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**payeng** · 06-15-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Vincycool View Post

Dazzler 100cc........Not so good sales......

I think you meant the "Twister 110 cc"

Originally posted by Vincycool View Post

Honda Shine..........Succedded in the earlys.......

Stunner.......Its an flop, no one buys at that price for an 125 cc mill....

Unicorn..........It is the only machine which helped honda to succed....

Dazzler 150............I dont see much on the roads........

250 R...........Still to wait and see............

More or less agree with the above. But you forgot the model which has made HMSI number 4 in terms of sales in India i.e. the "Activa"

The "Activa" is to scooters in India what the "Pulsar" is to 150 and above cc motorcycles, and "Splendor" to 100 cc motorcycles. The Activa has a long waiting period of above 6 months everywhere. The 2'nd plant of HMSI has been set up to cater to this huge demand for the Activa. In automatic scooters, there is no doubt that HMSI is the big daddy.

All said and done, one should not underestimate Honda. Back in the 1980's there was a famous "Honda-Yamaha" war for Global dominance between the two gaints. Yamaha had to eventually accept defeat to Honda publicly and call for truce.

After its seperation from Hero, Honda is slowly building up its Production capability and also will grow its reach in terms of dealers. HMSI has stated that by the next 10 years (around 2020), it aims to be the number one in terms of sales in India.

**pads** · 06-15-2011, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

All said and done, one should not underestimate Honda.

no one's underestimating Honda..... they always had a great acceptance among the Indian crowd..... they just need to bring more good products rather than sitting idle on the success of a single product..... they kept on modifying Activa..... but what modification was done to Dio..... they have to be pro-active.....
Bajaj is trying and delivering good products..... will just have to wait for next gen Pulsars.....

**darkknight** · 06-15-2011, 03:02 PM

& this are the waiting periods more or less

shine--2-3 months

stunner - 1-2 months

dazzler--immediate delivery

activa--6 months

cbr 250-6-8 months

dunno if this translates only due to demand or honda are also in behind with respect to production capabilities

**aargee** · 06-15-2011, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by darkknight View Post

dazzler--immediate delivery

In Chennai, atleast at JSP, Dazzler's booking is closed because of 3 months delivery period.

Originally posted by darkknight View Post

dunno if this translates only due to demand or honda are also in behind with respect to production capabilities

I'm beginning to think its because of artificial demand rather than reality.

**Vincycool** · 06-15-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

I think you meant the "Twister 110 cc"

More or less agree with the above. But you forgot the model which has made HMSI number 4 in terms of sales in India i.e. the "Activa"

The "Activa" is to scooters in India what the "Pulsar" is to 150 and above cc motorcycles, and "Splendor" to 100 cc motorcycles. The Activa has a long waiting period of above 6 months everywhere. The 2'nd plant of HMSI has been set up to cater to this huge demand for the Activa. In automatic scooters, there is no doubt that HMSI is the big daddy.

All said and done, one should not underestimate Honda. Back in the 1980's there was a famous "Honda-Yamaha" war for Global dominance between the two gaints. Yamaha had to eventually accept defeat to Honda publicly and call for truce.

After its seperation from Hero, Honda is slowly building up its Production capability and also will grow its reach in terms of dealers. HMSI has stated that by the next 10 years (around 2020), it aims to be the number one in terms of sales in India.

Yes its twister 110cc, i was confused as both looks the same........

Yes they are the leaders in scooter section, i booked honda activa, white color on 8th April and my booking period is 3 months, still waiting for it........

.....Dont have much options to choose in the scooter section as we have in bikes.............

....only activa has good resale value in scooter section.....

**veryhiphop** · 06-15-2011, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by bprags View Post

ROFL

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AFAIK the Japanese wont retaliate to these ads, they will keep working silently and let their products do the talking.

++1

Honda is making lot of improvements ...and Twister/Stunner and CBR 250 is one of them...and not to forgot Activa/Aviator ....there products tells us what they are and capable of....

Look at CBR250...they don't required any partnership to build this...they make it alone....

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Does bajaj has an answer for CBR ?

Not they can't nor they have...at least in future too they can't produce it alone...

i am sure in coming 1/2 years...Honda will rule here....as they do in Cars...

**vipin_s** · 06-15-2011, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Yes in few months. But did HMSI have an answer for P220 until now?

I'm not siding with BAL, but the point is, BAL WILL be there. In this country, ads are strong way of speaking about the product irrespective of the quality.

