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mm probably did pay attention to rossi questioning in italian media if he (mm) really did idolize him (vr) (which is in very poor taste coming from the biggest motogp star and a rider who everyone looks upto).. imo this is probably what really offended and hurt mm and ticked him off..no i am not rationalizing mm's attitude today but it didnt happen out of the vacuum but were a result of vr's statements in this weekend.

pretty sure they will not be gracious towards mm either if such a thing happens again next year..they (particularly jl) have criticised mm in the past plenty of times and this time they are doing so to vr since this time it's him who seems to have crossed the line (in their eyes anyway)...

apparently because according to him (and some others), other riders including himself have been given stricter penalties for similar incidences...this is a shared opinion of more than a few people in the paddock from what i see in their twitter accounts..plus lorenzo too is often short-tempered and ill-behaved in these type of situations.

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rossi didnt just look back or simply take a wider line though..as i said before, he could have taken the wider line as much as he wanted since he had the inside of the track all to himself...but he almost stood the bike up, looked back at mm 2-3 times seemingly as if to try to run him too wide (which rossi himself said) or off the track...one doesnt stand the bike up with throttle off and cruise out of the racing line just to take the widest line after all; the motive is pretty clear...what rossi probably didnt expect (or maybe he did, dunno) was that mm would not give in and still try to lean into the corner to avoid going any wider off, which resulted in mm's helmet touching rossi since they were separated by a few inches..

yes, he did...he probably shouldnt have still leaned into the corner coz he should have known he wasnt going to make it with rossi's bike still beside him standing up.

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many people here (sorry tired of quoting) have said earlier and are saying that mm should just have left vr to his own race because the guy is fighting for his 10th title...but that's like saying, for instance, that the 5-6 moto3 guys should not have battled today with danny kent and oliviera because they are both fighting also for the title...it's every rider on his own and every race of its own for them, even if it's the matter of valentino rossi and his 10th title...


either way, this championship is tainted now irrespective of whether rossi wins it or lorenzo...quite a weird and controversial anti-climax to a great season...no matter who wins it, for a long time the season will be mostly remembered for what happened today and depending on where one's allegiances lie, either winner will be deducted a lot of credit and support for winning it.

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Not many cared for jl's dancing in the pits today 😂

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I never remembered such a thing from the past. This is the worst moment for Motogp in quite sometime. This was a simply in-your-face attack by Marquez. It was so deliberate. Marquez is acting so childish. He wants to blame somebody for his Championship loss this year, when the fact is he himself crashed out of the Championship many times. Marquez is the only rider who tries impossible braking & then blames others when things go wrong.!

The truth is: Marc Marquez made Rossi lose the Championship. Rossi is fighting for his 10th championship at the age of 36. Probably he'll never get a shot at it again. Marquez have a heart. Nowadays, it's one bad accident & game over for Rossi at 36.!

If it hadn't been for Marquez, Rossi could've very well claimed 2nd, what with his good track record at Sepang and blistering race-end pace. Now, all the best for Valencia. Last year, Lorenzo had a DNF there though. But, I think this year, the title is very much in the hands of Lorenzo with Marquez riding solely for the purpose of causing trouble to Rossi (Source: motogp.com)

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After the MM crash, how much time/gap did VR closed between him and DP or JL for that matter?

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because both vr and dani were not nearly as fast as jlo and mm for the most part of 2013..i am sure if they were as fast as them and therefore able to race with them, they would have done so because thats what racers are supposed to do irrespective of which other rider's championship is on the line...

btw, as you have also already said, dani and jlo did fight fiercely with each other in valencia 2013..dani did so because he was able to carry comparable speed as lorenzo (of course everyone later on realized jl was managing the race and was riding slow for the first half of the session) and he didnt back off as he shouldn't have.

sorry for the late quote on that, i thought i had already written this post but apparently i forgot.

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a correction - i (and another poster) wrote earlier, based on some tweets from some journalists, that lorenzo apparently had barged into race direction's meeting with mm and vr and interfered with the process...it now appears that such was not the case according to gavin emmett who says he was with jl at that time in an interview room which is in the same floor as the RD meeting room..

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It could've been like Catalunya & LeMans. Where Rossi preserved his rear tyres initially & was neck & neck with Lorenzo in the dying moments. Don't forget Rossi is a Sunday rider and makes astonishing recoveries in the race. Moreover, Rossi has incredible record at the Sepang circuit. It's a track "He Likes" and performs well. And don't forget, JL after initially burning off his rubber, drops pace like anything in the second half of the race.

Also, it was the incident with Marquez that had a bearing on that 9 sec gap to Lorenzo. After all, imagine what might have been going through his mind after an incident like that; the fact that he has totally been surrounded by the Spaniards.!! Have some heart guys.[emoji23] [emoji23]

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Agreed about VR46's race pace in 2013, however, dani had an equal race pace with lorenzo/marc.

When I meant interference with championship, I referred to letting one rider have a free pass and fighting or holding the another rider, which is exactly what Marc was doing. If you remember, dani won the Malaysian GP, however, he didn't interfere or block Marc to jam him with JLo. Malaysian GP was a significant, as it's right after Marc severing the throttle response sensor of dani and virtually take him out of the championship equation. Still he showed great sportsmanship by just concentrating on his race alone, rather than interfering with other.

In 2013 Valencia's mini battle, dani was merely trying to win the race, which he has every right to do.

If Marc, didn't let JLo have a free pass and fight with dani for 25 points and max he can get with his race pace, it would not even be an issue.

FIM steward has rejected the appeal and now VR46 has to start at the back of the grid. Case closed.

