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  • ^^^There is absolutely no need for this kind of tone, pal.
    We all have one common means, i.e. the internet, at our disposals to read and get information. And we do it in our own way. Just because you read some high profile article doesn't mean you know more than anyone else and reply in a condescending manner.

    I am again repeating this is that developing a motorcycle has so many aspects apart from the engine itself. Chassis, especially Electronics, aerodynamics, etc, etc.
    Just because they aren't revamping the engine as compared to the Honda, Yamaha and Ducati doesn't mean that they are just sitting idle and enjoying the factory team and the rider struggle and be smoked by others.

    The engine, which is prepared under the rules and regulation of the championship, cannot be used anyways as is in a production bike. There a lot of other things the factory do development on for e.g. the valve system (which is somewhat again restricted by the rules), the crank, the connecting rods, the piston, etc etc (probably the gurus can enlighten us more on this aspect) and also the metallurgy aspect of it for manufacturing those parts.
    And they probably won't share this with the media whether Indian media or any other means.

    And most importantly you cannot under-estimate the importance of data right from the race track where factory's bike is competing against the other factories and one of the best riders is riding your bike and giving feedback.
    All this data collected might just help them in future in some way or the other.

    If you ask me after the injury recovery Bautista and Suzuki have made very good improvements. They are only behind the 4 Hondas and 2 Yamahas. It is just that Ducatis are ahead because they have two very experienced riders and using that experience for their benefit which Bautista is lacking for now.
    Last edited by TheRedPill; 08-06-2011, 01:40 AM.

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    • The Suzukis and the Kawasaki are small companies compared to the Hondas and Yammies.

      There are not sitting quietly for sure. They ,Maybe cant invest as much as the Hondas and the Yamahas which cleary isnt enuff But they are improving for sure.


      P.S.:- Any links about such info would be appreciated.......
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      • Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
        First of all lets get something straight... Before I responded to your post I was responding to sumit.pannalall's comment that maybe Suzuki does not want to spend money and resources (not quoting exactly), thats when you butt in with the comment that merely staying in MotoGP has its benefits... Now putting both these comments together means that while money may not be spent, simply being in the MotoGP class has its benefits.

        My response is and still is that without significant money and resources there cannot be any significant development in prototype racing... now you are saying they are doing 'home work' which 'read as R&D', please educate this uneducated uncouth (i.e. me) how R&D can be done without spending money and resources.... oh and if your bible of knowledge is a trashy magazine like Bike India, well, hats off to your smugness that you are very knowledgeable... my suggestion read something better, to start with try something like the technical articles of Kevin Cameron of Cycle World and the very excellent Roadracing World magazine rather than those bought articles that Bike India publishes...
        Like Sumit said and I will also quote an example, the engine braking used in Suzuki's MotoGP bikes is real smooth and that technology was immediately put into effect in the GSX-Rs (production ones).

        Yes, Suzuki is in short of money and resources but they are putting their best foot forward. The race at Sachsenring should tell you that.


        oh and if your bible of knowledge is a trashy magazine like Bike India, well, hats off to your smugness that you are very knowledgeable...
        The special edition MotoGP Technology coverage is done by Neil Spalding Or are you saying you know MotoGP better than him?

        Sorry for the OT guys, just wanted to prove my point that Suzuki is indeed doing whatever they can and its not in a "no-point-staying-in-a-motogp" mode.
        Last edited by pushkarb; 08-06-2011, 03:35 PM.
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          • Just curious.Shouldn't a Manufacturer have better R&D for their road bikes from their WSBK team rather than their MotoGP team?
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            • Originally posted by RanjithMN View Post
              Just curious.Shouldn't a Manufacturer have better R&D for their road bikes from their WSBK team rather than their MotoGP team?
              IMHO, MotoGP gives you a broad route when it comes to research.

              WSBK AFAIK, have restrictions like they have to stick to the production based engines, engine cases etc. and there are lot of restrictions including weights.

              On the other hand, MotoGP bikes are practically built from scratch. They aren't based on any bike. Restrictions are comparatively less compared to the WSBKs (weight, engine displacement & fuel). The bike's cost run into millions! (the HRC radiator set alone costs 15 lakhs! )

              And as far as the riders concerned, I have observed that the riders switch to SBK from MotoGP when they are not much successful in the latter (just my observation).
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              • GP - New Tech
                WSBK - Product Life cycle
                BAYLISSTIC !!!!

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                • From Dennis Noyes tweets:
                  GP Week

                  Page 17 for Dovi's next year's team and bike.
                  Page 18 for Suzuki's decision.
                  Page 19 for Rossi story.
                  Last edited by TheRedPill; 08-08-2011, 09:56 PM. Reason: wrong page numbers

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                  • so boring without racing
                    but lots of info...Thanks to U guys .
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                    • Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
                      From Dennis Noyes tweets:
                      GP Week

                      Page 17 for Dovi's next year's team and bike.
                      Page 18 for Suzuki's decision.
                      Page 19 for Rossi story.
                      awesome link dude....didn't knew it was available free online...all the back issues in archives as well...

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                      • a new development. i feel for poor dovi






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                        • The problem is not that CF is too stiff, but that the feedback it provides differs so completely from conventional aluminium. The property most often quoted is hysteresis, which in this instance, refers to the rate at which absorbed energy is returned. One of the benefits of CF is the fact that it can be made to damp vibration, its hysteresis meaning that the energy absorbed from an input (such as striking a bump) is released in a much more controlled fashion. Tap an aluminium tube and it rings like a bell; tap a CF tube and it emits a dull thud.
                          Beautifully explained. Starting to understand properly what Rossi is going through ...

                          Using an L twin may be a big deal for Ducati's World Superbike effort, as there they are racing the machines that they are trying to sell. But exactly how many degrees apart the Desmosedici GP11's cylinders are has no bearing on the purchasing decisions of prospective Ducati customers. Having Rossi be successful is. If Rossi fails, Ducati fails, leaving them either to find another rider who can ride around the Desmosedici's problems, or pull out of MotoGP altogether and focus on World Superbikes.
                          And that's that.

                          a new development. i feel for poor dovi
                          http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/171...onda_test.html
                          Agree Dovi deserves better treatment but with Dani & Casey around, real tough.
                          Last edited by pushkarb; 08-09-2011, 06:36 PM.
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                          • Sad to read about Dovi. But it was imminent and expected.
                            As a consolation I just wish Dovi beats Dani in the final points table. All due respect to Dani but Dovi at least deserves that after all Dani gets to keep his ride for next year

                            Edit: This weekend the Ducati guys have to deal with two suzukis not one. Good for Hopper. Hope he pulls out another surprise like WSBK weekend, highly unlikely though
                            Last edited by TheRedPill; 08-09-2011, 07:54 PM.

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                            • If you are not on twitter, now is good time to get on it Lot of rumors/speculations/actual news about 2012 teams/riders etc.
                              Follow DennisNoyes, motomatters, twitgp(for funny quotes), tobymoody, alex_briggs, chrismartinsbk, etc.

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