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  • Originally posted by pushkarb View Post
    A mere stay in MotoGP can help the company when it comes to motorcycle development (read as sports/sports tourers).


    Agree. The Ducati is rumored to be at 990cc. Like the article mentioned, Suzuki might probably have advantage in terms of the weight and the fuel efficiency department.
    Will have to very respectfully disagree with your argument... merely staying in MotoGP cannot help any company when it comes to to motorcycle development... development requires spending money and committing resources... MotoGP is a prototype racing class where arguably the development of these bikes does not have direct bearing on the development of sports and sports tourers being churned out by the bike makers... the WSBK has a more direct bearing on the development of Sports and Supersports bike for example the BMW S1000RR and the Ducati 1098R.. the moniker "Win on a Sunday and sell on Monday" applies more to WSBK than MotoGP... other than the outrageously priced Ducati Desmosedici and to some extent the Yamaha 'long bang' engine in R1, can anyone name one direct development of Sports and Supersports bike from these prototypes...

    Suzuki has frozen all development on the GSV-R since last year... Alvaro is running last year's bike and there is no disputing the fact... so where is the development happening? The fact is that Suzuki would have rather got out of MotoGP along with Kawasaki, but due to contractual obligations and financial assistance provided by Dorna (for their idea that there should be 15 bikes on the grid) they have continued in MotoGP with one rider... That most of us don't even think that Suzuki can win another championship is a sign of how they have lost their way as far as prototype racing is concerned... Bike makers participate in prototype racing for the prestige and pride in showing off their development prowess (which ultimately leads to selling of their street bikes) and that is best done by winning championships and not by running in the middle of the pact or the rear....

    Gentlemen, this is the same marque that has won premier class world championships in the face of competition such giants as Yamaha and Honda... that today we are selling them short is a sad fact indeed...
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    • Still hanging on to the fact that they used to win in yesteryear isn't going to fetch anything.
      The fact is Suzuki isn't doing that good financially in this global economic turmoil and that forces Suzuki to concentrate more on customer facing activities than Racing, putting money where it matters in this crisis. As simple as that.
      It's not that Suzuki is just sitting idle and watching their team and the rider struggle. They are doing whatever is possible within the given financial boundaries.
      As someone said: "Can't make a scene without green"
      Also I don't think that there is no change to the GSV-R at all. Couldn't find much over the web (that's all we can do to gather info) but here is something latest from Paul Denning:


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      • Suzuki in for 2012 MotoGP, could stick with 800 - Motorcycle racing news: Moto GP - Visordown

        With the move next year towards 1000cc machines, Motul's engineers and their Suzuki counterparts have started to work on new projects to ensure that the Rizla Suzuki team have exactly the right products available from the outset
        The above quote are the words from the horse mouth... Rest were all the BS intrepration/prediction made by the blogger. So my prediction would be that Suzuki will bring a new machine for next year, else why will the Lubricant supplier be working with the engine maker for new products? (same engine and new lubrocant, naa..)

        And for this year... Suzuki is not running the same bike.. They are running a similar engine to last year, but improving on the bike - read chasis, rear swing arm esp to improve the tire temp..
        Last edited by prabhubravo; 08-03-2011, 04:33 AM.
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        • read these...
          Tense. Scott Jones Photography

          King George Fell Off His Horse Scott Jones Photography

          Awesome Ben wallpaper

          Here’s another hi-res desktop wallpaper for you, this time to commemorate Ben Spies’ first MotoGP win at Assen. It was great to see him ride the traditional Yamaha Red and White on the factory’s 50th anniversary of Grand Prix racing. To download the image, just !



          my respect for suzuki has gone down somewhat after reading some stories of them poaching the 2-stroke technology from a german team...,

          EDIT: the Independent report on Motegi radiation level is out...



          the report itself is available on above link....
          Last edited by kingkong; 08-03-2011, 03:07 PM.

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          • Soup :: FIM: Statement on Grand Prix of Japan :: 08-02-2011

            FIM: Statement on Grand Prix of Japan
            Tuesday, August 02, 2011
            This just in from the FIM:

            Grand Prix of Japan: Statement from the FIM

            The FIM and Dorna Sports have now received the official detailed and final report provided by ARPA*, recognised body to investigate the current situation in Motegi and its environs. Based on this report the FIM and Dorna Sports confirm today that, subject to there being no further serious incidents, the Grand Prix of Japan will take place on 2 October as planned.

            As already indicated in the previous Press Release, ARPA has measured levels of radiation from all sources including the air, environment and food. The final conclusion is that "based on the estimate dose it can be said with no doubt that the radiation risk during the race event is negligible".