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you seem to be living in a different world man because none of that actually happened even a little bit in this race...no one burnt their tyres prematurely, no one seems to have preserved their tyres any more than others, no one's pace got stronger in the latter half compared to anyone, nothing...if at all anything, even after MM's crash, rossi's pace wasnt stronger than jl's in fact he had more number of slower lap times...once rossi was passed by lorenzo, rossi couldnt really do much about it in the couple of laps before he and mm started fighting and there already was a bit of a gap between jl and rossi by then.

people in general need to get it out of their heads that mm should not have battled with rossi (even though he had the same race pace as rossi) and should have just let him through just because rossi is fighting for his 10th title..it's not some "let me make your life easier" activity that they are participating in..
in particular both rossi and marquez (and their fans) more so than anyone else have reminded everyone in the past how it is all racing and everything's fair in racing etc, so none of these dogfight loving cutthroat riders is expected to give any leeway to the other nor expect any leeway from the other no matter who's more important to the championship than the other...considering this it's quite surprising how rossi expected mm to not battle with him just because he is a title contender (!!), well then he should have been somehow faster than mm so that once he overtakes mm he could just gap him out at once...both rossi and mm were dishing out hard but fair moves on each other and none of their passes was something that has never happened before a million times already, until of course that particular incident on lap 7.

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danantha - i really dont think mm let lorenzo have a free pass by intentionally running wide, i think assuming that is a bit too far fetched a speculation...no one wants to intentionally run wide and let someone pass them, least of all a guy like mm and that too for a guy like lorenzo with whom he doesnt even share much warm relationships apart from formalities in front of the camera...it's a bit too much to assume, but people will see what they want to see anyways. :-)

mm ran wide a few times (and not just the time jl overtook him) in his short span in this race...besides, jl was posting fastest lap times one after another in the part of the race when he overtook mm, and mm was running a few tenths slower pace than jl in the same time..

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Not only me sirjee. But many people are on many blogs. They are predicting the same thing could have happened if Marquez had not interfered deliberately with Rossi. Rossi was already latching on to the tail of JLo until Marquez made his trademark impossible braking pass in Turn 10. And Rossi generally has good results on this track. In fact, he is better here than Lorenzo. Who knows what could have happened in the second half of the race where Rossi is generally stronger and catches up unlike anything.

P.S.: JLo fans say that he is the GOAT bcoz of his dominant performances. But, don't forget the years he won the World Championship, Rossi was either injured/different team.
2010- Rossi had a bad ankle injury and was out for most of the season & then recovering post injury which again takes time,
2012- Rossi was battling the Carbon Fibre madness of Ducati engineers. &,
2015- Rossi battled with child-like Marquez. Lol.

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but just because Rossi may hurt Marquez's feelings doesn't give MM a reason to take away a much deserved

and well earned 10th championship from a guy who has been begging to be left alone all weekend!

Hurt and offended? that is not a good enough excuse for a rider who wants to last in motoGP for another 15 years.


Lorenzo and any other MotoGP rider who brings up 125/250 incidents is just being silly.

Moto3 and Moto2 are at a much lower level than MotoGP. Moto3/2 is full of trigger happy teens and immature racers.

A lot of idiots who have far less regard for another racers life tahn they should.

MotoGP is considered to be an elite class consisting of the worlds finest racers.

Dani Pedrosa, in todays interview, was spot on when he said,
"The rules need to be more black and white. Young riders move through the moto3 and moto2 class and think they can ride the same way in motoGP."

Marc Marquez is brilliant. Marquez Marquez may very well win 9/10 championships too.

But Marc Marquez will end up killing himself or another rider in the next few years if he doesn't get that giant stick-shaped-ego out of his ass soon.

There is no way Marquez can push his luck in MotoGP for more than a few years.

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I just hope JL wins the race and Rossi finishes 3rd or lower.

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I dont know how to reply to your post .

You cannot compare the Moto3 race to what happened today or Australia. Just to overtake a guy and then try to slow him down so much that both of them are far from the group. How many Riders did that to Kent today?? (Dani and Jlo.) Lap 2 you are in 2'00.818 and Lap 3 you are 2 secs slower?? Overheating tyres anyone.

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someone in facebook just reminded me of motegi 2010 lorenzo vs rossi, and how those (including rossi himself) who are saying how MM should not have "interfered" with rossi because the latter is fighting for his title have conveniently forgotten the same kinda "interference" that rossi did to lorenzo 5 years ago even though the former was out of contention for the title at that time..both incidences involved the "interferer" trying to prove a point... just saying :-)

the counter argument to this is that rossi hadnt actually interfered but just rode a hard race but MM did actually interfere because rossi and lorenzo had the same pace on that race 5 yrs ago but MM apparently had a faster pace than rossi today but intentionally ran wide to let lorenzo pass him and slowed down to disturb VR..unfortunately for those with this argument, there's no objective evidence or even any indication supporting the assertion that MM ideally had a faster pace than VR and JL today (all seemed to have comparable pace in the practice sessions, and as usual the actual races depend only so much on the performances in the practices), nor can there be any evidence or indication that he ran wide intentionally (something no rider will ever do even for his mother) to give a free pass to jl..

imo, none of the two events separated by 5 years had any interference from anyone..both times it was just hard racing, except for today's particular "incident".

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Too many Rossi fans! lol

I would only say one thing to Rossi 'Life is a boomerang and MotoGP riders are no exception to it. '

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Also... Lorenzo was photographed overtaking when there was yellow flag out.

Can he be penalized one position and will Rossi be given second place?