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  • #7321
    Originally posted by haxor View Post
    Common with new Bikes!

    Dont worry gear shifting will get smooth after 1-2 service
    I agree with haxor.

    Many guys with newly brought Apache are complaining about the Bike vibrations and the gear shifting problems. I had the same complaints when I got my Apache as well.

    The engine and the gear shifting will become smooth after the 2nd service. Also you can change the engine oil to some better oils like synthetic or fully synthetic after some time. That will make the bike much more smoother and the gear shifting will also benefit a lot.

    I have completed 7500 kms in my RTR 160 and I am using Motul 300V engine oil. Now the bike is really smooth and I have no complaints at all.

    Cheers,

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    • #7322
      Originally posted by nizarp View Post
      I agree with haxor.

      Many guys with newly brought Apache are complaining about the Bike vibrations and the gear shifting problems. I had the same complaints when I got my Apache as well.

      The engine and the gear shifting will become smooth after the 2nd service. Also you can change the engine oil to some better oils like synthetic or fully synthetic after some time. That will make the bike much more smoother and the gear shifting will also benefit a lot.

      I have completed 7500 kms in my RTR 160 and I am using Motul 300V engine oil. Now the bike is really smooth and I have no complaints at all.

      Cheers,
      run the bike on Mineral Oil till 4k ,
      then shift to SS
      Speak Less,Speak Wise!

      Sarcasm is my automatic response to stupidity.

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      • #7323
        sprocketing done

        Alright, finally i changed my A150's sprocket and chain set. I couldnt find the stock set or the RTR 160's set so had to settle with RTR 180's set as nothing else was available anywhere in bhopal. I searched for 3 hrs but no avail. The stock teeth were 13T for front and 43T for the rear. Now it is 14T for the front and 46T at the rear with '' O-ring' chains. I am extremely happy with the low and mid range performance as the the bike is very responsive than before in city traffic .

        Will there be any disadvantages except for the lower top end because i have jumped +3 T on the rear sprocket size ??

        regards

        addy

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        • #7324
          Originally posted by addyrulz01 View Post
          Alright, finally i changed my A150's sprocket and chain set. I couldnt find the stock set or the RTR 160's set so had to settle with RTR 180's set as nothing else was available anywhere in bhopal. I searched for 3 hrs but no avail. The stock teeth were 13T for front and 43T for the rear. Now it is 14T for the front and 46T at the rear with '' O-ring' chains. I am extremely happy with the low and mid range performance as the the bike is very responsive than before in city traffic .

          Will there be any disadvantages except for the lower top end because i have jumped +3 T on the rear sprocket size ??

          regards

          addy
          Addy you have jumped 3 t at the back sprocket..but you also jumped 1 t at the front..which almost equate to ,the same as stock.
          You have in fact reduced the ratio marginally and top end will be better.
          43 /13 =3.30. 46/14 =3.285.
          When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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          • #7325
            Originally posted by psr View Post
            Addy you have jumped 3 t at the back sprocket..but you also jumped 1 t at the front..which almost equate to ,the same as stock.
            You have in fact reduced the ratio marginally and top end will be better.
            43 /13 =3.30. 46/14 =3.285.
            thats great news . thank you

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            • #7326
              Originally posted by addyrulz01 View Post
              thats great news . thank you
              If i remember you have an RTR also ?You are still using it.
              When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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              • #7327
                Originally posted by psr View Post
                If i remember you have an RTR also ?You are still using it.
                No No i dont have an RTR. I just have an A150 and its running like a dream now

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                • #7328
                  RTR*4


                  Our RTR's Care taker - Arun!
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                  • #7329
                    Originally posted by psr View Post
                    Addy you have jumped 3 t at the back sprocket..but you also jumped 1 t at the front..which almost equate to ,the same as stock.
                    You have in fact reduced the ratio marginally and top end will be better.
                    43 /13 =3.30. 46/14 =3.285.
                    Doubt..

                    After sprocketing, the drive ratio has actually decreased a bit, as said above. Now AFAIK, a shorter gearing helps in pick up (as addy experienced), and takes a toll on top speed. How can shorter gearing improve top speed..?
                    Or basically, how can a change in gear ratio improve both pick up and top speed..?

