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**aargee** · 02-08-2011, 02:57 PM

Even going by your 15% logic, its just 1.72L & not 1.9L as you posted. More over the comparison of 97K versus 1.12K is only 13% not 15%.

Anyway, its your discreetion to buy or cancel if there's a price rise, all I was trying to say is, just don't shoot in the thin air!!!

**darkknight** · 02-08-2011, 03:06 PM

Same as yamaha honda too will have ex showroom price uniform throughout the country-- that is the latest marketing thing in corporates

only the additional taxes,octroi etc will vary.

This is only conjecture & so no source of information--

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 02-08-2011, 03:43 PM

dude check your maths %age for yamaha r15 calculation.. and i just told what i am told by the showroom i booked my cbr.. he said there will be a difference of around 8k in delhi and mumbai ex-showroom.. I hope it doesnt be that.. but i said what i was told.. and am pretty sure about the tax calculation as i deal in bikes..

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 02-08-2011, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Even going by your 15% logic, its just 1.72L & not 1.9L as you posted. More over the comparison of 97K versus 1.12K is only 13% not 15%.

Anyway, its your discreetion to buy or cancel if there's a price rise, all I was trying to say is, just don't shoot in the thin air!!!

On-road = 1,12,000
Ex-showroom= 97,000

So the applied tax=112000-97000=15000

(15000/97000)*100=15.4%

Anyways.. try to think a p220 gives a front and rear disc, a digital speedo, a projector headlamp, fuel-injection, oil cooling all for around 85K Onroad.. Half the price and a difference of 30cc and 3 or4 bhp.. (3 or 4 coz the exact figures not announced.. sum say 24 and some 25)..
I know its a stunning bike but honda should rather work on the price.. We say ninja is way to better than the cbr.. and it is.. but in the US, price for both of them is the same and so the cbr does sound Over-priced for that..

Though.. i will buy it if i like coz i desperately need a new ride man!! ;-)

**Krish1417** · 02-08-2011, 04:06 PM

IMO,the ninja for its price,is a good value..It has got two cylinders,great power and more importantly the A.S.S,its too good.My friend owns one in kolkata and says the service of the probikings in just awesome

,and regarding the service of Honda,it sucks big time and i don't know how they will be able to service the CBR's in non-metro towns.Honda need to improve their service network.

**Puneet1** · 02-08-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

Anyways.. try to think a p220 gives a front and rear disc, a digital speedo, a projector headlamp, fuel-injection, liquid cooling all for around 85K Onroad.. Half the price and a difference of 30cc and 3 or4 bhp.. (3 or 4 coz the exact figures not announced.. sum say 24 and some 25)..
I know its a stunning bike but honda should rather work on the price.. We say ninja is way to better than the cbr.. and it is.. but in the US, price for both of them is the same and it does sound Over-priced for that..

Though.. i will buy it if i like coz i desperately need a new ride man!! ;-)

the 220 is no longer fuel injected and its not liquid cooled either , it has a oil cooler not a radiator .

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 02-08-2011, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post

the 220 is no longer fuel injected and its not liquid cooled either , it has a oil cooler not a radiator .

But adding that again is not double the price right..

**aargee** · 02-08-2011, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post

the 220 is no longer fuel injected and its not liquid cooled either , it has a oil cooler not a radiator .

+1; not worth debating over unknown!!!

**rider_rock** · 02-08-2011, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Says who? Got any source to sales numbers?
I probably get to see more R15's than RTR 180's on our roads (it could also be because its so difficult to make out the RTR 180 from the 160 physically).

Going up in cc is a Bajaj strategy.. so why does TVS or any other manufacturer has to go via the same route and appear as "Me Too"..??

There is much more to biking than just going up in cubic capacity. Yamaha has beautifully demonstrated that by the 150 cc, R15 (Desi Super Sports) and the FZ (Desi Street Fighter with international attitude).

