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  • #151
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    jap mentality i guess..honda,yamaha and suzuki especially..the latter two have products which have met with success but the former is a dud compared to the other OEMs...
    Anyway,what i meant to say was,they want volumes and this the the product which will help them achieve numbers.It all boils down to business at the end of the day...for yamaha,it's the FZ and R15 for higher end of the market and SZ,YBRs for volumes
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    • #152
      A very good looking bike there for that price. Why wouldn't they give a little better grab rail??? even the Activa has a better one!

      Now, all that Yamaha needs to ensure is:
      1) it gives good mileage - considering it is on FZ's engine block, though detuned!
      2) footfall into Yamaha showrooms


      Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
      but where the hell is disc rake Yamaha giving discs in their 125cc bike and not giving in 150cc bike is pure
      I'd say it is a smart move. There is a 150mm drum brake at the front. Probably the largest front drum in a production 2 wheeler now (of course, in India). Most people don't even use the front brake. And the disc brakes, people are scared even to touch the lever. From business point of view, why give something most people don't want and rise the cost?
      Last edited by HydBiker; 08-13-2010, 09:10 PM.

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      • #153
        @srini
        I'll give the answer as to why yamaha cant come up with another model of the sz with the specs mentioned in my previous post.The answer is plain and simple,an SZ variant with 4 valve head with RTR beating performance in a air cooled guise can easily be made by yamaha.But embarrassingly it might not only end up beating the RTR ,it might end up coming close to the R15 in performance, their flag ship model !!!!(manufactured in india).
        Yamaha erred big time in product planning when they came out with the R15 ,because it should have been a 200cc 25 bhp bike in the first place to justify the super bike tech which has gone into it.Then they could have had some breathing space to develop a sporty SZ variant with 17 bhp to beat the RTR at the same pricing range as the RTR.
        Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-13-2010, 06:50 PM.
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        • #154
          @all

          Guys, as mentioned in the above post, I knew many people who still hesitate to use the front brake of their bikes(Splendour, Disco etc). I think since Yammie is targeting the commuter mass, it has omitted the disk brake option.

          Anyway I don't think that will be a big issue as Sz bikes are mainly for city commuting. For the bike enthusiasts we have FZ to take care of all their needs.

          It is really a great strategy followed by Yamaha. If I have to take Disco150 or SZ, definitely I ll go for Yamaha. Even though it has not got the gimmicks as Disco, it ll still serve as a reliable work horse for years which is what I look for.

          Also I have a question, do RD have disk brake as std fitment ?

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          • #155
            Originally posted by karthikbenz View Post
            Also I have a question, do RD have disk brake as std fitment ?
            oh! during that era disc brakes were alien stuff for us.

            And, in my opinion, that is among the biggest downers for an RD. It had the power to go but not the ability to handle that power easily or the power to stop. I literally pissed in my pants when I released the clutch on an RD... stopped it somehow and pushed the monster back to its owner.
            Last edited by HydBiker; 08-13-2010, 09:19 PM.

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            • #156
              Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
              @srini
              I'll give the answer as to why yamaha cant come up with another model of the sz with the specs mentioned in my previous post.The answer is plain and simple,an SZ variant with 4 valve head with RTR beating performance in a air cooled guise can easily be made by yamaha.But embarrassingly it might not only end up beating the RTR ,it might end up coming close to the R15 in performance, their flag ship model !!!!(manufactured in india).
              Yamaha erred big time in product planning when they came out with the R15 ,because it should have been a 200cc 25 bhp bike in the first place to justify the super bike tech which has gone into it.Then they could have had some breathing space to develop a sporty SZ variant with 17 bhp to beat the RTR at the same pricing range as the RTR.
              well,i cant seem to disagree....
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              • #157
                typical Jap mentality.. they had to leave out features, which are given on competing models to come up with good pricing. Will have to wait & see how this is gonna work out for Yamaha.. still don't understand why can't they give disc on front.. disc is always better than drum and easy to maintain, it just needs some getting used to. When all the competing models have discs, it's not easy for Yamaha to sell one without disc!! (well don't mean to say that people buy discs, but it's something that gets counted)
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                • #158
                  The SZ is THE best looking bike out there and there'll be lot of guys who'd be tempted to buy it just because of that .But for any bike lover there will be second thoughts too because of a lack of disc brake at the front.I mean it should have been there as an option at least.
                  Then the engine spec part,it should have had similar torque figures as the unicorn at least .That is making peak torque at 5500rpm to 6k rpm and 13 bhp.I am sure yamaha could have tuned the engine for fuel efficiency .Combined with the shocking price and 5 year warranty ,it would have eaten into pulsar150, unicorn and gs150r market shares ,big time.
                  Since other specs are different from the fz series and it could have been tuned for efficiency .So it would have been in a different segment.
                  Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-18-2010, 06:15 PM.
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                  • #159
                    Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                    @srini
                    Yamaha erred big time in product planning when they came out with the R15 ,because it should have been a 200cc 25 bhp bike in the first place to justify the super bike tech which has gone into it.Then they could have had some breathing space to develop a sporty SZ variant with 17 bhp to beat the RTR at the same pricing range as the RTR.
                    At the cost of Rs. 1 Lac the R15 is not a volume bike.... you think it should have been a 200cc 25 HP bike... consider this... Yamaha does not have anything in its stable that is a single cylinder 200 cc, therefore it would have had to built that engine from the drawing board up (which is a very expensive affair)... now consider this... the existing R15 engine is an upgrade of Yamaha Vixion engine... thereby the development cost was kept low... and even then the cost of Rs. 1 Lac seems too much to many (not me)... its funny how people want all the bells and whistles but do not put their money on the table when the same are made available... also another point... a 4 valve 150 cc engine would definitely cost more to make than a 2 valve engine (2 more valves and its associated parts plus the labour at the very least)...
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                    • #160
                      Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                      At the cost of Rs. 1 Lac the R15 is not a volume bike.... you think it should have been a 200cc 25 HP bike... consider this... Yamaha does not have anything in its stable that is a single cylinder 200 cc, therefore it would have had to built that engine from the drawing board up (which is a very expensive affair)... now consider this... the existing R15 engine is an upgrade of Yamaha Vixion engine... thereby the development cost was kept low... and even then the cost of Rs. 1 Lac seems too much to many (not me)... its funny how people want all the bells and whistles but do not put their money on the table when the same are made available... also another point... a 4 valve 150 cc engine would definitely cost more to make than a 2 valve engine (2 more valves and its associated parts plus the labour at the very least)...
                      Hey buddy ,don't take it literally use your imagination.It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
                      Slightly super sizing the existing specs and strengthening the existing reciprocating parts couldn't have cost much.
                      What about the other 4 valve air cooled bikes which were here and the one that is currently here?That too from kinetic and bajaj !!
                      Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
                      its funny how people want all the bells and whistles but do not put their money on the table when the same are made available...
                      Not everyone sees the YAMAHA sticker and puts down the money .Some also see the specs.I will once again repeat what i've said.It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
                      Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-21-2010, 09:06 PM.
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                      • #161
                        Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                        Hey buddy ,don't take it literally use your imagination.It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
                        Slightly super sizing the existing specs and strengthening the existing reciprocating parts couldn't have cost much.
                        What about the other 4 valve air cooled bikes which were here and the one that is currently here?That too from kinetic and bajaj !!

