problem. I was living in a remote area when the fuel injection began to fail. So I had a difficult time and had to get my motorcycle towed to nearest city, rich was good 60km. In rural and remote areas, carburettor makes sense as even a local mechanic can fix it.
3. Fuel injection was more fuel efficient, by 3-5kmpl. But pickup and engine exhaust sound are the same.

Maybe experienced members here can help you better to decide.
Cheers.

Yeah one great advantage in FI is fuel can't be stolen LoL,as the fuel prices are skyrocketing daily, I fear of that knob (easily fuel can be stolen!)

I reside in a big town neither a City nor a village .

But carb variant is a way cheaper around Rs. 7,000 than FI so it's better to choose the carb I hope so !!

If a simple calculation is made , with that 7K money, I would rather fill the fuel of 80 Litres ~ assuming mileage as 45 km/pl that can munch around 3400+ kms !!!

Or simply spend it on Helmet, gloves. rather!

Am I thinking wisely ?? IDK !!![emoji41][emoji848][emoji848]

Seniors need your help !!

Thanks .

**monatara** · 10-20-2019, 12:00 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by Arwin07 View Post

Hi friends. I have successfully converted my eFI to carburettor as I couldn't source the spares.
The work was done in TVS service centre itself. They have already done in 15 or so bikes so far.
The wiring of eFI was retained. They didn't remove any parts of eFI including ECU. So if in future I get spares, I have the option of going back to eFi. Carburettor added but On-off-reserve switch not installed.
It cost Rs.3500 for labour, spares and routine service.
I have already done 5000 kilometres after the conversion and no problems so far. My Odo is 56,000 km. Bought in early 2010.
Exhaust note, pick up are the same. Mileage decreased slightly from 58kmpl to 55kmpl.

P.S: I accidentally deleted this post twice when I tried to edit.

Hi Arwin,

Where did you convert the fi to carb? Help to share the contact and address. I'm in Tamilnadu near Salem.

**Arwin07** · 10-20-2019, 03:58 PM

Re: Apache RTR/FI

Originally posted by monatara View Post

Hi Arwin,

Where did you convert the fi to carb? Help to share the contact and address. I'm in Tamilnadu near Salem.

I changed it in Sathyajothi TVS, KK Nagar, Madurai.
It's been 12000kms without any problems.

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