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I don't find anything wrong with the bike that Yamaha gave Valentino the Leman it was a wet race and he crashed until that crash he was challenging for a podium and in yesterday's race it was Bautista who took of Valentino the bike didn't fail to work like what happened for Ben Spies last year .... Even in Lemans Lorenzo was under performing does that mean that Yamaha gave a better bike to Valentino who was challenging for a podium if they need to promote one rider they can switch the team with one rider and not to forget Yamaha is the only team running without a title sponsor why they have to hire a second rider and invest on that rider when they want to make Lorenzo win and no manufacturer even think or work against their own riders

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After a brief fling with an Italian mistress, the Doctor returns to his ever faithful Japanese wife only to find out that both of them have changed and more than anything else, they don't seem to understand each other.

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Mahindra secures its best result of the season with a 4th place finish at Mugello, Italy in the Moto 3 class.



Mahindra's rider Miguel Oliveira took the best ever position for the team. Teammate Efren Vazquez sat out of the race, as he was still suffering from the broken caller bone. Italian wildcard Andrea Locatelli took 22nd position for the team.

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Oh no, I think your either new to MotoGP or maybe just to the whole situation. See this is not just racing, at the end it's all business. I will not succeed if you know my strategy. Yamaha has lured a few sponsors like Monster who was also expected to join them last year, but it didn't happen. So what's the difference between Yamaha 2012 and 2013?

See things that happened to Ben last year are not common. Tool left in the bike, food poisoning, swing arm breakage. I mean, these are only a few I can think of. Do you really expect such things to happen at the level of MotoGP, even after so many years?
2013 - Rossi reported a piece of the brake disc falling off, in Austin or Jerez, don't remember. You don't have to give a bad bike to someone to make him lose. There are millions of things.
Honestly I don't think they would want him to lose, just keep him behind Jorge. I'm not thinking about cases when Jorge is at the back, it's just rare which is expected. But to see a common front runner like Ben and Rossi fighting at the back is alarming.

Here is a summary of what I mean to say
"Cue the move to 1000cc MotoGP bikes. Spies was expected to shine, by Yamaha, by MotoGP, by fans and certainly by himself. Instead the season crumbled into a saga of unsightly technical DNFs, bouts with food poisoning and finally Spies quitting the team. there were tire and equipment failures on Spies' bike, of that there is zero doubt. But Lorenzo won races and eventually the title on the M1. Andrea Dovizioso put his satellite M1 on the podium multiple times. Cal Crutchlow, also, was extremely competitive on the 1000cc M1."
Courtesy - Soup :: Ben Spies: the Bad Patch :: 01-03-2013

Ben once stated he wants to be a Yamaha Rider throughout his career, what changed his mind was - 'We've invested a lot of money in you. Don't come to Laguna Seca if you aren't 100 percent.'
"Then, he added, 'We've lost confidence in you.'
And then when the guys is struggling, his swing arm broke? Do you really think we'll buy that one. Top level Motorcycle racing - swing arm broke? that's loads of BS if you ask me.

And you think that Ben was to blame? He might be, but not for all the results. I'm stressing on the fact that the sport is not just racing anymore, it's way more than that. And i'm not point fingers, just thinking out of the Box.

If none of you know this, there are already rumors that Rossi will retire this year and Cal will be offered to ride his M1 next year. Lin Jarvis says, "we want Cal to be on the M1 next year". I mean with Espargaro as target, Jorge and Smith already signed how does Yamaha expect to do that with 4 bikes in the field. And yes, they said they will stick to 4 bikes only. Does that ring a bell to anyone ? It's not tough to convince someone as old and successful as Vale to retire out of a 2 year contract with the results he's getting, in this case, especially for Yamaha.

Here is more to read - http://survivalofthefastest.wordpres...so-far-review/

I'm someone who doesn't believe in luck and for someone who does, this is for sure more than one can digest.

And did someone read at Motomatters that Rossi's clutch overheated and did not give him the expected start to the first corner.

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Mugello with Scott Jones -

Sunday at Mugello with Scott Jones

Scott Jones In Tuscany: Saturday Photos From Mugello | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

Mugello Round Up -

2013 Mugello MotoGP Round Up, Part 1: Lorenzo's Persistence, Cruchlow's Fierceness, And Honda's Hidden Weakness. | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

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[MENTION=11424]R-series[/MENTION]: yes what happened with ben is more than bad luck. what exactly happened is still a mystery, he went out of favour for yamaha, but why..?? was it because of lerenzo or sponsors..??

and then why they moved him to factory bike, in the first place..??

and why rossi seems to be going the similar way..??

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Yes I do expect the failures Ben Spies faced in Laguna Seca with the swing arm failure at the cork screw and engine blowing off in Indianapolis and heated clutch in Brno which made him to crash and a tire failure a chunk of his rear tire coming out ( you blame Yamaha for that too) what is the purpose to keep a rider behind Jorge Lorenzo when he is not sure about whether he will continue after 2014 to take a early exit like Casey ... My question is why they have to do these when they don't want to continue with the rider its much simple for them so sign a contract with a different rider ...