            This study is intended to complement the information already available from various Governments and the World Health Organisation, which addresses the general situation in Japan following the earthquake and subsequent tsunami that occurred in March. This independent investigation reports specifically on the situation in Motegi and its environs, making it much more relevant to MotoGP participants.

            Note: ARPA*, agenzia regionale prevenzione e ambiente dell'emila romagna based in Bologna, Italy.

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            • So with motegi on and Lorenzo/Stoner not going there (as they declared), it will be the best possible chance of Rossi/Hayden getting on the podium
              Still they would have to get past Dovi, Spies, Sic and Bautista always lurking around the ducatis

              Poaching is common. I guess even Honda poached Yamaha electronics guys last year.
              Last edited by TheRedPill; 08-03-2011, 06:20 PM.

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              • Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
                So with motegi on and Lorenzo/Stoner not going there (as they declared), it will be the best possible chance of Rossi/Hayden getting on the podium

                Poaching is common. I guess even Honda poached Yamaha electronics guys last year.
                hehe...and if they can catch Dovi/Spies by then....maybe a victory...

                Poaching is fine...you switch companies.....you take the knowledge/experience that you have gained while working there...

                here a rider went with Engine Parts/drawings....that is unethical/unfair (by mine personal standards),
                Imagine Rossi taking an M1 chassis and its drawing with him to Ducati...

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                • ^^hmm Never read about it but yeah poaching the knowledge is different than picking up things from factory and going away , that's cheap

                  Edit: Just for laughs

                  .@TwitGP Keen to show solidarity with the Japanese fans, Stoner previews special livery for Motegi yfrog Photo : http://yfrog.com/h6bhb7j Shared by


                  Contrary news regarding fukushima:
                  Fukushima radiation reaches lethal levels | World news | guardian.co.uk
                  Last edited by TheRedPill; 08-03-2011, 07:01 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
                    ^^hmm Never read about it but yeah poaching the knowledge is different than picking up things from factory and going away , that's cheap

                    Edit: Just for laughs

                    Contrary news regarding fukushima:
                    Fukushima radiation reaches lethal levels | World news | guardian.co.uk
                    Nice read then...
                    Soup :: Over The Wall: The Sachsenring's Storied Past. July, 2006

                    radiation level was found at plant itself...not far from it..., although this might be considered as a new development/accident...

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                    • the Fukushima incident is being called "the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind"

                      bigger than Chernobyl.
                      "In the case of Chernobyl, radiation caused 985,000 deaths worldwide—including almost 170,000 in North America—between 1986 and 2004, according to a Russian study published by the New York Academy of Sciences in 2009. Fallout contaminated about 100,000 square kilometres of land. And 25 years later, five to seven percent of government spending in Ukraine is still devoted to dealing with the disaster’s health, environmental, and other after-effects."
                      why in the world would Stoner/Lorenzo or anyone for that matter want to be 140 kms from the Fukushima site?

                      The new level at Fukushima — at least 10 sieverts (10,000 millisieverts) per hour
                      could cause death or incapacitation within a few seconds’ exposure.
                      i know they're 140 kms away...
                      but that's not something anyone should take lightly.

                      Remember how the government of Canada had to calm it's citizens down coz
                      they were scared and freaking out coz of the radiation affecting them too.

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                      • Some interesting links that I got from twitter when this was a hot discussion with the reporters:
                        Controversy About Radiation | Radiation Information and Answers

                        ‪How Damaging is Radiation?‬‏ - YouTube

                        ‪Radiation vs Radioactive Atoms‬‏ - YouTube

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                        • Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                          Will have to very respectfully disagree with your argument... merely staying in MotoGP cannot help any company when it comes to to motorcycle development... development requires spending money and committing resources... MotoGP is a prototype racing class where arguably the development of these bikes does not have direct bearing on the development of sports and sports tourers being churned out by the bike makers... the WSBK has a more direct bearing on the development of Sports and Supersports bike for example the BMW S1000RR and the Ducati 1098R.. the moniker "Win on a Sunday and sell on Monday" applies more to WSBK than MotoGP... other than the outrageously priced Ducati Desmosedici and to some extent the Yamaha 'long bang' engine in R1, can anyone name one direct development of Sports and Supersports bike from these prototypes...

                          Suzuki has frozen all development on the GSV-R since last year... Alvaro is running last year's bike and there is no disputing the fact... so where is the development happening? The fact is that Suzuki would have rather got out of MotoGP along with Kawasaki, but due to contractual obligations and financial assistance provided by Dorna (for their idea that there should be 15 bikes on the grid) they have continued in MotoGP with one rider... That most of us don't even think that Suzuki can win another championship is a sign of how they have lost their way as far as prototype racing is concerned... Bike makers participate in prototype racing for the prestige and pride in showing off their development prowess (which ultimately leads to selling of their street bikes) and that is best done by winning championships and not by running in the middle of the pact or the rear....

