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**Vijay1911** · 08-25-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post

rossi continues battling the satellite yamahas and hondas :P

Rossi need better starts. He has the potential

... Lorenzo gave a great fight.

**incipient** · 08-26-2013, 04:19 AM

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Haven't been following the MotoGP action for a while been busy with stuff.
Just opened the official site today and there it is Marquez won again. Holy shit!
I feel the MotoGP 2013 championship result is a foregone conclusion: Honda and Marquez win.
Now I am bored. :-P

**niranjanvaidya** · 08-26-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post

so who said lorenzo doesn't have racecraft or can't battle ? :X

massive race among the top 3...one of the best races and some of the best overtakes by lorenzo, but today it was clearer again the repsol honda, that too 2 of them, is a bit too much for a weaker yamaha (with no seamless either) to defend with all through the race when the riders riding them are so close to each other that the subtle bike differences matter a good deal. and it seemed like indy again with 2-3 laps to go lorenzo's tires seemingly went off while honda were relatively unaffected..whatever, although i am disappointed lorenzo didnt win despite one of the best efforts ever but i think as a supporter of 99 for the title, the mind has been pretty much oriented towards not seeing the title this year (as lorenzo himself said in the pre-event conf. that it doesn't seem like any yamaha riders are favorites for any races anymore), so i am otherwise quite positive on account of a massive race between 99 and 93..seriously i was shaking at some of those passes between these two dudes..shame that it couldn't go to the end what with lorenzo's bike seemingly off again in the last 2-3 laps (unless he intentionally slowed down or got too tired or something)..

99 and 93 on same bikes would be some shit to watch.

still in awe of lorenzo's outside and then inside pass on marquez on that S section 7 laps to go..and then his last corner pass 6 laps to go..great race between the 3 of them, but particularly between lorenzo and marquez.

rossi continues battling the satellite yamahas and hondas :P

Originally posted by R-series View Post

Rossi and Jorge are now getting frustrated since honda has not only faster bike, they have improved in braking as well. This was Yamaha's strong point but not anymore.
So I think, counting the seamless gearshift thats 3 areas. Acceleration, gearshift and now braking

Come on now guys, lets not take anything away from Marquez. The difference between the Honda and Yamaha is marginal and add to it, the Brno track is well suited to the Yamaha's character. Don't forget that Yamaha tested here some time back...bike setup should have been a tad bit easy. Marquez was riding the MotoGP machine at Brno for the first time and he did set it up "almost" correct.

I agree that the Honda is currently a better bike to go fast but the Yamaha has been built around Jorge and he does have that advantage as well. The pass from Marquez on Jorge was not just awesome, it was a torpedo pass...Jorge might not have anticipated this. At the end, "senior" riders like Jorge and Dani chose to salvage points rather than crashing.

Some one in the earlier posts referred to Dani as a sore loser but I disagree with this. At this moment, both Jorge and Dani have no answer to the Ant. As regards to Rossi, he was probably saved purely by his experience more than his riding skills. Bautista potentially had the package and the pace to get Rossi.

Lastly, did you all notice the body language and reactions from the top 5? Rossi was clearly spent and huffing away. Dani wore pain, fatigue and disappointment together. Jorge was clearly disappointed. Bautista was tired but seemed to be happy about the race result. The Ant on the other hand was jumping around and looked like he could do the race again.

**Makky** · 08-26-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Braumabull View Post

- motogp.com

Please shed light on this, or if anyone has a video or remember watching that particular race..
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@Makky:

Some more info mate.............

Originally posted by R-series View Post

I read that section on the motogp website too, but couldn't watch the video-it wasn't free. While watching the 125QP they did show a rabbit or a hare it was, running across the track couple of times. I had the TV on mute since my niece was sleeping in the same room, so I missed the commentary as well. Don't know what change in broadcasting that might have caused.

Don't know about the incident, boys. On a lighter note, I found this on my twitter account on Sat -

Debbie Pettet - "My dog ran up to the TV and tried chasing the hare running across the track at Brno! Crazy pup!"