And they declined Monster Energy sponsor because Rockstar Energy personally signed Jorge and Ben Spies was with Monster Energy so when they have to pull out Jorge from Rockstar contract they have to pay a huge sum .. But this year because Rossi is returning Monster Energy was ready to pay even the amount to pull Lorenzo from Rockstar Energy contract so Yamaha went ahead and made a contract with Monster energy and also I was mentioning about the title sponsors like Fiat, Marlbaro etc not the normal sponsors..

Also Ben Spies was the only rider to give Yamaha their sole WSBK title so why they have to put him to shame. In 2011 he took a sole win in Assen that too Lorenzo was taken out by Marco Simoncelli in the very first turn made him win that grand prix and three more podiums including the dramatic Valencia 2nd place he didn't achieve much higher and to be noted he scored the same points that he scored the previous year with satellite tech 3 Yamaha ...

My question is why they need to hire a second rider when they need Lorenzo to win when he is doing that beating the rival Honda's consistently why Yamaha should spend millions on a second rider when there is a world wide economic depression

One more thing I am not new to Motogp and I have a different strategy

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Oops sorry, I guess I was a bit off the line to not clear some of my statements. I get it that your not new, understood
The statement with the "strategy" word was in regards to a company. I mean Yamaha would not want Honda to know it's strategy. I'm sure your aware that Honda and Yamaha literally hate each other. It's more like India-Pakistan type thingy. So I mean that I being one brand would not want you to know my strategy

Ok the reason what I can think of for what Yamaha did can be to make way for Rossi. If Ben would be qualifying good enough, or giving good results it would be difficult for Yamaha to justify their signing of Rossi.

Ok lets forget Ben for a moment and consider the current situation. Everyone of you I'm sure would want Yamaha to keep the talent of Cal. There have been many surveys online and everyone is in favor of Yamaha keeping Cal. Now the current situation does not allow Yamaha to keep all it's riders and sign Espargaro.
Now if they let off Rossi in between his 2 year contract and sign Cal instead...would you like it? Yamaha already has very less global market compared to honda, it cannot afford loosing their image. Especially in this time of www. News travels from mouth to ears within seconds.

Now last year we all were happy for rossi signing Yamaha why? because Ben was not performing, if Ben was getting regular podiums, do you think it would have been justified he be replaced by Rossi. We might say yes just because we like Rossi.
But think about if. We are the same people who now want Cal to stay, Yamaha might want to justify his move to the factory M1 which rossi's consistent failure.
Lets see the facts -
Year Series Pole Races Pod Wins 2nd 3rd Fastlaps Position
2013 MotoGP 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 16th*
2012 MotoGP 0 16 0 0 0 0 0 10th
2011 MotoGP 0 16 4 1 1 2 1 5th
2010 MotoGP 1 17 2 0 1 1 0 6th
2009 World Sbk 11 28 17 14 2 1 6 1st
2008 AMA Sbk 15 19 18 10 8 0 11 1st
2007 AMA Sbk 15 19 19 8 11 0 9 1st
2007 AMA Stk 7 8 7 7 0 0 6 1st
2006 AMA Sbk 13 19 17 10 6 1 9 1st

Do we really think one season was enough to remove Ben from factory ride, No he should have been given another chance, but no. Yamaha had more interest in Rossi, they had to justify his move. I was happy for Rossi being back on Yamaha, but not at the expense of Ben, at least not the way it was done.

But guys this is just a Conspiracy theory I've read and believe. The facts and figures force me too. This might not be the case again, but honestly, I don't believe Yamaha anymore and that's the reason why if Rossi doesn't take it, I want a Honda rider to lift this years title. Since Marc is new I'm backing Pedrosa this time.
Believe me guys Ben is an amazing talent for people who have seen him and in MotoGP early years cannot believe his removal from Factory ride. I was never convinced for Ben being separated from Factory rider just because of one season. But now since I've seen it, If Yamaha is not playing again, Rossi should be up to speed. I wouldn't accept technical failures to reduce his pace this year. (I know no one gives a damn about it ) But c'mon if Rossi can do Qatar once, he can surely do it again. Rossi has all engineers of his own, but they are not the ones who make the parts, they are supplied by Yamaha.

To answer what Prince asked
...and then why they moved him to factory bike, in the first place..??
Answer that I can think of is that it wasn't planned. Rossi was expected to keep performing at the top level till Cal started raising his voice against signing Espargaro. Now since he's performing exceptionally well as a satellite rider, who can deny him a factory ride if Rossi is also performing along with Lorenzo? They didn't have a reason earlier, their had it in mind. Now they have a reason. It's just a coincidence that it happened 2 consecutive years . Again, this is my explanation that I can think of. No proof, no source. Just assumptions. And im not forcing anyone to believe this, just putting my point here.

and why rossi seems to be going the similar way..??
Answer is above, they need Cal since he;s performing well. Consider another case. 2014 - Rossi retired, Jorge and Cal(2yr contract) on Factory, Espargaro and Smith in Tech3. Now Espargaro performs well, comes 4th, takes rookie of the year 2014, Marc takes Title and Jorge and Cal come 2nd and 3rd. So Now Yamaha has 3 in top 4 but no champ. Who's the next target ? Cal already has a 2015 contract and Espargaro wants a factory ride.
Don't you think they'll get rid of Jorge again and bring the rookie to a factory ride. They did it with Rossi when he gave the ultimatum, they can surely do it again.

