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  • #166
    Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
    Underpowered you say... hmm... do me a favor... pick up this month's Bike issue and check out the lap timings of the shootout they did... even after 2 years, no other bike (Indian) that can match its lap times... and by the way, head for the R15 ownership thread... you will find that most if not all over there bought their R15 after seeing the specs and making an informed decision and not just on the basis of YAMAHA name...

    In case you follow MotoGP... traditionally Yamaha M1 does not make as much outright power or have the highest top speeds (many a times it is a good 5 to 7 kms slower than the Ducati and Honda) but it still has won 8 of the 10 races this season so far... power is not be all want all...
    Ok since you are the only one who has read the Bike .Tell me which other bike in the shootout has the R15's chassis,FI,suspension,liquid cooled engine,full fairing?
    Look man ,let's not go there.I've been following motogp too and i have seen as many summers as you have .I am no spring chicken when it comes to watching motogp on tv or following the developments there.
    Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-22-2010, 01:20 AM.
    Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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    • #167
      Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
      Ok since you are the only one who has read the Bike .Tell me which other bike in the shootout has the R15's chassis,FI,suspension,liquid cooled engine,full fairing?
      Look man ,let's not go there.I've been following motogp too and i have seen as many summers as you have .I am no spring chicken when it comes to watching motogp on tv or following the developments there.
      Ohhh...you really are on a short trigger ain't you? Ok... no arguments... but in any case you just made my point, lap timings are not based on outright power, but on how that power is made and put to the tarmac...

      and since you know so much about MotoGp, you will also be aware of the fact during the 2 stroke era, the 500cc 2 stroke machines were making 240 to 250 BHP... the problem was not making power... it was the fact that on the straights the bikes were not able to get all that power onto the tarmac... the rear wheel was spinning and was only able to put 50% of the power on the tarmac... the rest was lost in the spinning...

      By the way, the first GP that I saw was in 1979 in U.K., which was an epic battle between Barry Sheene and Kenny Roberts... and no I did not see on T.V...
      Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

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      • #168
        Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
        Ohhh...you really are on a short trigger ain't you? Ok... no arguments... but in any case you just made my point, lap timings are not based on outright power, but on how that power is made and put to the tarmac...
        Well it seems to me that you and the other guy(satyan) are playing tag team against me ,so i deserve every right to be on a hair trigger
        Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
        and since you know so much about MotoGp, you will also be aware of the fact during the 2 stroke era, the 500cc 2 stroke machines were making 240 to 250 BHP... the problem was not making power... it was the fact that on the straights the bikes were not able to get all that power onto the tarmac... the rear wheel was spinning and was only able to put 50% of the power on the tarmac... the rest was lost in the spinning...
        Here you go ,once again cranking me up! and yeah! i am very much aware of the things you mentioned .

        Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

        By the way, the first GP that I saw was in 1979 in U.K., which was an epic battle between Barry Sheene and Kenny Roberts... and no I did not see on T.V...
        Good for you ! and i mean it without any sarcasm.Hopefully someday i intend to watch one too and yeah not on tv.
        Let me apologise first, seeing your id i assumed you must be 31 and called you in a un friendly manner as 'buddy' .I am sorry for that.
        Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-22-2010, 02:56 AM.
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        • #169
          Yawn, I got better things in life to do than tag with someone to prove something to anyone.
          Its ok to have an opinion, but it isnt to throw it on someone... that applies to me as well, so I just told you what you should\could have done... read and understand and if you want to react then react on the visitors page as this discussion here has got NOTHING to do with the topic..

          So when you say it doesnt deserve the blah blah blah and it ends with Period.. You probably need tampons...!
          I would still love to hear What kinda tech would you love to see on different CC segments of bike, and in what price so that I could probably help someone come up with a nice 'tech-spec-price-parity' model for manufacturers!
          Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more

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          • #170
            Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
            Hey buddy ,don't take it literally use your imagination.#1 It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
            #2 Slightly super sizing the existing specs and strengthening the existing reciprocating parts couldn't have cost much.
             What about the other 4 valve air cooled bikes which were here and the one that is currently here?That too from kinetic and bajaj !!

