Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated


My FE a year ago was nearly 49-50 when I dont go over 50KMPH(did it deliberately to check max mileage) and the least FE was 46 when I start maxing out(staying 70+ and touching 90-100 often).

But in this last year, I got this FE reduced drastically and I get only 42-44 with this starting trouble worsened. I was using Shell Full Synthetic oil till now and moved to semi synthetic to check if that could help me in starting trouble.

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sure buddy, will try it this weekend and check if this improves the performance.


BTW, my choke is not working. Had clutch plate replaced two weeks before and I think the mechanic didn't finish it properly. Even the clutch doesn't work sometimes when the bike is off. Going to take it to him this weekend. (I completely damaged my clutch revving 7+ during the flood in Chennai last month).

Re: Airfilter Change - Honda Dazzler

Knowing the kind of workloads that the ASC works under, and the hilariously low servicing costs specified by OEMs that they have to adhere to,
it is very likely that he just mentioned "Air filter cleaning" so that he could add on labour charges for that.

Basically, you are less likely to fight against the amount of the total bill if he rattles off a long list of stuff that he has done (whether or not he has actually done it)

The ASC staff have enough training to know not to clean a viscous filter.

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

ok, I am a little confused here. Can you tell me if I am seeing it correctly. I have marked the brass pipe and a screw that I am supposed to adjust for AFR setting in the image(orange and green colored circle).

Can you tell me if am correct or is it some other screw and pipe that I should be looking upon.

Left:


Right:

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

Screw with orange circle is the afr screw

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

thanks mate.. got it..

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ok I finally did it. Got the engine to heat up a little before I started tuning. I achieved max RPM at 3 and the AFR screw is now somewhere around 1.7-1.8. After completing, I have set my idle RPM at 1.2.

And now I see most of my problems disappear. I used to rev the engine often not to let it shut down when idling. Now, I don't need to bother about it. It is back to normal again. I have one doubt though.. When turning on the engine when it is cold, it still needs a little time to get up running properly or else it switches off if I try to rev.

Do you think I should still tune it for optimal, like (1.9~2) as you suggested, or just increase my idle RPM to 1.5.

Before I started all this, I calculated the turns and it was somewhere from 2.5~3.

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

When turning on cold engine , use choke and kick start it . Then turn off choke after 5-6 secs and let it idle on its own . After a minute or so start riding. My unicorn shows same characteristics but xtreme doesnt , it never requires choke to start , just touch the starter and it starts on half click and idles like a gatling gun

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

Thanks for your help. I have no problems while riding my Dazzler. Is using choke the only option to start my bike daily when the engine gets cold? I never had this issue a year ago before except sometime when it was idle for few days.

And even using choke it doesn't start on its own. I need to accelerate my bike at the right time when pressing the starter. Or else it wont. Is that ok or should I need to fix something?

Also, for the last two days, even if the engine is at its running temp(bike was idle just for 15 mins after 30 mins of travel), I need to use choke and rev a little to start the bike. And it works fine. When I just press the starter(with or without choke), I just hear the rattling sound the bike trying to start. But it fails. I need to pull choke and rev a little for it to start.

Could this be a problem with spark plug or should the battery needs to be charged(I see a very little drop in Neutral indicator when I press the starter, but I think the battery has enough charge to start the bike) or is this because of something else?

FYI, I changed my bike from AC/DC setup to full DC a long time back and the headlight is running on direct battery current. I was using HID for sometime, but the bulb fails after few months. So I was using a normal bulb with DC current.
Yesterday, I changed to LED light(M6) and it's really awesome. It is very gentle to the battery and uses very low power.

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

It maybe a battery related issue , but seems unlikely , if you can cold start bike in morning using battery then it should be fine. Change spark plug if its 10k kms old. Also just a thought , get compression checked by svc, Unicorns are notorious for compression leakage.

No idea about electricals bud, i like to keep bike bone stock with very minimal changes to electric circuitry.

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

my starting trouble went from bad to worse now. Even push start was hard yesterday. Today, I gave it to Honda SVC mentioning to check the compression. Also, the engine oil is getting burnt up too fast. Around 1000 kms of last 2 oil changes, the oil level went low. Also, there was a black smoke exhaust twice in last 2 weeks. Mentioned that too to them.

