Similarly most people wouldn't know what DTSI and Exhaustec are.

no doubt HH sucks in adds..they have some worst adds of all time in their portfolio & bajaj is best in advertising but Hunto isn't at that level where bajaj's earlier adds were..like "pulsarmania".."khud se hi aage hai hum of P220".."P200's add" n all..those were marvelous adds..Hunto add is nothing more then a marketing gimmick to show how their sales are doing in comparison with other companies which are new here in our country so that they can attract more buyers..that add doesn't show any details about their product or something..

that's cuz according to me its not everyone's job to know about each and every technology about their bike..if R15's handling feels great to them that's enough for them..its not necessary that everyone must know why R15's handling is so good..if you know then its obviously good but if you don't then i don't think we should blame them cuz after all they are just buyers who use a product, not an engineer who'll know everything about their bike..if a layman use a bike then it doesn't matter he knows how his bike's engine is working its just that he uses it to reach point "B" from point "A"

Yes i know a bit about him and i know that Joel is the race engineer in there. Please correct me if i'm wrong and i didn't google it.

That's exactly what i wanted to say. A buyer only cares about what the price is and what it delivers.

IF most of us didnt watch MotoGP why do you think Valentino Rossi has a huge fan following in this country? Do you think all the people who came to catch a glimpse of him when he was here to promote Yamaha came just to look at a complete stranger? Just because people around you dont watch MOTOGP doesnt mean the "MOST" ppl arent aware of it.

THere is a reason why HONDA has had just two or Three bike models for the masses. If u have forgotten. HH has been on top because of Honda's reliability! Their "cater to masses" bike models are all on HH's lineup. So they just had to focus on the scooter section which had a huge sales piechart section of its Time. And once they tookover the scooter market completely in just under 5 years they started focussing on their Own Bike stable which started with the Unicorn

Its not OFFENDING, its just that such IGnorant statements dont suit a man who is set out for a biking revolution in this country.

You are quoting that Percentage on what Basis? Does ur friend represent 90crore of Indian citizens? I dont think so

The question isnt about how many of us watch MotoGP. The question is how many watch the 125cc segment race of MotoGP.

How do you know? It could also be the fact that once Honda tookover the Scooter market, Bajaj knew there was no way they could get that market sector back. They tried to with models like Wave, Krystal etc but the sales figures were standing tall for the Activa.

On a side Note what "I" have inferred here is(totally my logic so it may/may not be true):
People preferred Activa because the price was on par with its competitors and the quality factor stood out for the Activa which made it a success. Same for the Unicorn.
The later models failed because Honda tried to keep the cost down of their newer models by not making much changes to the existing design (Shine) and people didnt want to buy a rebadged Unicorn with its ageing design. The newer models esp Stunner was successful in the cities but the FZ's design and price factor took away the rest of its success story.

Let us stick to healthy discussion with logic shall we? :P

+1 now i don't see any limitation for Honda to rise in sales.

Wow.. Huge fan following to Valentino Rossi in our country? are you serious about it, come on!! don't start kidding yourself. He may be what Sachin is to Criket in biking, but certainly not in that league when fan following in our country is concerned.

So, it's about 7 years since Unicorn is launched and still there it is not even accounting for 20% market!! What's taking Honda so long then to capture market in motorcycles? If they are so competent that they were able to sweep scooters market in 5 years, why are they not able to do it? Are they not competent in bikes? Let's not even talk about the whole motorcycles market.. just look at 150cc where they are directly in competition for the pole position. What are they doing for last 7 years? Truth is when Activa came out it was the only or one of the two gear less scooters available in the market, which was the need of the hour in city traffic. It clicked and it only helped the matters that others weren't competent enough to make good gear less scooters.

Again when you talk about ignorant comment from Rajiv, first you should read the post again to notice that he is talking about perception of Honda in masses, not about his ideas of what Honda can do or can't do.

Bajaj wanted to be a motorcycle specialist and that's the reason why they stopped producing scooters. If you say they were afraid of competing with Honda.. my question would be is that the same reason why Honda didn't make a 180/200 cc bikes, coz they knew they can't compete with p180/p220? The reason here is they can't develop engines from scratch for India, because that is very capital intensive for Honda and returns wouldn't justify their investment into making a 180/220cc block. The very reason why we got CBR250 is, Moto gp's prescription for 250cc bikes asked for single cylinder engine. Not that Honda wanted to show it's prowess to India.

Shine/Stunner failed coz, they are not competent bikes especially when you compare with competition. At one point of time people just bought them blindly on Honda brand, but then people started looking at the -ves of these bikes.. vibrations/bad top end etc. And your logic of FZ taking away Stunner's sales is very lame.. they are poles apart in pricing & performance.

