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**Nithesh** · 03-17-2012, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Yea, so you buy a C250R's additional fairing & do the sticker job instead of buying a C150R's fairing & experimenting!!!

Man all this lack of sleep must be getting to me.

Anyway whoever gets his delivery first, please dont forget to put up a first ride report/review/ownership w/e comes first.
Im dying to see how the 150R fairs in India.

**aargee** · 03-17-2012, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Krish1417 View Post

I really respect Aargee Sir,PSR Sir

Thanks, but just RG is sufficient

And I personally think it can be PSR Ji because I inturn have a great respect for him

, so you see...just one is sufficient hehe.

Originally posted by Krish1417 View Post

I own an RTR 180 and now i think,it would have been better if i would have saved and waited a little more to get the CBR250

No, there's nothing to regret, if you do. RTR 180 is also a great bike, especially the white one has great looks, has powerful headlights & a great exhaust note. It doesn't matter how fast is your ride, what matters more is how much you cherish the ride; like I still feel pride to ride on my Activa as well as my Rx though I've my CBR. That is bound to happen only when you buy something out of love for what uniqueness the product offers rather than anything else.

Nithesh - Personally, I feel C150R not only needs correction in price, but also has to offer something that is little different from what's available in the market; the fact is both R15 & N250R are established, but, C250R is completely opposite to what N250R is all about; but that's not the case with R15 & C150R. So you see, C150R has a really tough times ahead, atleast, that's what I feel.

**Dinesh.P** · 03-17-2012, 04:06 AM

Finally the opposite of Yamaha R15 has arrived
Check the below link for more details:

Honda CBR150R Bookings Are Open Now | Motoroids

**aargee** · 03-17-2012, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by Dinesh.P View Post

Finally the opposite of Yamaha R15 has arrived

I don't think it's opposite; its only a Honda's dream on premium 150's share, nothing else. While KTM is already offering a better not only in pricing but also in value, with P200NS, this is almost dead. May be it sells just for fairings, but then, R15 already has everything what C150R has. I don't know what is unique with C150R except for colors & graphics.

**vrugonnab** · 03-17-2012, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

I call an apple an apple because I'm not a fan boy of any brand nor idolizing anyone (exception Einstein probably); e.g visit the 250R thread, you can see my post saying the front braking is pathetic which HMSI hasn't addressed yet. There's nothing wrong in admitting what's wrong; like they say, there're 3 sides to an argument, your side, my side & the right side, I usually don't like to fall under 1st two. And when people say something incorrect, I'd certainly stand up to clear that up.

Can't really say that I understand your point, so are you saying CBR150's price is justified or are you saying CBR250 is not that a great product for it's price? or are you saying i'm a fan boy for Duke? Of course, I admit that i'm a fan boy for Duke, more so for Pulsar, just the way they improved over time amazes me.

I just tried to convey that CBR150 is over priced for what it offers, compared to it CBR250 was fairly priced given the fact that there wasn't a proper choice available in that range. The way you mentioned CBR150 with Duke just caught my attention, that's about it

**aargee** · 03-17-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

so are you saying CBR150's price is justified

No way!!! The only selling factor for C150R I see is to price it below R15

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

are you saying CBR250 is not that a great product for it's price?

It used to be a great product until Duke was launched; ofcourse C250R still has advantages that its a quarter litre made by Jap, fully faired sports bike sold in world wide.

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

are you saying i'm a fan boy for Duke?

Well are you? My point on fan boy is simple; be a fan boy of product than a brand, which is more logical.

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

I just tried to convey that CBR150 is over priced for what it offers

Wrong!!! C150R is over priced for what it isn't even offering!!! Tell me a significant point where C150R scores over R15 pls?

**vrugonnab** · 03-17-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

No way!!! The only selling factor for C150R I see is to price it below R15

Exactly, we are on same page then!

Originally posted by aargee View Post

It used to be a great product until Duke was launched; ofcourse C250R still has advantages that its a quarter litre made by Jap, fully faired sports bike sold in world wide.

Agreed, considering that Duke's price is introductory and will soon be hiked, I still believe CBR250 is a great product at that price. More over it's complete contrast to Duke 200 and hence serves a different set of requirements. If anyone is looking for a tourer, then I think it has to be CBR250, I don't mean to say that you can't tour on Duke 200. But if most of the riding happens within city with occasional touring then Duke will sound more practical.

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Well are you? My point on fan boy is simple; be a fan boy of product than a brand, which is more logical.

Without a doubt!

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Wrong!!! C150R is over priced for what it isn't even offering!!! Tell me a significant point where C150R scores over R15 pls?

Two things I can think of are, DOHC engine, don't really know how advantageous this is and perhaps mileage, considering the detuned state of the engine when compared to the version sold in other markets. But, all the same, price is really not justified. It will sell, but not the way it would have sold if it was priced sensibly. This might just go the Jazz way.

Lot will depend on how P200NS will be priced, if P220S discontinuation is any indication, it would be below 1 lakh OTR (strictly my speculation

).