                          Gentlemen, this is the same marque that has won premier class world championships in the face of competition such giants as Yamaha and Honda... that today we are selling them short is a sad fact indeed...
                          Merely staying doesn't necessary mean completely dormant. Making a bike that can keep up with the other bikes is the main goal and I don't think you can do that without doing some homework (read as R&D). Also I recommend you buy the August 2011 issue of Bike India. You will know what I am talking about.

                          Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
                          Still hanging on to the fact that they used to win in yesteryear isn't going to fetch anything.
                          The fact is Suzuki isn't doing that good financially in this global economic turmoil and that forces Suzuki to concentrate more on customer facing activities than Racing, putting money where it matters in this crisis. As simple as that.
                          It's not that Suzuki is just sitting idle and watching their team and the rider struggle. They are doing whatever is possible within the given financial boundaries.
                          As someone said: "Can't make a scene without green"
                          Also I don't think that there is no change to the GSV-R at all. Couldn't find much over the web (that's all we can do to gather info) but here is something latest from Paul Denning:
                          That too!
                          Last edited by pushkarb; 08-05-2011, 08:14 PM.
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                          • Not much racing obviously means speculations/rumors. Here is the latest one:
                            Rossi Honda connection for 2012.
                            Back to the future? Rossi contatta Gresini - The Racing Tribune
                            Rough translation through google translate:
                            "I know that Valentino Rossi has called for a Honda Gresini in 2012: all this confirms what I'm saying for some time: that the marriage between the" Doctor "and Ducati has counted the months." The words of Marco Melandri shake the market drivers MotoGP, with the statement that shocks the nine-time world champion, set in a disappointing season riding the Ducati GP11.1 of the House, have been in contact with Team San Carlo Honda Gresini team under the management of 'Former MotoGP rider.

                            The Ravenna has revealed an unexpected backdrop to the world of MotoGP, with the near future that would see a return of Valentino Rossi at Honda, a company that denigrated during the 2003 season, when he signed with the move to Yamaha, turned out to win.

                            The Ravenna, always a friend of the "Doctor", has stirred a storm of comments because his words did not hide anything. The combination of Red-Ducati is not giving the desired results, revealing quite disappointing results and development of optical and rumors about a possible divorce between the two circulating for some time.

                            They go back a few weeks ago the statements that come directly by the extension with Ducati was obvious but Melandri claims otherwise.

                            Rossi and Honda flashback?

                            From Twitter: @DennisNoyes Dennis Noyes
                            Now Marco Melandri affirming what Carlo Pernat predicted. "I know that Valentino Rossi has called for a Honda 2012. I find it hard to believe.
                            Last edited by TheRedPill; 08-04-2011, 08:18 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by xionite View Post
                              the Fukushima incident is being called "the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind"
                              bigger than Chernobyl.
                              why in the world would Stoner/Lorenzo or anyone for that matter want to be 140 kms from the Fukushima site?
                              i know they're 140 kms away... but that's not something anyone should take lightly. Remember how the government of Canada had to calm it's citizens down coz they were scared and freaking out coz of the radiation affecting them too.
                              .
                              True and thats y none answered this,
                              Originally posted by prabhubravo View Post
                              PS: How many of you guys will be ready to go, if your company transfers you to an area 70kms around that reactor in japan
                              I feel there is absolutely no need for a Racing event there.. There are almost 5000 ppl still missing, and many more things which needs more attention than a motor on 2 wheels..
                              Last edited by prabhubravo; 08-05-2011, 04:09 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by pushkarb View Post
                                Merely staying doesn't necessary mean completely dormant. Making a bike that can keep up with the other bikes is the main goal and I don't think you can do that without doing some homework (read as R&D). Also I recommend you buy the August 2011 issue of Bike India. You will know what I am talking about.
                                First of all lets get something straight... Before I responded to your post I was responding to sumit.pannalall's comment that maybe Suzuki does not want to spend money and resources (not quoting exactly), thats when you butt in with the comment that merely staying in MotoGP has its benefits... Now putting both these comments together means that while money may not be spent, simply being in the MotoGP class has its benefits.

                                My response is and still is that without significant money and resources there cannot be any significant development in prototype racing... now you are saying they are doing 'home work' which 'read as R&D', please educate this uneducated uncouth (i.e. me) how R&D can be done without spending money and resources.... oh and if your bible of knowledge is a trashy magazine like Bike India, well, hats off to your smugness that you are very knowledgeable... my suggestion read something better, to start with try something like the technical articles of Kevin Cameron of Cycle World and the very excellent Roadracing World magazine rather than those bought articles that Bike India publishes...
                                Last edited by abhimanyu31; 08-06-2011, 12:27 AM.
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