And lastly to make this discussion healthy, first you should post healthy comments.

@wanted doa and a few others
wats wrong if people dont know about delta boxes and moto gp dude?
its not exactly necessary for a guy to know which part of his body releases which hormone right? Its good enough if people can ride properly and follow traffic rule
didnt mean to offend you, just telling my opinion...

Correction. He is What Michael Schumacher Was/Lewis Hamilton IS to the Indian Motorsports Audience.
Sure F1 and MotoGP arent as hugely celebrated as Cricket here but come October, i think the turnout at the Indian GP will have a lot to prove for some of you
Slowly but surely MotoGP races will also take place here and the numbers will surely speak

WHat part of Honda's "cater to masses" bike stable were in HH's lineup do you not understand?
And truth is when the activa Came out the country's Largest and reliable oldskool scooter maker Kinetic was still going strong. The ZX Honda and the NOVA 135(scooter of the year award 03) were also contending. Bajaj was also there. So please research a bit before commenting.

You're quoting me Mr.Bajaj's explanation of backing out of scooter market. Keep in Mind one doesnt have to shut down a whole segment which has about 25-30% of the market share to focus on one just one segment. It totally sounds like a lame excuse.

While you have answered the question in pink with ur own question, you might want to add that most countries dont have bikes of segments such as 130-180-220 etc
it goes from 100-125-150-250 for majority of the world. Honda is on a global platform where its products will have to cater to most countries worldwide.
The only reason we have 160-180-200-220cc is because back in 2000 nobody would shell out 1lac+ for a bike(remember the CometGT250?)
The biking scene has changed now and ppl can afford a 150cc for 1 Lac+ which is why Honda introduced the 250cc CBR here. The single cylinder meant low pricing and lower maintenance too so it need not be totally dependent on MotoGP requirements!

Have u ever ridden a Splendor? Have u ever noticed the amount of vibration it produces? So why was it the best selling bike then if people were concerned about vibrations?
And What im trying to say was shelling out 65k for a 125cc didnt make sense when a the FZ with a 160cc mil and more power and better styling and road presence was flying around for a mere 10k more!
Remember now people are looking towards bikes with higher displacement while remaining light on pocket size which is why the Pulsar 220(CARB) was a success. The pulsar enjoyed supremacy because no Japanese bike makers had a 180-220cc bikes on their list. Its next best competition was Apache till the R15 dropped in.
Didnt the Unicorn chip off the sales of the old 150 Pulsar?

What exactly in my post was offensive or immature that you find it not to be of "healthy discussion"
Do you not know what a Healthy discussion is?

Answers in bold.

Agreed. This hunto s*** is even cheaper than stupid HH ads. I hate Bajaj for this.

@saipranav and 111diablo111: You took it wrong guys. I dont hate people for not knowing tech stuff. I was just answering to statement that 'people buy bikes coz they are derived from moto GP'.

PS: What if yamaha lauched R15 without full fairing. Imagine in what numbers it would've sold.


You sure know some technical stuff

First and foremost stop using Bold in weird colors, makes it that much easier to read for others. If you know what a healthy discussion is certainly you wouldn't have posted these type of fan boy comments. It's clear that you didn't even read the article clearly. Let me just repeat it for you what Rajiv said "it's the perception of people that Honda can't make motorcycles, people go to Honda for scooters and they come to us for motorcycles". So, stop going berserk while you are half-baked!!

Outside India Honda might be great and that's not good enough reason for me to go and buy a Shine/Stunner which are simply not up to the mark and doesn't really show Honda in good light. My question was plain and simple, if they were so competent to sweep scooters market in 5 years, what's stopping them from sweeping away just one segment i.e 150cc? that too with 5 products using same engine(Hunk, CBZ, Achiever, Unicorn, Dazzler), they are not able to match the sales of P150 even after 7 years?

Since you have attested a fanboy tag on me now how would you want me to believe yours isnt a Bajaj fanboy(after going through ur profile which lists p150, P135. and 220) comment?
Like i was telling you, Honda Recently broke its joint venture with HH and is now focussing on its own Motorcycle production.
So Give it time and you will see what happens. Just like how Mr.Bajaj broke away from scooter segments because of his erm "concentration of attention to bike segments", Honda recently broke up with HH to shift its "concentration of attention to bike segments" aswell. And with Honda opening 2 more production facilities in the next two years only time will tell who was barking up the wrong tree.

I dont give a rats ass for the sales chart / sales comparison. I will buy what i like, not what others may buy/has (necessarily*) bought.

Who's stopping you?