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**Omega Man** · 06-16-2011, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by anush View Post

Nice joke. RTR wins over Pulsars hands down in every aspect. And Pulsars will never be able to match the refinement and comfort that you get in the HONDAS.

Oh Yeah, now that indeed is a joke.

**Omega Man** · 06-16-2011, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by rajeshmushtang View Post

with no brakes (rear) and this was confirmed by a mechanic.....
well no offence

MECHANIC, MECHANIC

Since when did a mechanics word become Gospel on the indian biking scene.

Get real bro, well no offence

EITHER

**ROCKRZ** · 06-16-2011, 12:28 PM

refrain from brand wars

guys, please refrain from brand wars. no one (here) is intrested in knowing "honda is better" or "bajaj is the fastest". these wars are better sorted out in a pub with one hell of a fist fight. its entertaining there, but not here.

why do we need the xpolice or the mods to controll nuisance, why cant we as mature bikers controll ourselves from brand wars. all users are hereby arested under section 130c

please dont take this personal, but can the respective (brand wars) users please delete their own posts? it will set a good rep with members

**rx100.7050** · 06-16-2011, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Omega Man View Post

Oh Yeah, now that indeed is a joke.

Originally posted by payeng

Either the moderators are having an "Off Day" or maybe this is the way for more "Discussion".

Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post

This thread has all the makings of a great masala movie...heros and villians scattered all over.

To each his own! If you feel that your TVS 50 is the greatest bike on this planet, period. That is your perception and no one can change it and no one has any right to change it too. People have varied experience with a particular brand and that in no way means that the products are bad. I believe the sales market is a strong indicator of the products success; the general public does not buy anything that is inherently bad.

The thread is all about the press release and the greater plans that Bajaj has for their operations in the motorcycle segment. In one of my earlier posts, I had said that the ultimate benefactor is the consumer.

Instead of arguing on whether Bajaj bikes are refined and powerful and whether HH/Apache/Suzuki/Any other brand is good/bad, it would be better if people discuss on what products if launched (by any manufacturer) might make more sense in this competing market.

No offense to anyone, but the last 5 pages have nothing but mudslinging and fanboy-ism to the core. A genuine request, no more of this stuff please.

Originally posted by Lightsportz

Totally agree

. But we'll see things very similar to last 5 pages more & more. These debates just need one guy to object or go OT to trigger a war

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e.g. Bringing TVS into a discussion which has a heading of Bajaj,Hero,Honda.

Originally posted by Vincycool

+1

+1........

Still Confused with the Moderators...

and XBHp Police.......

Hey guys.. chill up man... I ahve stopped commenting on these "factual & mature" comments

I sing a song for my brothers & that too in "arrey o Paro", Rajesh Khanna ishtyle (big goggles, bell bottoms pants, wavy hair & printed shirts

"Kuch toh log kahenge.... logon ka kaam hain kehna...."

**The Bad Wolf** · 06-16-2011, 12:30 PM

**xPolice** · 06-16-2011, 01:37 PM

xBhp Police is stronger than anybody's Daddy

Enough entertainment guys!

Please stick to the topic.

@Omega Man: Use the multi-quote button rather than making successive posts!

**payeng** · 06-16-2011, 01:58 PM

Sticking to the Topic:

For Bajaj Auto, the competition in the future indeed is Honda (HMSI).

Honda has the technological and financial might to become number one in India. And officially HMSI has set the target of 2020 to achieve that.

HMSI has stated that they will be gunning for the rural markets first (Hero's stronghold with its Splendor) and at a later date will concentrate on the urban models (Bajaj's stronghold with its Pulsar).

HMSI has even publically stated that they are working on a 100 cc model.

With HMSI ramping up its production with new production facilities, TVS will most definitely be overtaken in a short span of time. Its' not just Bajaj that needs to watch out for Honda, but also Hero.

**niranjanvaidya** · 06-16-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Sticking to the Topic:

For Bajaj Auto, the competition in the future indeed is Honda (HMSI).

Honda has the technological and financial might to become number one in India. And officially HMSI has set the target of 2020 to achieve that.

HMSI has stated that they will be gunning for the rural markets first (Hero's stronghold with its Splendor) and at a later date will concentrate on the urban models (Bajaj's stronghold with its Pulsar).

HMSI has even publically stated that they are working on a 100 cc model.

With HMSI ramping up its production with new production facilities, TVS will most definitely be overtaken in a short span of time. Its' not just Bajaj that needs to watch out for Honda, but also Hero.

Quite right there Payeng. Ideally what Honda enjoys is a strong brand image. Any Honda product can be sold off the shelf without waiting for any customer reviews. Thanks to their decades of experience in building products that are truly world class. A lot of Honda brand image is also due to their efforts and active participation in the various competitive motorsports around the globe. Years of racing has refined their products and given them so much of learning.

As much as I am proud of Bajaj, I would definitely love to see them in the racing arena where I'm sure the skilled and talented R&D from Bajaj will learn a whole lot more!! That will translate in better products, subsequently better perception and better sales too!

**payeng** · 06-16-2011, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post

As much as I am proud of Bajaj, I would definitely love to see them in the racing arena where I'm sure the skilled and talented R&D from Bajaj will learn a whole lot more!! That will translate in better products, subsequently better perception and better sales too!

