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**princesirohi** · 05-19-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by shelton_jh View Post

Rossi sitting pretty being just 0.332 sec slower than the leader Crutchlow in FP 3 (Of course excluding the only Alien now

). Qualifying is going to be interesting

wow, great news... lets hope the form continues til the race.

now, that's what i was saying --> slow and steady approach-->

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

Only positive thing for rossi is that his qualifying lap times are within one second of the leader. Next step will be to further reduce it to less than 0.5 secs in next race. The progress will be slow but atleast now there is a ray of hope.

**Braumabull** · 05-19-2012, 08:37 PM

Rossi still 1.2 secs off leader. Nothing special there. Even lap times arent impressive

. Hope it rains

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Nice riding by Pedrosa. Cal and Dovi it was like Fight for the HRC hehe.
Today I didnt see Barbera on-tow. Good ride by both Karel and Hector

CRT: Randy is .4 sec off Haydens best lap in QP

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More Unsure Stoner News : Mick Doohan's Point of View

**princesirohi** · 05-19-2012, 08:46 PM

i missed the QP, so what are the positions?

**Braumabull** · 05-19-2012, 08:55 PM

1. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 33.638s
2. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 33.941s
3. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 33.976s
4. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1) 1m 34.104s
5. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 34.178s
6. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1) 1m 34.669s
7. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Team (GP12) 1m 34.907s
8. Alvaro Bautista ESP San Carlo Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 34.922s
9. Hector Barbera ESP Pramac Racing (GP12) 1m 34.950s
10. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (GP12) 1m 35.250s
11. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Team (GP12) 1m 35.291s
12. Randy De Puniet FRA Power Electronics Aspar (ART CRT) 1m 35.694s
13. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda(RC213V) 1m 35.862s
14. Michele Pirro ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini (FTR-Honda CRT) 1m 36.646s
15. Yonny Hernandez COL Avintia Blusens (FTR-Kawasaki CRT) 1m 37.202s
16. James Ellison GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (ART CRT) 1m 37.666s
17. Aleix Espargaro ESP Power Electronics Aspar (ART CRT) 1m 37.760s
18. Danilo Petrucci ITA Came IodaRacing (Ioda-Aprilia CRT) 1m 37.767s
19. Ivan Silva ESP Avintia Blusens (FTR-Kawasaki CRT) 1m 38.198s
20. Mattia Pasini ITA Speed Master (ART CRT) 1m 38.511s
21. Chris Vermeulen AUS NGM Forward Racing (Suter-BMW CRT) 1m 38.658s

Fastest practice time:
Casey Stoner AUS Honda 1m 33.740s (FP2)

Best lap:
Dani Pedrosa ESP Honda 1m 32.647s (2008)
Fastest race lap:
Dani Pedrosa ESP Honda 1m 33.617s (2011)

**shivank** · 05-20-2012, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

rossi is not a slower rider. its because he and his ducati like to race in entirely different styles.

give rossi a good bike- either lorenzo's or stoner's and then see his speed.

I didn't mean Rossi is slower, but given the sour relationship between him and HRC, he'd be the last (fast and deserving man) Honda bosses would want to run on to.

**sridar1983** · 05-20-2012, 01:53 AM

Honda hate,s Rossi because of what he said.. after all the handwork HRC put in developing a bike, rossi simply said its all rider not bike...

But now he is blaming Ducati hmmm

ROSSI and HONDA was a winning team.. he and his big mouth

if he was on a HONDA he would have been on top unchallenged...

but all this brought out the incapability of Ducati to deliver a competitive bike and they are embarrassed big time.. they have the best engine designed by the guy who designed Ferrari engine but when it comes to handling they only have (H) of handling

from the beginning Ducati had the same problem. bike refuses to turn and no front end feel. all they say is they are still working on it. hope they will finish working before petrol runs out.. lol

**Braumabull** · 05-20-2012, 10:07 AM

Plus, Marquez to move up to MotoGp(to non factory team) and maybe then to HRC. So it would be one year.

**Abhii46** · 05-20-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post

Honda hate,s Rossi because of what he said.. after all the handwork HRC put in developing a bike, rossi simply said its all rider not bike...

But now he is blaming Ducati hmmm

ROSSI and HONDA was a winning team.. he and his big mouth

if he was on a HONDA he would have been on top unchallenged...

but all this brought out the incapability of Ducati to deliver a competitive bike and they are embarrassed big time.. they have the best engine designed by the guy who designed Ferrari engine but when it comes to handling they only have (H) of handling

from the beginning Ducati had the same problem. bike refuses to turn and no front end feel. all they say is they are still working on it. hope they will finish working before petrol runs out.. lol

I think I have read the Rossi version, he said that he was out of Honda because Honda started saying that Rossi is winning because of their bike, so he had to prove them wrong.

Are you sure on the bold part?

**Braumabull** · 05-20-2012, 12:41 PM

HRC hardwork?

Honda had some chatter issue in 2004(atleast according to Kenny Roberts Jr)and from 2003 to 2004, there were no major Rule change. So it must the similar bike for both the years.

If Honda says it was the bike for Rossi's Success. What went wrong in the following year??

So easy to shoot someone when he's Down. What I feel is Rossi jumped to Ducati a year earlier.

**Braumabull** · 05-20-2012, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post

I think I have read the Rossi version, he said that he was out of Honda because Honda started saying that Rossi is winning because of their bike, so he had to prove them wrong.

Are you sure on the bold part?

An Old Article, but not completely clear:
ducati desmosedici

**Abhii46** · 05-20-2012, 01:53 PM

At present in Ducati Corse there are 16 people, including engine designers and those involved with fluid-dynamics and structural calculations, as well as Claudio Domenicali and myself. We have succeeded in rapidly developing the new engine thanks also to the support of HPE High Performance Engineering of Modena, the engine design and consultancy firm headed by Piero Ferrari. For the past few months two of their designers have been working side-by-side with us at Borgo Panigale. So far all of these people have passionately dedicated around 19,000 hours to the design of the Desmosedici.

