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  • #46
    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Performance seekers need them, you can carry on with the JAPS

    PS:- I have booked the CBR, but if TVS lets its R&D loose and gets a 250, I am gonna ditch the Honda, I know what TVS is capable of.
    trusting TVS too much because its an Indian Company??
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
      Who needs TVS anymore ?? let them play in below 200cc segment
      Trust me on this. A TVS motorcycle costing as much(1.5 lakhs) will hit the Honda(or any Jappo) left, right and center in terms of performance!!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
        trusting TVS too much because its an Indian Company??
        I trust their R&D more than anything, their bikes can take a lot of abuse. I dont care if its Indian or not, else I would have never booked the CBR, I would have waited for the Pulsar 250.

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        • #49
          whats the use of having a good r&d dept in tvs when nothing ever comes out on time from them . always let the competition go ahead and then they try and chase it .....

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post
            whats the use of having a good r&d dept in tvs when nothing ever comes out on time from them . always let the competition go ahead and then they try and chase it .....
            Thats why Satyen said

            Originally Posted by satyenpoojary
            and I hope TVS grows some balls

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post
              whats the use of having a good r&d dept in tvs when nothing ever comes out on time from them . always let the competition go ahead and then they try and chase it .....
              Yup, Operations/Supply Chain Management is the "Achilles Heel" for TVS as a company. Also they have shown inconsistency in marketing the products which even if having good potential failed to perform well in the market.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post
                whats the use of having a good r&d dept in tvs when nothing ever comes out on time from them . always let the competition go ahead and then they try and chase it .....
                +1000 ... why they keep playing wait & watch everytime
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                • #53
                  I am not surprised by the no. of CBR's booked in first month cuz i knew that Honda has a Trump card in their hand at this point of time
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                  • #54
                    1800 CBR in One Month where as 1000 Ninja in One Year

                    Stats say it all, CBR is surely going to eat all the 250cc market, if any other competitor does not come up with something really good.
                    Last edited by ch.madhur; 02-07-2011, 07:40 PM. Reason: Spell Mistake
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by bprags View Post
                      Performance seekers need them, you can carry on with the JAPS

                      PS:- I have booked the CBR, but if TVS lets its R&D loose and gets a 250, I am gonna ditch the Honda, I know what TVS is capable of.
                      if tvs launch a 2XX cc bike today i will be the first one to get it,
                      tvs is loosing customers, because of having no product in 200+cc segment,
                      come-on tvs drop the bombshell
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                        The dealers have no information about the bikes... From a some what reliable source I am told that the deliveries would begin ONLY from August end...
                        With the Activa having a waiting period of around 6 months, Honda badly needs more manufacturing facilities and fast.

                        Wonder how much time the 1800 bookings would take to be actually delivered.


                        Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                        1800 bookings is neat... goes on to say that a 'good' product in a good market opportunity space can fetch more money than producing and selling the same\me too product time and again and flooding the segment.

                        I hope the CBR ups the ante in our biking scene.

                        and I hope TVS grows some balls

                        TVS doesn't have very deep pockets in terms of profitabily. Maybe that's why it results in its conservative approach towards the market.

                        Its not so easy for our "desi" bike makers to play in the niche 250 cc (+) segment, unless there are some other strategic plans with the product line up.

                        For example Honda would not just sell the CBR250R in India but will also be selling the CBR250R in S.E Asian countries (Thailand, Indonesia etc.), Latin America and North America. Even 1800 steady numbers every month will probably be not enough for companies like TVS to justify the huge investment.

                        Not to mention there is always a risk of competition doing a one up and spoiling everything.



                        Last edited by payeng; 02-07-2011, 09:13 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by payeng View Post
                          TVS doesn't have very deep pockets in terms of profitabily. Maybe that's why it results in its conservative approach towards the market.

                          Its not so easy for our "desi" bike makers to play in the niche 250 cc (+) segment, unless there are some strategic plans with the product line up:

                          For example Honda would not just sell the CBR250R in India but will also be selling the CBR250R in S.E Asian countries (Thailand, Indonesia etc.), Latin America and North America. Even 1800 steady numbers every month will probably be not enough for companies like TVS to justify the huge investment.

                          Not to mention there is always a risk of competition doing a one up and spoiling everything.
                          but RTR 160 & specially 180 are doing well, so after 2 years of 180 they can now jump to 225 or 250
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            Its not so easy for our "desi" bike makers to play in the niche 250 cc (+) segment, unless there are some other strategic plans with the product line up.
                            I fully agree with you, but still, I'm curious to know WHY?

                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            For example Honda would not just sell...to justify the huge investment.
                            Are you saying, investing on 250cc+ is not worth as a manufacturer? May be I agree, that's the reason BAL is taking some time to make anything above 220cc probably? Not sure. But really appreciate some insights.
                            Last edited by aargee; 02-07-2011, 09:27 PM.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by rider_rock View Post
                              but RTR 160 & especially 180 are doing well,
                              Says who? Got any source to sales numbers?
                              I probably get to see more R15's than RTR 180's on our roads (it could also be because its so difficult to make out the RTR 180 from the 160 physically).


                              Originally posted by rider_rock View Post
                              so after 2 years of 180 they can now jump to 225 or 250
                              Going up in cc is a Bajaj strategy.. so why does TVS or any other manufacturer has to go via the same route and appear as "Me Too"..??

                              There is much more to biking than just going up in cubic capacity. Yamaha has beautifully demonstrated that by the 150 cc, R15 (Desi Super Sports) and the FZ (Desi Street Fighter with international attitude).

                              All that is reqired are some real enthusiastic bikers (to give direction to the Biking aspect) and some smart strategy makers (to take care of the Business sustainability issues) at the top management.


                              Originally posted by aargee View Post
                              I fully agree with you, but still, I'm curious to know WHY?

                              Are you saying, investing on 250cc+ is not worth as a manufacturer? May be I agree, that's the reason BAL is taking some time to make anything above 220cc probably? Not sure. But really appreciate some insights.
                              I am not saying that but for a maker like TVS which does not operate on huge profit numbers, it will be risky. Just imagine yourself in the Shoes of a Top Management guy at TVS.. If your stategy fails, you might lose your high paying job.



                              Last edited by payeng; 02-07-2011, 09:49 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by payeng View Post

                                1. With the Activa having a waiting period of around 6 months, Honda badly needs more manufacturing facilities and fast.
                                Wonder how much time the 1800 bookings would take to be actually delivered.
                                2. TVS doesn't have very deep pockets in terms of profitabily. Maybe that's why it results in its conservative approach towards the market.

                                3. Its not so easy for our "desi" bike makers to play in the niche 250 cc (+) segment, unless there are some other strategic plans with the product line up.
                                For example Honda would not just sell the CBR250R in India but will also be selling the CBR250R in S.E Asian countries (Thailand, Indonesia etc.), Latin America and North America. Even 1800 steady numbers every month will probably be not enough for companies like TVS to justify the huge investment.
                                Not to mention there is always a risk of competition doing a one up and spoiling everything.
                                1. Don't worry dude, HMSI is not in hurry to grab market, btw, new factory is coming up at Hyderabad. The waiting period is a boon to Mahindra/TVS who are munching some numbers, else it will hit them hard !!
                                2. Why are you avoiding Bajaj ? I expected you to say 'Bajaj will compete with CBR with new Pulsar250', btw Bajaj is getting new 250cc Pulsar ? Rumour?
                                3. TVS and Bajaj can also sell in India, USA, Japan,Nigeria,Columbia, they can make investment if they are confident about the stuff they can produce...if they are not confident then they will not put any investment -that's simple rule (of confidence) !!

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