......................................

Yamaha is testing their bikes again at Brno today.

**Dinesh.P** · 08-26-2013, 06:11 PM

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Sheer frustration from the Yamaha riders ..... Even the bike is developed around Jorge and even the circuit is favoring Yamaha the Honda's are damn fast ... In a couple of occasions Jorge passed Marc but was not able to pull away from them like what Marc and Dani did after they passed Jorge .... Honda's as mentioned are very good in breaking and also Lorenzo rode very tight line being cautious not to open the gate for the riders to pass as he did in the previous occasions But in the uphill section Yamaha's acceleration is no where near Honda.. In Brno Yamaha was strong in a couple of S's downhill and in stadium section but Honda has a advantage in the straight line and uphills and especially in the second part of the circuit Honda's are very strong .... Until Yamaha makes any improvement in the bike Repsol kids are going to fill top two positions :/

**R-series** · 08-26-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by dishayu View Post

I agree on the faster part. Mentally, I don't think he hasn't been put to the test yet. But that can change soon if Dani Boy and JLo can turn on the heat in the coming races.

On the part specific to Marc's mental strength:
What can Jorge Lorenzo do to stop him? Lorenzo's team manager Wilco Zeelenberg outlined their plan: try to put as much pressure on Marquez as they can, in the hope that he will make a mistake. So far, that plan has not had much success, Marquez appears to be immune to pressure. He keeps saying that even though he is leading the championship, there is no pressure on him to actually win it. Even if he crashed out of every race for the remainder of the season, he will still have had a phenomenal rookie year.
courtesy - 2013 Brno MotoGP Sunday Round Up: Three Great Races, And One Great Champion | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

**chinmayakar** · 08-26-2013, 07:36 PM

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Rossi was 10 secs behind. Is he running a setup that is inferior to Lorenzo? How could he possibly dream of staying competitive if he gets to play with a package that is not good enough to challenge top 3 riders? Or, is he past his prime and good enough to chase down likes of Bautista, Bradl, Crutchlow?

Waiting to hear from the experts.

**Makky** · 08-26-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Rossi was 10 secs behind. Is he running a setup that is inferior to Lorenzo? How could he possibly dream of staying competitive if he gets to play with a package that is not good enough to challenge top 3 riders? Or, is he past his prime and good enough to chase down likes of Bautista, Bradl, Crutchlow?

Waiting to hear from the experts.

I am no expert. The answer lies in your post itself. He is past his prime. Everyone knows that including Rossi himself.

Well, the teams are just given parts and the bikes are assembled with different permutations and combinations. Forget Rossi's M1 and Lorenzo's M1, Rossi's bike #1 will not be same as bike #2. Had you seen the race on Sunday, Rossi goes around the track, dives back to the pit lane, hops on to the other bike before making it to the grid.

In many a cases, teams treat their two racers in a different way, giving preference to one when the money is tight and when the second isn't performing well. But, I don't think anybody would do that to Rossi.

**rachitkdogra** · 08-26-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Rossi was 10 secs behind. Is he running a setup that is inferior to Lorenzo? How could he possibly dream of staying competitive if he gets to play with a package that is not good enough to challenge top 3 riders? Or, is he past his prime and good enough to chase down likes of Bautista, Bradl, Crutchlow?Waiting to hear from the experts.

From what I have gathered, its the tyres. To extract maximum out of these tyres, the bike needs to be ridden in a different way. Rossi might have quite a lot of experience on M1 but not with M1 on these tyres. He still has some scope of improvement in the setup. He still I guess is not 100% confident in braking. Plus the game has really moved to a very competitive form. Marc, Dani and Lorenzo are on top of their game. This is not helping Rossi either.