            #3 Not everyone sees the YAMAHA sticker and puts down the money .Some also see the specs.I will once again repeat what i've said.It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
            Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
            That is by far the MOST amusing things I have heard for a long time.
            Response to point#1
            Under powered for the tech it has? So more the tech it should have more the power? By your logic, the low tech (which in India is probably hard to differentiate, but may be the old government banned) 2 strokers should not have ANY power! Or may be you meant to say that we dont deserve using the tech on the low powered bikes.

            #Response to Point 2 and 3
            The so called professional tuners around swear by the R15 engine for the kind of work it has.

            #Response to Point 1, 2 and 3
            Almost all of them echo that the R15 engine has been built to almost the highest standards and performance that could have been safely utilized from that mill.
            Then again there are people who have taken it a few more notches ahead... but for 'specific' circuit use...

            Would love to hear two things from you
            What tech according to you does a 100, 125, 150, 200, 250, 400 CC mills deserve?
            I am not even considering the price points...

            Do write! It would be a good insight to a lot of manufacturers!
            Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
            #useless flaimbait
            First of all try and understand the things written before making posts and calling things funny!!
            Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
            Touche...

            Read your posts and do read mine again, and do let me know (preferably on my visitor page if you thought I didnt read it..
            I wrote about under powered, about over sizing it a bit, the cost, and lastly the funny line about so much tech deserving more performance, that too in a market where we dont have any other product offering similar specs be it the chassis it houses, or anything else!
            Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
            Touche yourself !

            Where in my previous post have i mentioned anything about the bike lacking in tech?
            Have i mentioned anything about lower capacity bikes not deserving the tech either? in my previous post?
            Please tell me where in that post have i mentioned about 2-strokes being low-techs or as you seem to mean old-tech?
            Also while you are at it ,do tell me where in that post have i mentioned that 2-strokes dont deserve these tech?
            Clearly Missed the point, so made it a bit easier to read... and
            PS: Touche
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            #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
            #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
            #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
            #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
            #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
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            • #171
              Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
              Clearly Missed the point, so made it a bit easier to read... and
              PS: Touche
              Yeah my point exactly i've got better things to do than to try and clear up things with you.You are the one who needs to read it more and to keep reading till all your assumptions go away.About the tampons you are the one who assumed it once again .So you deserve it .No contest there!
              Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-22-2010, 04:23 AM.
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              • #172
                Cool down guys..

                The R15 and the FZ has taken the motorcycle scene at least 2/3 notches up.. be it in technology, handling or in styling. One has to give it to them.

                But does the YBR 110/125 or the SZ fit into the brand image of Yamaha?



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                • #173
                  Yamaha needs to sell in numbers if they want to survive as a company, just R15 and FZ are not enough, hence to do it

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                  • #174
                    Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                    PS: Touche






                    I want to say something but fearing that it may add fuel to fire I'll stay mum.

                    A good long ride can clear your mind, restore your faith, and use up a lot of fuel.

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                    • #175
                      Originally posted by payeng View Post
                      Cool down guys..

                      The R15 and the FZ has taken the motorcycle scene at least 2/3 notches up.. be it in technology, handling or in styling. One has to give it to them.

                      But does the YBR 110/125 or the SZ fit into the brand image of Yamaha?


                      The question is not about YBR 110/125 or the SZ fitting in to the brand image... the question is how does Yamaha get the numbers that it requires to remain relevant in the Indian bike market... lets face it... its the commuters that are the bread and butter of all bike manufactures... for example the Honda Cub was never glamorous but it was the bread and butter of the company for many years and not the CBR Hurricane...

                      The point is that the commuters provide the finance and ability to develop the bikes that excite us in this forum...
                      Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

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                      • #176
                        Originally posted by satishg View Post
                        Yamaha needs to sell in numbers if they want to survive as a company, just R15 and FZ are not enough, hence to do it
                        According to me simple commuting bikes is not exactly Yamaha's center (at least in India).