                        Not everyone sees the YAMAHA sticker and puts down the money .Some also see the specs.I will once again repeat what i've said.It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
                        That is by far the MOST amusing things I have heard for a long time.
                        Under powered for the tech it has? So more the tech it should have more the power? By your logic, the low tech 2 strokers should not have ANY power! Or may be you meant to say that we dont deserve using the tech on the low powered bikes.

                        The so called professional tuners around swear by the R15 engine for the kind of work it has. Almost all of them echo that the R15 engine has been built to almost the highest standards and performance that could have been safely utilized from that mill.
                        Then again there are people who have taken it a few more notches ahead... but for 'specific' circuit use...

                        Would love to hear two things from you
                        What tech according to you does a 100, 125, 150, 200, 250, 400 CC mills deserve?
                        I am not even considering the price points...

                        Do write! It would be a good insight to a lot of manufacturers!
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                        • #162
                          Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                          That is by far the MOST amusing things I have heard for a long time.
                          Under powered for the tech it has? So more the tech it should have more the power? By your logic, the low tech 2 strokers should not have ANY power! Or may be you meant to say that we dont deserve using the tech on the low powered bikes.

                          The so called professional tuners around swear by the R15 engine for the kind of work it has. Almost all of them echo that the R15 engine has been built to almost the highest standards and performance that could have been safely utilized from that mill.
                          Then again there are people who have taken it a few more notches ahead... but for 'specific' circuit use...

                          Would love to hear two things from you
                          What tech according to you does a 100, 125, 150, 200, 250, 400 CC mills deserve?
                          I am not even considering the price points...

                          Do write! It would be a good insight to a lot of manufacturers!
                          First of all try and understand the things written before making posts and calling things funny!!
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                          • #163
                            Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                            First of all try and understand the things written before making posts and calling things funny!!
                            Touche...

                            Read your posts and do read mine again, and do let me know (preferably on my visitor page if you thought I didnt read it..
                            I wrote about under powered, about over sizing it a bit, the cost, and lastly the funny line about so much tech deserving more performance, that too in a market where we dont have any other product offering similar specs be it the chassis it houses, or anything else!
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                            #Give thy opinion, write em, dont throw em
                            #Everyone errs, accept it, defending/cribbing about it only makes it worse
                            #Dont defend a manufacturer as if you work for them
                            #Write. Think. If relevant hit submit. If not hit yourself
                            #Be kind in your choice of words, you never know who would make you gulp em
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                            • #164
                              Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                              Some also see the specs.I will once again repeat what i've said.It is an under powered bike for the kinda tech that has gone into it.Period.
                              Underpowered you say... hmm... do me a favor... pick up this month's Bike issue and check out the lap timings of the shootout they did... even after 2 years, no other bike (Indian) that can match its lap times... and by the way, head for the R15 ownership thread... you will find that most if not all over there bought their R15 after seeing the specs and making an informed decision and not just on the basis of YAMAHA name...

                              In case you follow MotoGP... traditionally Yamaha M1 does not make as much outright power or have the highest top speeds (many a times it is a good 5 to 7 kms slower than the Ducati and Honda) but it still has won 8 of the 10 races this season so far... power is not be all want all...
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                              • #165
                                Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                                Touche...

                                Read your posts and do read mine again, and do let me know (preferably on my visitor page if you thought I didnt read it..
                                I wrote about under powered, about over sizing it a bit, the cost, and lastly the funny line about so much tech deserving more performance, that too in a market where we dont have any other product offering similar specs be it the chassis it houses, or anything else!
                                Touche yourself !
                                Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

                                that too in a market where we dont have any other product offering similar specs be it the chassis it houses, or anything else!
                                Where in my previous post have i mentioned anything about the bike lacking in tech?
                                Have i mentioned anything about lower capacity bikes not deserving the tech either? in my previous post?
                                Please tell me where in that post have i mentioned about 2-strokes being low-techs or as you seem to mean old-tech?
                                Also while you are at it ,do tell me where in that post have i mentioned that 2-strokes dont deserve these tech?
                                Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 08-22-2010, 02:01 AM.
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