                    PS : Sorry for OT.
                    MOTORCYCLING IS AS MUCH ART AS IT IS SCIENCE

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                    • #7330
                      Originally posted by sooraj_vs View Post
                      Doubt..

                      After sprocketing, the drive ratio has actually decreased a bit, as said above. Now AFAIK, a shorter gearing helps in pick up (as addy experienced), and takes a toll on top speed. How can shorter gearing improve top speed..?
                      Or basically, how can a change in gear ratio improve both pick up and top speed..?

                      PS : Sorry for OT.
                      Sooraj it is the ratio.What this means is that,in the old sprocket set, for every 3.3 turns of primary (small) sprocket the rear sprocket rotates ONCE.
                      In the new sprocket set ratio, for every 3.28 turns of primary sprocket the rear sprocket turns ONCE.
                      As you can see now with lesser turns of the primary sprocket the rear wheel rotates once...so,not only the top end ,but the entire RPM to speed range will be extended throughout the RPM.
                      Because the Apache has power to spare at lower gearing,it is able to pull well,and the improved ratio gives better RPM to speed,than earlier.
                      Last edited by psr; 11-24-2010, 11:35 AM.
                      When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                      • #7331
                        Originally posted by onlinesatish View Post
                        RTR*4


                        Our RTR's Care taker - Arun!
                        Cool pics, Satish!!

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                        • #7332
                          Can anyone tell me the easiest way to remove the red rim tapes on the alloy? I dont want to use blade as it'll cause removal of paint.
                          Speak Less,Speak Wise!

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                          • #7333
                            Engine head rebuild

                            Yesterday took a leave from office and did the pending job of the engine. In the first half open the head and take it to the Grinder. In the meanwhile purchased two new valves & two oil seal from TVS spare shop. Using those new valves the lathewala grind the valve seats and valves. After grinding he also check the valve sealing by pouring some petrol in the in & out manifold. The job was neat. Return home around 2 PM and after lunch start the rebuilding job which took me almost 2.5 hours. Every thing was running OK apart from the tappet settings. Completed the job around 6 PM and took the bike for a spin. Seems the valves are sounding too much. Start for the second time adjustment of the tappets and after half an our the settings got restored. Ride the bike once for around 5 km and seems everything perfect. Now today morning replaced the engine oil and filter and the feelings are much better then before. Engine is much smoother along with the gearshift and secondly the engine response is very specific. Hope everything will be OK in future, fingers crossed.

                            Total Cost:
                            In & OUT Valve & two oil seal : 521.00
                            Veedol 10w 40 & oil filter: 300.00
                            Grinding Job: 60.00
                            Labour : Priceless ( with mild back pain)

                            Thanks everybody for help and encouragement.

                            Here are some pictures for you.
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                            • #7334
                              Thanks for the pics. I do not understand as to what exactly was the symptom&what was done. Can you please explain in more detail as to what was the problem you faced&how you went about this?
                              Please help me out as I have no mechanical knowledge&this needs to be done on my Fiero F2 also.
                              If you would like to discuss over chat/mail me some pics, my id is [email protected]
                              Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                              • #7335
                                Originally posted by psr View Post
                                Sooraj it is the ratio.What this means is that,in the old sprocket set, for every 3.3 turns of primary (small) sprocket the rear sprocket rotates ONCE.
                                In the new sprocket set ratio, for every 3.28 turns of primary sprocket the rear sprocket turns ONCE.
                                As you can see now with lesser turns of the primary sprocket the rear wheel rotates once...so,not only the top end ,but the entire RPM to speed range will be extended throughout the RPM.
                                Because the Apache has power to spare at lower gearing,it is able to pull well,and the improved ratio gives better RPM to speed,than earlier.

                                Ok, I agree. But I still have doubt. When the wheel rotates more no. of times, it boosts top speed. But it should either maintain or drop accelaration. Otherwise, if both can be boosted, then why not make the ratio so small that it gives tremendous performance advantage..?

                                PS : Should we take it to the Sprockets thread..?
                                MOTORCYCLING IS AS MUCH ART AS IT IS SCIENCE

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