                        Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                        lets face it... its the commuters that are the bread and butter of all bike manufactures... for example the Honda Cub was never glamorous but it was the bread and butter of the company for many years and not the CBR Hurricane...
                        That's because of Honda's center, which is "reliabily & efficiency".

                        Don't we often hear this comment, "Its a Honda product (be it a car, bike, scooter or a power generator) it will be reliable and efficient.", in its many forms everywhere inclucing xBhp?

                        The CBR is not the central image of Honda. It is just the cherry on top of the cake.


                        One has to know where one's center lies and leverage it and then try to stretch ones limits.

                        For example Harley's center is in making big burly, lifestyle bikes projecting the American Image.
                        It can't try to imitate the Japanese crotch rockets, or can make unisex scooters.. can it?




                        Last edited by payeng; 08-22-2010, 01:04 PM.

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                        • #177
                          Originally posted by payeng View Post
                          Cool down guys..

                          The R15 and the FZ has taken the motorcycle scene at least 2/3 notches up.. be it in technology, handling or in styling. One has to give it to them.

                          But does the YBR 110/125 or the SZ fit into the brand image of Yamaha?
                          +1 on the motorcycle scene bit, The SZ sure fits into the scheme of things, but yeah its the commuting segment that would need some brand building. Talk to anyone about Yamaha and the brand oodles performance! Be it a rickshaw driver, or my dad. From them the brand Yamaha has always been something that produced tough, and crazy bikes!
                          This halo is both a boon and a bane! It automatically creates a perception about the bike in any class (be it in 100CC, or 150CC) being tough, and being powerful! A Max4R from Yamaha would have done better numbers than TVS with this image.

                          The new TVCs (not sure if they are on air yet) shows how desperately Yamaha is trying to hit an emotional chord in trying to revive the image of YAMAHA as a clear family member of past. Its like taking the route B into the homes now.... lets see how well can they do in this!

                          Originally posted by satishg View Post
                          Yamaha needs to sell in numbers if they want to survive as a company, just R15 and FZ are not enough, hence to do it
                          Absolutely agreed!

                          Originally posted by Parth View Post






                          I want to say something but fearing that it may add fuel to fire I'll stay mum.

                          As long as you are tagging on my side I am cool


                          Originally posted by payeng View Post
                          According to me simple commuting bikes is not exactly Yamaha's center (at least in India).



                          That's because of Honda's center, which is "reliabily & efficiency".
                          The CBR is not the central image of Honda. It is just the cherry on top of the cake.


                          One has to know where one's center lies and leverage it.

                          For example Harley's center is in making lifestyle bikes showcasing the American Image. It can't imitate the Japanese crotch rockets, can it?



                          Bingo!
                          Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more

                          .: FB :.|.: TW :.|*IG*| Ex                           PowerDrift:.

                          #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
                          #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                          #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
                          #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
                          #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
                          � Satyen Poojary

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                          • #178
                            Some snaps I took when I went to take delivery of My SS 125!

                            Yes Yamaha!!

                            Disappointed with this one though...Looked disproportionate..The muscular exhaust looks bad on a malnourished body..Nice fuel tank though...The console is disappointing..No engine kill...WORST of all no discs...No kicker.( if it was supposed to target the Disco 150, it shld hav been there)..No Tacho..

                            Overall I went for a premium 125 ( Yamaha SS 125) rather than a mediocre 150 cc

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                            • #179
                              I remember that the fz/fazer had a feature called single axis balancer which helped in reducing the vibrations. Is the same feature present in SZ also since the same fz engine has been used.
                              NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THAT

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                              • #180
                                Well well well.. Yamaha seems to have got lot of feedback about absence of discs on SZ.. according to Bike India.. they are going to incorporate discs for SZ's within two months.
                                Let's bring down the monster of corruption to it's knees.. please visit http://ipaidabribe.com/

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