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  • Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
    He said that he was not asking for more and he doesn't want any pay cut. His pay at Ducati was same. What would you have done if you would have been at his place?
    I agree with you. that's bad but cant blame Yamaha because when they have some one who can win races and was able to show his talents riding the same bike as rossi did. but rossi had weight & height disadvantage.. anyway.. Hope ducati will improve and can see rossi fighting back. but one thing is for use.. if ducati fixes its handling problem, rossi will be untouched because Yamaha bikes are always low on power. but really good at handling. Honda is a balance between both but not a way bike to ride. end of the day its 50/50 rider/bike and no one can say no to it.. even the mighty rossi understood it late..

    since its raining today.. Yamaha has the upper hand but stoner can manhandle the bike and spin tail.. so lets see what happens. Honda's chances are less in rain because of the extra power which stoner was talking about in off season testing.. but stoner should find a workaround.. may be using taller gears may ease of the power and will allow better corner exit.



    Originally posted by Braumabull View Post
    +1

    Yamaha werent too clean either. They cut the Rossi pay and increase Lorenzo's.
    @sridar1983
    About Rossi-Lorenzo Battle, I just remember Rossi beating Lorenzo. (Dunno if I missed other where it the other way round).

    Valentino rode the bike at Malaysia and it was a lot better. So, Rossi, with a lot of effort from Yamaha and himself, gets on the Yamaha and wins the world championship. And at the same time, when he got off the Honda, Michelin had brought in a new tire, which on the Honda created a lot of chatter. Honda didn't use that new Michelin, which hurt them. Yet Yamaha didn't have that chatter problem with the new Michelin. Valentino and Burgess got that new Michelin to work on the Yamaha."

    Soup :: Roberts On Rossi: Kenny Junior Comments On The Ducati Divide :: 04-13-2012

    Remember ? Lorenzo won the championship.. and about the chatter problem// they never used it because of the problem and they did not have that problem in race and in the very next race that was fixed. and chatter problem is a strange situation where you cannot put down power... its a problem with the tyre limitations.. when the engine tries to put down hard power, the trye looses grip and catches grip back. the traction control settings needs to be set smooth but if they over do it.. then it will cost time.. if they under do it then chatter. Yamaha never had problem because they were always low on power.

    Yamaha is a sweet handler and can break late.. but if you look at Honda, Honda is strong in exiting corner. the reason is the balance chosen by both the companies are different.

    eg:
    If you closely look at Honda, the weight balance is towards front and in the Yamaha its balanced. the extra weight at front allows the bike to exit corner but under heavy breaking the bikes tail will step out or will be on air. and if you look at Yamaha, they are stable in breaking because of the off set weight balance but cannot exit corners well since the bike has the tendency to drive towards the outer corner.

    Ducaty is a crazy bike. the balance is totally off.. even a basic normal Autoeng can easily find out what they are facing. the bike is not using alloy frame... the reason for Honda Yamaha all changed to alloy is because of the malleability of alloy and next is weight balance.. the weight balances is F45/R55 on ducati. Hope Ducati will stop arguing about the alloy frame and give a good bike to rossi soon
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    • Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post
      I agree with you. that's bad but cant blame Yamaha because when they have some one who can win races and was able to show his talents riding the same bike as rossi did. but rossi had weight & height disadvantage.. anyway.. Hope ducati will improve and can see rossi fighting back. but one thing is for use.. if ducati fixes its handling problem, rossi will be untouched because Yamaha bikes are always low on power. but really good at handling. Honda is a balance between both but not a way bike to ride. end of the day its 50/50 rider/bike and no one can say no to it.. even the mighty rossi understood it late..

      since its raining today.. Yamaha has the upper hand but stoner can manhandle the bike and spin tail.. so lets see what happens. Honda's chances are less in rain because of the extra power which stoner was talking about in off season testing.. but stoner should find a workaround.. may be using taller gears may ease of the power and will allow better corner exit.
      Agree with you.
      Hope to see a good race today.
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      • Yes Lorenzo won the Championship
        I hadnt considered that
        hmm...
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        Nice race,Moto2.

        It scary to see De angelis on the track when he crashed.
        Good work by Iannone and another riders too who missed crashing into DeAngelis.

        Now waiting for MotoGP
        Ernest Hemingway

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        • YIPEEEEEEEEE! The Motogp Legend no. 46 is back on Podium again.