The svc guy who took it told that for the oil issue and black smoke in the exhaust, the engine also needs to be checked. I would get a call in 1 or 2 days from them. I am not sure if something is worn out but there is definitely something that is not correct.

My question is when does an engine needs to be worked upon, and if it is to be done, will it behave the same way as it was earlier? I hear from a lot of people that a rebored/overhauled engine will not be the same once it was

Please advice

Edit: I just clocked 102+ yesterday n without any sound/issues. Didn't feel any big power drop or feel. Will a bad engine could have handled it?

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

Oil burning would give white smoke but black points to rich / improper combustion.

This is getting complicated , Dont replace anything until and unless you are sure its completely busted. Engine jobs are like a gamble.

Some rebored cylinders work better than stock ones, while 60% of them are shoddy work. Where do you reside btw ?

For peace of mind get new block , but i dont think block has worn out or is damaged.

Calling the cavalry for this :P [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] , [MENTION=53807]paul.1911[/MENTION] , [MENTION=43108]shoeb2015[/MENTION]. Lets help him out

Re: Stratring Trouble: Nearly frustrated

I live in chennai dude.

got a call from ASC today. Bore, Piston Ring and seating valve got damaged and needs to be replaced. They are suggesting to change all these three.

I had this doubt on my engine for sometime now. For the last few months, I was on the feel that I am filling up oil much earlier than usual, and the last 2 fills are really worse.

I think need to go with this. Any suggestions?

Clutch Issue - Honda Dazzler

Hi,
I have a Honda Dazzler 5 years old. I recently had a clutch plate change 2 months back when I fried my clutch plates in high RPM(8-9).

And from then, I have the clutch issue when the bike is idle for sometime. When I take my bike after few hours of idle, pulling the clutch doesn't have any effect on gear.
I mostly leave the bike in gear and just pull the clutch and start. And now, if I pull the clutch the starter works but if I try to move the bike before starting, it doesn't. It is still locked in gear.

I have to change the gear to neutral if I want to move my bike. It feels like as if the clutch is not having any effect on gear. But, once I start the bike the problem is gone. The clutch behaves as it should. It will however start troubling again once I leave it for few hours.

And when I leave my bike overnight, in the morning I have to be more careful, when applying gear for the first time. The first gear shift feels like I am trying to put gear without clutch(get a sudden heavy sound) no matter what gear I left last night and then is again back to normal. My local mechanic says that the rubber inside the clutch might have been damaged along with the plates and gets hard during idle which is why I might have trouble when idle.

And I face real difficulty when giving my bike for service where I cannot show the problem to them since I have to ride my bike to the service centre. Can anybody explain me the reason I have the issue??

Re: Honda Unicorn Dazzler

Hey guys, after reading issues related to oil burning in recent posts I thought I would share my story.

My dazzler is 5 years old and has clocked 46000kms plus.
My bike's engine got seized in January.

I had taken my bike on a trip from Bangalore to rameshwaram in January.
Before leaving I had got the bike serviced and also changed the oil to shell fully synthetic.

On my return journey, my bike stopped running at dindigal.
Local mechanics helped me n took me to a Honda showroom.
He opened the oil chamber n heavy smoke came out. Zero oil left.
My engine got seized was the answer.
(I was cruising constantly at 90 to 100 kmph in this trip. Some 50 kms before the engine got seized, the bike started making weird sound.)
The Honda guy filled new oil, the bike managed to start at high revs and would stay on only at high revs.
My bike was sent to Bangalore via train. I continued my journey back with 3 other bikes.

In Bangalore, the SVC took a week,
Replaced bore, crankshaft, piston, oil filter, timing chain, etc.
I was billed ₹12583/-

From past 7 months before my engine got seized, I had a drop in mileage.
I sometimes observed smoke.

Now I feel that my bore might have had a problem, and somehow oil was leaking into the cylinder n burning with the fuel.
I might be wrong but that's what I felt.

My bike is running fine now, giving me mileage somewhere between 44 to 55kmpl.

Thought of sharing it with you ppl.

Re: Honda Unicorn Dazzler

Was the oil of the right grade? what I think is that the oil was less viscous and was not able to form a proper film causing it to enter the cylinder and burn with the fuelMy bike has run 27800 Kms and still returns 58-60 Kmpl

Re: Honda Unicorn Dazzler

Yes, the oil I used was right as per manual.