They had two engineers from ferrari factory.

**sridar1983** · 05-20-2012, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post

I think I have read the Rossi version, he said that he was out of Honda because Honda started saying that Rossi is winning because of their bike, so he had to prove them wrong.

Are you sure on the bold part?

It was live on start sports. it was the championship celebration which made it all look very bad when some old guy from Honda was saying it’s the bike and the rider combination and rossi jumped the gun saying no its always the rider who makes the difference. you should have seen the Honda guys faces and after 1 week they announced Honda won’t be needing rossi even if that means we cannot win races because they knew that they cannot win without rossi because he was the only good rider on grid.

Originally posted by Braumabull View Post

HRC hardwork?

Honda had some chatter issue in 2004(atleast according to Kenny Roberts Jr)and from 2003 to 2004, there were no major Rule change. So it must the similar bike for both the years.

If Honda says it was the bike for Rossi's Success. What went wrong in the following year??[IMG]file:///C:%5CUsers%5CSAIKAM%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5 Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_image001.gif[/IMG]

So easy to shoot someone when he's Down. What I feel is Rossi jumped to Ducati a year earlier.

The bike had no chatter issue. if you look at some of the videos of those races you will see that simply Honda lacked a good rider who had fire like rossi. but anyways.. Honda did win in hands of other propel but rossi did not and when it was time for rossi vs lorenzo and rossi lost the battle. Yamaha decided they cannot pay rossi more. That pissed rossi and he again started complaining about Yamaha and his team which forced him to move on. But now on Ducati he is nowhere near the front runners and again he did it saying issues with Ducati. it won’t be a surprise if we see rossi soon on a CRT.

Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post

They had two engineers from ferrari factory.

There was a show in Discovery channel called extreme machines and that particular episode was about motogp bikes where they introduced a 58year old guy who designed most of Ferrari engines and was said he developed the Ducati gp engine. And that does make sense because we can see always Ferrari guys around the Ducati gp bike. Problem is any engine is designed and developed by one guy but when you search for it. All we see is a team effort. Improving a design is team effort. Anyways... let’s not get into engine and bike development here... Don’t want Mod to delete my post saying OT he he he

if possible i will search for some old videos and post them in YouTube

**Abhii46** · 05-20-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post

It was live on start sports. it was the championship celebration which made it all look very bad when some old guy from Honda was saying it’s the bike and the rider combination and rossi jumped the gun saying no its always the rider who makes the difference. you should have seen the Honda guys faces and after 1 week they announced Honda won’t be needing rossi even if that means we cannot win races because they knew that they cannot win without rossi because he was the only good rider on grid.

Not sure on this because what I read at different places says something else. Rossi did said that at Honda they had feeling that Rossi was winning because of their bike, maybe need to get his autobiography.

Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post

The bike had no chatter issue. if you look at some of the videos of those races you will see that simply Honda lacked a good rider who had fire like rossi. but anyways.. Honda did win in hands of other propel but rossi did not and when it was time for rossi vs lorenzo and rossi lost the battle. Yamaha decided they cannot pay rossi more. That pissed rossi and he again started complaining about Yamaha and his team which forced him to move on. But now on Ducati he is nowhere near the front runners and again he did it saying issues with Ducati. it won’t be a surprise if we see rossi soon on a CRT.

He said that he was not asking for more and he doesn't want any pay cut. His pay at Ducati was same. What would you have done if you would have been at his place?

Originally posted by sridar1983 View Post

There was a show in Discovery channel called extreme machines and that particular episode was about motogp bikes where they introduced a 58year old guy who designed most of Ferrari engines and was said he developed the Ducati gp engine. And that does make sense because we can see always Ferrari guys around the Ducati gp bike. Problem is any engine is designed and developed by one guy but when you search for it. All we see is a team effort. Improving a design is team effort. Anyways... let’s not get into engine and bike development here... Don’t want Mod to delete my post saying OT he he he

if possible i will search for some old videos and post them in YouTube

Ok I believe you on this. And if you get some videos please share them.

**Braumabull** · 05-20-2012, 04:24 PM

What a Moto3 Races

Rossi wins

Louis Rossi

**Braumabull** · 05-20-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post

Not sure on this because what I read at different places says something else. Rossi did said that at Honda they had feeling that Rossi was winning because of their bike, maybe need to get his autobiography.

He said that he was not asking for more and he doesn't want any pay cut. His pay at Ducati was same. What would you have done if you would have been at his place?

.

+1

Yamaha werent too clean either. They cut the Rossi pay and increase Lorenzo's.
@sridar1983
About Rossi-Lorenzo Battle, I just remember Rossi beating Lorenzo. (Dunno if I missed other where it the other way round).

Motegi 2010 was the best, considering Rossi being injured.
And isnt it justified Rossi stating that Ducati are not following his request. Look at all the Ducatis, even Hayden is finishing races 28 secs from the first place.

Dunno much but I feel he will be able to run in the front.

Kenny Roberts Jr:

Valentino rode the bike at Malaysia and it was a lot better. So, Rossi, with a lot of effort from Yamaha and himself, gets on the Yamaha and wins the world championship. And at the same time, when he got off the Honda, Michelin had brought in a new tire, which on the Honda created a lot of chatter. Honda didn't use that new Michelin, which hurt them. Yet Yamaha didn't have that chatter problem with the new Michelin. Valentino and Burgess got that new Michelin to work on the Yamaha."

Soup :: Roberts On Rossi: Kenny Junior Comments On The Ducati Divide :: 04-13-2012

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