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          • If there is one man who can make racing interesting, he is............ Yes, you guessed it right.
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            • Rossi! 2nd
              Best finish with Ducati.
              Ernest Hemingway

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              • so there we go.. Yamaha did win a simple logic in rain is more the power more u are in trouble. because you cannot twist the throttle or els they will end up like Randy de Puniet poor thing..

                Rossi did manage 2nd but i should say we did not see the usual stoner today.. he just gave up which is a new thing...
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                • The point is...when everyone's in the same situation, the doctor is still the man to beat
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                  • Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post
                    so there we go.. Yamaha did win a simple logic in rain is more the power more u are in trouble. because you cannot twist the throttle or els they will end up like Randy de Puniet poor thing..

                    Rossi did manage 2nd but i should say we did not see the usual stoner today.. he just gave up which is a new thing...
                    Stoner was trying to keep Rossi back, but once Rossi overtook Stoner knew that it is gonna be too risky to fight with Rossi. Lorenzo and Stoner are good with lonely races.
                    Last edited by Abhii46; 05-20-2012, 08:00 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                      The point is...when everyone's in the same situation, the doctor is still the man to beat
                      Mr46 I wouldn't say that.. and cant say one is better than the other.. Lorenzo was able to beat him straight on same Yamaha bike in 2010. so i would say all 3 are good riders and small things draws the outcome of every race.

                      Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
                      Stoner was trying to keep Rossi back, but once Rossi overtook Stoner knew that it is gonna be too risky to fight with Rossi. Lorenzo and Stoner are good with lonely races.
                      ya you are correct. but I have never seen stoner giving up like he did today. clearly the bike had it but he simply refused to take that chance which he normally takes...
                      ya you are correct, may be he was worried about rossi crashing on him like before and loosing points on the championship.
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                      • Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
                        Stoner was trying to keep Rossi back, but once Rossi overtook Stoner knew that it is gonna be too risky to fight with Rossi. Lorenzo and Stoner are good with lonely races.
                        I don't know how you could speak so brilliantly on Stoner's behalf.

                        Rossi is anyday a better rider in the wet, and it's a known fact. Stoner might have had problems (as he always points out in post-reference conferences) but that doesn't mean he can't fight. Even today he was very calmly battling it out against Rossi. Did fairly well, I'd say. But lost in the end, and that's why you have to give it to Rossi this time.

                        What really surprised me though was to see Lorenzo pulling away from the others. I know no one will mention this or give him credit, because most of us are too ecstatic to see Rossi on podium...
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                        • Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post
                          Lorenzo was able to beat him straight on same Yamaha bike in 2010.
                          Lorenzo never did. You can ask him only. Rossi had a major accident before the second race itself and had one more in FP2 of Mugello.

                          Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post
                          ya you are correct. but I have never seen stoner giving up like he did today. clearly the bike had it but he simply refused to take that chance which he normally takes...
                          ya you are correct, may be he was worried about rossi crashing on him like before and loosing points on the championship.
                          If Stoner is ever worried that another rider would crash him then he should sit at home. But I'm damn sure he is not worried about that, else he would have also mentioned this in the reasons of why he is retiring.
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                          • Originally posted by shivank View Post
                            I don't know how you could speak so brilliantly on Stoner's behalf.
                            Ya that comment of mine was preposterous.
                            I should rather assume that Stoner tried his best but was not able to beat Rossi.
                            Last edited by Abhii46; 05-22-2012, 12:03 PM.
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                            • Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
                              Lorenzo never did. You can ask him only. Rossi had a major accident before the second race itself and had one more in FP2 of Mugello.

                              If Stoner is ever worried that another rider would crash him then he should sit at home. But I'm damn sure he is not worried about that, else he would have also mentioned this in the reasons of why he is retiring.

                              the last few races where all head on.. rossi was ok by then.. hmm cant say coz you know what happened last time
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                              • Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post
                                Mr46 I wouldn't say that.. and cant say one is better than the other.. Lorenzo was able to beat him straight on same Yamaha bike in 2010. so i would say all 3 are good riders and small things draws the outcome of every race.
                                Oh Mr46 is better! And it would be too easy for me to justify if we start talking about the past Lorenzo and Stonner are Rossi's toughest competitors in years doesn't mean you can't choose between them. What may differ is you might choose the other two!
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