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well, then its extremely flawed and short term thinking by yamaha. lets just hope that rossi starts to get results by the end of this season and once again force yamaha tto change their thinking... he he...

i would like to see him in 2014 and beyond.

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And I thought MotoGP is clean and don't have politics in it

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now I am wondering, do Honda's have similar thinking?

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@Rseries:
Nice view.
I know lot of people would be thinking the same way, and it is correct. This is the way things are going on in Yamaha.
After Rossi joined, they have turned the Yamaha racing team into a Regular title contender, that too against companies like Honda, who we've seen pumping so much Money for racing.
I used to hate Honda who made Hayden test parts even though he was in title contention. Yamaha also not respecting riders any more I think.
Anyways, there isnt any hard evidence, things just seem this way.
If Rossi leaves this year, I hope they lose their sponsors again...
I heard on Eurosports, the commentators saying something about Cal would get factory ride, I hope he gets Suzuki deal soon

About the technical faults in the bikes, doesnt the rider get to question? For instance, why clutch over-heated. They do practice start for a reason don't they??

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Performance or no performance, Yamaha would get to say the final words.
Dovi was an awesome performer, beating Cal in every race. They would have let cal Go. (Maybe Dovi wanted to ride any factory machine, not sure)

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Sponsors, Sales.

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Yeah true they would surely get to question, like Jorge did when his tyres were not performing at LeMans. But questions from 2nd riders are often not taken seriously. Don't you think Ben would have questioned? or Hayden when he was with Rossi at Honda? They are just not taken seriously.
To answer the questions they can just say - "oh it was just a faulty part, we'll keep a check on that in the future." The rider can't sue the company on this basis right?
The fact still is that, believe it or not, Rossi is the 2nd rider for Yamaha. He's just a refugee till he retires. Otherwise he didn't have any other place to go after those disastrous seasons at Ducati.

By bringing all this up I just have 2 objectives, either expose Yamaha for their strategies or let riders decide on their own on who's better and deserves what.
So the next few races should answer our questions. Is Yamaha playing or was Ben's case just a one off.
For sure Yamaha is not taking the big one this year. The seamless gearbox is still no where in news

Btw another interesting fact. Check out the difference in shift timings of Yamaha and Honda. Courtesy - Is Yamaha Using A Seamless Gearbox? The Data Says No | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

Averages for the Honda and the Yamaha:
Honda can ideally change around 3 times faster than a Yamaha
So by the time Yamaha exists a given corner at about 130 or so, Honda would already be near 140 or something (given the difference in power as well)

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@R-series
I do agree
About Ben Spies, I watch WSBK(till last year,) He's awsome rider. When he got the Factory ride, i thought he would Rock, but we all know what happen.

Ben would have complained for sure.
But if these kind of things have to change, i believe Rossi can (Skeptical but hope is a big word you know, ).
I Remember in 2006 he ran into quite a lot of problems, but those are different times. Now Rossi's on a weak bridge. Has to be careful.

Lorenzo had made a comment, maybe it was after Casey's Retirement, that he would not stay long.(I dunno if he was referring to Rossi). So this would be a better time than any. (kiddin )
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I too don't want to see a legend like Rossi to walk away like Ben I do accept your thinking R-Series and definitely Yamaha doesn't want Rossi to go like that we all forget one thing Tech 3 was already revealing their own chassis plonked with Yamaha leased engine why not a strategy like this Bradley Smith pushed to that bike retaining Pol and Cal in the same team with Cal as a lead rider and Pol as a second one with Rossi and Lorenzo continuing in the same team with Rossi retiring next year they will bring in either Cal or Pol in the factory squad ... I will closely watch the races to come if Rossi is suffering from technical issues with the bike and also we should not forget the tracks in the second half are Honda dominated tracks and this year Yamaha is clearly struggling without seamless gearbox and a new power Marc ..... To all our discussions above few races to come will provide us the answer ... Fingers crossed for Rossi and Yamaha factory squad

Even Honda and Yamaha hate each other they have a mutual respect as well in the Motegi Honda musuem in order to respect 50th year anniversary of Yamaha in motogp they kept all the equivalent Yamaha bikes that contended for title with Honda

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Alpinestars releases telemetry data for the Marquez crash -

Alpinestars Releases Marquez’s 209.9 MPH Crash Telemetry

Pirro, Dovi and Hayden due to test the current and Lab bike this week in Mugello -



Marquez fine after the crash at Mugello -