**B7ACKTHORN** · 08-26-2013, 09:51 PM

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Not to diss 9 times world champion. But his reign as the best is slowly but steadily reigning down. I love Vale too, but 46 just can't be 46 all the time. It's time for new entrants and new blood in the scene. And Marc is proving to be real worthy, of course I want him to win this year's Championship. Not to forget Lorrie, love this fella too. But any of these two guys, the chances are real high. I just don't think Vale has what it takes at least *for the current season* perhaps next year. Let's see.

Cheers!
VJ

**niranjanvaidya** · 08-26-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Rossi was 10 secs behind. Is he running a setup that is inferior to Lorenzo? How could he possibly dream of staying competitive if he gets to play with a package that is not good enough to challenge top 3 riders? Or, is he past his prime and good enough to chase down likes of Bautista, Bradl, Crutchlow?

Waiting to hear from the experts.

Rossi despite being Rossi is a human being after all. He is not immune to the natural aging process nor is he in the peak of his physical abilities. Not to mention the two years at Ducati which took away that precious touch factor. While he spent his time at Ducati wondering how to ride it, newer (relatively) riders like Jorge, Casey and Dani took the bar and moved it forward with sizzling pace at almost each track.

I have been a big fan of Rossi all these years and will remain so but there are so many others on the track who are worth similar admiration. Casey, Jorge, Dani and the newest wonder kid are just a handful of aliens who can ride those factory prototypes right to the edge of their performance envelope...not just in their peak physical conditions but beyond it, with broken bones and 200 mph crashes.

**incipient** · 08-27-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by R-series View Post

On the part specific to Marc's mental strength:
What can Jorge Lorenzo do to stop him? Lorenzo's team manager Wilco Zeelenberg outlined their plan: try to put as much pressure on Marquez as they can, in the hope that he will make a mistake. So far, that plan has not had much success, Marquez appears to be immune to pressure. He keeps saying that even though he is leading the championship, there is no pressure on him to actually win it. Even if he crashed out of every race for the remainder of the season, he will still have had a phenomenal rookie year.

Max Oxley calls Lorenzo's riding robotic. Lorenzo definitely comes across as human. Marquez has got a lively riding style but i think he is the real robot.
A perfectly engineered(trained) robot who's got the ruthlessness of Rossi in a race and the unreal talent of Stoner to take the bike to the limit and make it do what he wants. :-O

**R-series** · 08-27-2013, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by incipient View Post

Max Oxley calls Lorenzo's riding robotic. Lorenzo definitely comes across as human. Marquez has got a lively riding style but i think he is the real robot.
A perfectly engineered(trained) robot who's got the ruthlessness of Rossi in a race and the unreal talent of Stoner to take the bike to the limit and make it do what he wants. :-O

Exactly my point. That's why in the beginning I said, he's not only physically fast but mentally tougher.
Dani, Jorge and even Rossi now have tasted defeat and we all know they do not want to taste it. Right now Marc does not care about defeat. In fact he doesn't even think about it. He targets only the 1st spot. Maybe he'll change in the coming years but my point is, right now he's in that state of spirituality

. Just focusing on what he want's rather than the result of his achievement. Might be going over board. But the point is even if Marc come's 2nd or falls or whatever his target is 1st spot in the very next race. The kid damn cares about anything else.

**incipient** · 08-27-2013, 02:19 AM

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Yes, defeat it is. Must be a bitter pill to swallow for Lorenzo and Dani. Not so much perhaps for Rossi, i think he has a soft spot for Marquez. ;-P

**Braumabull** · 08-27-2013, 11:52 AM

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Good Job by Marquez and Dani, to some extent.
Not a big Lorenzo fan, but I loved the lap times, so consistent.
But watching Marquez ride, I think it would be correct to say that late braking is so important. Lorenzo, just needs to tweak his riding style a lil bit , cuz I have not seen Lorenzo riding a different line in the race like Marquez does. But good race, after a long time some good overtakes to watch.

I wonder how is Cals riding style, does he rely on braking late or carrying corner speed. Last year for sure both the tech 3 riders had a similar way of riding.....

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