All that is reqired are some real enthusiastic bikers (to give direction to the Biking aspect) and some smart strategy makers (to take care of the Business sustainability issues) at the top management.

I am not saying that but for a maker like TVS which does not operate on huge profit numbers, it will be risky. Just imagine yourself in the Shoes of a Top Management guy at TVS.. If your stategy fails, you might lose your high paying job.

i see many RTR 180 on road these days, more than RTR160, you may see more R-15 but i wasn't comparing the RTR with any other bike

there is demand of 250cc that shows from the booking of CBR250R

**dual disc 200** · 02-08-2011, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

Anyways.. try to think a p220 gives a front and rear disc, a digital speedo, a projector headlamp, fuel-injection, liquid cooling all for around 85K Onroad..

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC

I dont blame u.. the knowledge of a person is often judged by the no. of posts here.. Be happy with what u know and i with mine..

So u mean to say if i have some 6000 odd posts and stand on something saying that the current generation 220 has all of the highlighted above, the members here will accept it with utmost respect? C'mon mate! We all are here to learn & graduate and not prove that we are the only Einstein's that the world had missed out to see!

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 02-08-2011, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post

So u mean to say if i have some 6000 odd posts and stand on something saying that the current generation 220 has all of the highlighted above, the members here will accept it with utmost respect? C'mon mate! We all are here to learn & graduate and not prove that we are the only Einstein's that the world had missed out to see!

I absolutely dont mean that dear! All i wanted to say is just having those specs does not justify the cost.. N i used the word "Oil Cooling" just as Bajaj uses it for their bikes.. Obviously i know it doesnt have a radiator.. and FI did exist.. But then People should respect someone who is telling and ask for clarifications rather than blaming.. + i also gave the tax calculation clarifications..

**dual disc 200** · 02-08-2011, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

I absolutely dont mean that dear! All i wanted to say is just having those specs does not justify the cost.. N i used the word "Oil Cooling" just as Bajaj uses it for their bikes.. Obviously i know it doesnt have a radiator.. and FI did exist.. But then People should respect someone who is telling and ask for clarifications rather than blaming.. + i also gave the tax calculation clarifications..

If you recall your post, you did never mention as "Oil Cooling" but did as "Liquid Cooling" that makes hell a lot of a difference mate. No one is blaming here mate. All are trying to correct you and not shove what they know on you. Take it in the right sense and there you go out like a cylinder without any scortching on the walls!

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 02-08-2011, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post

If you recall your post, you did never mention as "Oil Cooling" but did as "Liquid Cooling" that makes hell a lot of a difference mate. No one is blaming here mate. All are trying to correct you and not shove what they know on you. Take it in the right sense and there you go out like a cylinder without any scortching on the walls!

Oooops! Sorry.. Yes i did mention it wrongly as liquid instead of oil.. Couldn't much concentrate on that one as typing from a cellphone.. But i did say a liquid cooling can be added.. Sorry people.. i skipped the word.

N the blaming thing was about On-road price comments by the other member..

**niv** · 02-08-2011, 05:31 PM

Pardon my ignorance, What's the difference between oil cooling and liquid cooling?

**dual disc 200** · 02-08-2011, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by niv View Post

Pardon my ignorance, What's the difference between oil cooling and liquid cooling?

Here's what is Liquid cooling:

In a liquid cooled engine, in which the coolant will be water mixed with coolant chemicals, the mixture is usually circulated by a pump through jackets surrounding the cylinders and cylinder heads. The water is circulated fast enough to remove steam bubbles that may form over local hot spots. The warmed coolant is piped to an air-cooled heat exchanger called a radiator which is seen in R15's and the other bikes equipped with liquid cooling and finally the airflow required to remove the heat from the radiator is supplied by an electric fan that works on battery housed behind the radiator.

Oil Cooling:

Is nothing but the same engine oil that is present in the engine is circulated into a thin radiator element using a pump that helps to dissipate the heat helping the oil not to loose it's viscosity at extreme temperatures.

Hope this helped you

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