Racing leading to "better products", I agree.

But "better perception" and "better sales" (from a mass point of view) in India..?? I have my doubts.

**ROCKRZ** · 06-16-2011, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Racing leading to "better products", I agree.

But "better perception" and "better sales" (from a mass point of view) in India..?? I have my doubts.

maybe what niranjan is saying is that once bajaj improves its image to "damn good motorcycles" than what most of us have as "cheap fast motorcycles", It will definately help them in selling bikes as soon as they are launched.

this advantage is what honda is enjoying currently be it cars or bikes. any automobile launched by honda becomes an instant "booked". and to be frank, when i wanted a bike, logically, i thought of just one manufacturer in terms of quality. (maybe thats because i like honda). but so many years down the lane of owning a honda, i realised that bajaj is not as bad as i had percepted earlier. in fact, most of us have the thought impregnated that bajaj is cheap but low quality.

but, in actual, it isnt.

**Satyamzma** · 06-16-2011, 04:43 PM

yeah bajaj is cheap but its reliable though unrefined.....bajaj may still climb to number 1 in sales but it will take another 5-8 years.....

**saurabh81** · 06-16-2011, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

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Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

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Honda is making lot of improvements ...and Twister/Stunner and CBR 250 is one of them...and not to forgot Activa/Aviator ....there products tells us what they are and capable of....>>
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Look at CBR250...they don't required any partnership to build this...they make it alone....>>
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Not they can't nor they have...at least in future too they can't produce it alone...>>
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i am sure in coming 1/2 years...Honda will rule here....as they do in Cars...

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No doubt Honda Stands for Quality, but it’s Quantity that makes a player no. 1 in a market. Best example is Hero Honda (or may be just "Hero" or "Hero Moto", whatever) they are no. one due to Splendor and Passion. Does that means hero produces best bikes??? No it’s just the numbers which speaks…>>
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Good that you mentioned Honda Cars. Honda opted the same strategy in cars. Launch one good model and live on its success till ppl get bored of it and move on to other models. And no.s translates to that. Honda City is no more no 1 in its segment (its Verna now) not even no two (it’s Vento) and soon it will not be even no 3 (it will be Fiesta). And if you say price does not matter its quality which matters, what happened to Honda Jazz??? Is is bad quality, no… then??? in a country like India they launched a Hatchback with a price tag of 7Lakh and expect ppl to buy it for sheer quality… And same is the case with Honda Stunner….>>
When Indian car industry grew @ 30%, Honda reduced by 9%.>>
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Agreed Bajaj is unrefined, lacks quality etc. But they deliver and that to at a great price point. And that’s what majority of India needs.>>
We can expect Bajaj to become better with time (and with KTM collaboration). And for sure it will translate in to no.s.>>
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P.S.: No offence to Honda. Coz while writing this post, I am actually waiting for my CBR :-D. No offence to Yamaha, as I ride a Yamy right now and no offence to Bajaj, as had a Pulsar earlier and though I have not mentioned TVS but still no offence to TVS also as it was my first bike J

**saurabh81** · 06-16-2011, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Bajaj is first afraid of losing coveted II position which it is holding since last 8/9 years.
BTW, Honda was first to bring 220 cc to India and not Bajaj, Bajaj took 4 long years to respond to Honda's 220cc. Bajaj's first 220 failed with fi. As everybody knows in recent past HH launched Fi and Bajaj went one step back & launched carb !! So,.. first Bajaj should take on HH's ZMR and match it if possible (which is a Honda bike) So Bajaj is still below Honda in 220cc segment !!

HH added FI and no change in performance and price went up and sales went down...
Bajaj Removed FI and added carb (i agree they fialed in FI), price went down and performance and Sales went up...
And P220 became (and is) no 1 in 200+ cc segment (even keeping ZMA and ZMR together)

**Praful** · 06-16-2011, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by saurabh81 View Post

Bajaj Removed FI and added carb (i agree they fialed in FI)

Sorry beg to differ here, selling 1500 units a month is not a 'failed' product. Yes, sales are low but not in the margin to call it a 'failed' product!

Just my IMHO input, carry on with the rest of discussion!

**niranjanvaidya** · 06-16-2011, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Racing leading to "better products", I agree.

But "better perception" and "better sales" (from a mass point of view) in India..?? I have my doubts.

Technology that percolates from racing (if utilized) translates products from unrefined to refined; unreliable to reliable and cheap to exclusive. The challenge that Bajaj faces today was also taken by all of the mighty Japanese 4 when their products landed in the US.
To change perception, they had to prove that their products are worth it. I agree with you that in a price sensitive market like ours, racing may not do much to improve the perception; but racing will surely improve the product and as we know, in India nothing markets for you better than word of mouth.

Originally posted by Praful View Post

Sorry beg to differ here, selling 1500 units a month is not a 'failed' product. Yes, sales are low but not in the margin to call it a 'failed' product!

Just my IMHO input, carry on with the rest of discussion!

I agree with Praful. Fi was taken off to make a dent in the Karizma sales. the Fi was a great bike and barring a few initial glitches, it proved to be a major step in the evolution of the carb'd 220. Praful's 220 and Chetan's (Badami) 220 are a few examples that have chalked up close to 1,00,000 km.

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