**ABikerAtHeart** · 03-17-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

No way!!! The only selling factor for C150R I see is to price it below R15

It used to be a great product until Duke was launched; ofcourse C250R still has advantages that its a quarter litre made by Jap, fully faired sports bike sold in world wide.

Well are you? My point on fan boy is simple; be a fan boy of product than a brand, which is more logical.

Wrong!!! C150R is over priced for what it isn't even offering!!! Tell me a significant point where C150R scores over R15 pls?

It has one extra over head cam,does it? DOHC..

OT: Any idea how its better than SOHC,anyone?

**mid** · 03-17-2012, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

No way!!! The only selling factor for C150R I see is to price it below R15
The inclusion/ addiction of doch and over squared config and higher compression may help it more to rev more and freely over the r15 (only a face to face ride test can confirm this authentically though) apart fr0m the comfort, cbr badge(people get attached or affectionate for diff. brands) looks(individualistic) factors
and the hondas/ cbrs tend to feel to have more torque while riding no matter what the paper has to say, difference may be in transmission/ less drive train loss/ tuning or whatever it is :P
It used to be a great product until Duke was launched; ofcourse C250R still has advantages that its a quarter litre made by Jap, fully faired sports bike sold in world wide.
duke is a great product and it'll be competiting against cbr in the market, no matter how track oriented/ fared both cbr and r15 are, look out how much ktm and bajaj are going to hike its price. (Duke is my personal choice from the three, may be u could include 250r to this)

Wrong!!! C150R is over priced for what it isn't even offering!!! Tell me a significant point where C150R scores over R15 pls?

Think it in Honda's way, the production cost of cbr 250r and 150r may not be much different. one of the reason why duke 125 is not launching here.

answers in bold

Originally posted by ABikerAtHeart View Post

It has one extra over head cam,does it? DOHC..

OT: Any idea how its better than SOHC,anyone?

This link might help

**aargee** · 03-17-2012, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

Agreed, considering that Duke's price is introductory and will soon be hiked, I still believe CBR250 is a great product at that price. More over it's complete contrast to Duke 200 and hence serves a different set of requirements. If anyone is looking for a tourer, then I think it has to be CBR250, I don't mean to say that you can't tour on Duke 200. But if most of the riding happens within city with occasional touring then Duke will sound more practical

Agreed with all the points, but still contemplating on "I still believe CBR250 is a great product at that price"; C150R's pricing is very close to 250R. But then, if you look at HMSI's product portfolio, they're one damn people who're catering the entire Nation. I mean soon to come Yuga to scooters to premium segment without anyone's assistance, while making products affordable; which can be looked positively & may also lead to disaster.

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

Without a doubt!

And I love such people

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

Two things...go the Jazz way

Let's see how C150R fares

Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post

Lot will depend on how P200NS will be priced

IMHO, P200NS will simply eat away a major portion of R15, C150R & C250R or may even the D200.

Originally posted by ABikerAtHeart View Post

OT: Any idea how its better than SOHC,anyone?

Mid's link is fine

**ABikerAtHeart** · 03-17-2012, 01:16 PM

DOHC means Double OverHead
Cam, or sometimes it could be
called "Twin Cam". A DOHC
setup is used in most of newer
cars. Since it's possible to install
multiple valves per cylinder and
place intake valves on the
opposite side from exhaust vales,
a DOHC engine can "breathe"
better, meaning that it can
produce more horsepower with
smaller engine volume.
Compare: The 3.5-liter V6 DOHC
engine of 2003 Nissan Pathfinder
has 240 hp, similar to 245 hp of
the 5.9-liter V8 OHV engine of
2003 Dodge Durango.
Pros: High efficiency, possible to
install multiple valves per
cylinder and adopt variable
timing.
Cons: More complex and more
expensive design.

**sayank10** · 03-17-2012, 01:31 PM

a DOHC layout is better than a SOHC layout in many ways- in DOHCs, the valve timing is more precise, and better valve lift is achieved. also, a DOHC setup eliminates the need for rocker arms, hence creating better timing, and valve contact is more direct too. but of course, these are all in stock form. a SOHC layout, when tuned, can be as efficient as a DOHC, but under proper tuning, DOHCs always achieve more power than SOHCs...

there's not much for the layman. In fact, due to the valvetrain package being heavier on DOHCs, their low-end torque might suffer, making the SOHC a better traffic/daily-drive bet.

**Enthusiastic** · 03-17-2012, 01:35 PM

DOHC is good but for big engines. In small engines the effect of DOHC is not visible and not a good idea to use it on a 150cc engine since cost would go up with negligible benefits.. Maximum big engines(>=600) employ DOHC layout.

**aargee** · 03-17-2012, 01:37 PM

Doh!!! DOHC reduces stress on the engine!!!

**[IN]BeTrayedxD** · 03-17-2012, 02:06 PM

Hello

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It doesn't matter how fast is your ride, what matters more is how much you cherish the ride; like I still feel pride to ride on my Activa as well as my Rx though I've my CBR. That is bound to happen only when you buy something out of love for what uniqueness the product offers rather than anything else.

+ 100

Short and sweet

Cheers S.V.Prasad

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