Bajaj is first afraid of losing coveted II position which it is holding since last 8/9 years.
BTW, Honda was first to bring 220 cc to India and not Bajaj, Bajaj took 4 long years to respond to Honda's 220cc. Bajaj's first 220 failed with fi. As everybody knows in recent past HH launched Fi and Bajaj went one step back & launched carb !! So,.. first Bajaj should take on HH's ZMR and match it if possible (which is a Honda bike) So Bajaj is still below Honda in 220cc segment !!

**Vincycool** · 06-15-2011, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by darkknight View Post

& this are the waiting periods more or less

shine--2-3 months

stunner - 1-2 months

dazzler--immediate delivery

activa--6 months

cbr 250-6-8 months

dunno if this translates only due to demand or honda are also in behind with respect to production capabilities

More than demand, i think they have slow down the production of these bikes (Shine and Stunner) as they dont have much demand...So if u want one, u have to wait.....they are trying to push Dazzler more than unicorns, so if one want unicorn...have to wait for 1 month....

......I think honda is busy in scooter production as they have good demand......

**Vincycool** · 06-15-2011, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Bajaj is first afraid of losing coveted II position which it is holding since last 8/9 years.
BTW, Honda was first to bring 220 cc to India and not Bajaj, Bajaj took 4 long years to respond to Honda's 220cc. Bajaj's first 220 failed with fi. As everybody knows in recent past HH launched Fi and Bajaj went one step back & launched carb !! So,.. first Bajaj should take on HH's ZMR and match it if possible (which is a Honda bike) So Bajaj is still below Honda in 220cc segment !!

Yes Honda was the one to bring 220cc to india, as they dont have 180cc segment ....

..so to push back P-180 series they came with 220 cc mill.....they succedded bcoz Hero was behind honda.........

They left twister to competate( splendor and passion)but not succedded even to there 20 % sales( In 100 cc segment)......So this says people believe more in herohonda than honda and hero believes more in honda than themselves.........

**rx100.7050** · 06-15-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Bajaj is first afraid of losing coveted II position which it is holding since last 8/9 years.
BTW, Honda was first to bring 220 cc to India and not Bajaj, Bajaj took 4 long years to respond to Honda's 220cc. Bajaj's first 220 failed with fi. As everybody knows in recent past HH launched Fi and Bajaj went one step back & launched carb !! So,.. first Bajaj should take on HH's ZMR and match it if possible (which is a Honda bike) So Bajaj is still below Honda in 220cc segment !!

Hugely underestimating Pulsar brand, even 220 Fi. 220 Fi didn't sell because of price. The product was woth the money. Bajaj has done FANTASTIC job with Pulsar, particularly 220. It's one of best balue for money for product. HH ZMA sold intially. ZMR is no way near to competetion.
Pulsar is a brand in itself & other bike manufacturers can only dream of making a brand so strong as that of Pulsar in India

**payeng** · 06-15-2011, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

Hugely underestimating Pulsar brand, even 220 Fi. 220 Fi didn't sell because of price. The product was woth the money. Bajaj has done FANTASTIC job with Pulsar, particularly 220. It's one of best balue for money for product. HH ZMA sold intially. ZMR is no way near to competetion.

+1

India is a hugely price sensitive market. Even the Maruti Suzuki Alto was not selling well untill it's engine was changed from 1000 cc to the 800 cc of the Maruti 800 and its price was cut.

The result, the Alto is currently the best selling car in India.

Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post

Pulsar is a brand in itself & other bike manufacturers can only dream of making a brand so strong as that of Pulsar in India

The Pulsar is already considered as a "Legend".

**Satyamzma** · 06-15-2011, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by vipin_s View Post

Hero is racing fast over Bajaj and the gap is now very huge, Bajaj can't even imagine taking on Hero anymore (from monthly sales gap of mere 30,000 in mid 2006 to almost 3,00,000 now).

+100 very well said...Bajaj is nowhere in sales in front of Hero Moto

**sherry_unicornlover** · 06-15-2011, 04:47 PM

All said and done.

But I know of only 1 manufacturer for whom public is happily willing to pay all money in advance much before the product is launched.

Activa was sold out before if was launched.
Honda Unicorn was all booked much before it was launched way back in 2004
and now CBR. People happily booked it 5-6 months in Advance without even seeing the bike in flesh.

That kind of loyalty is only ruled and enjoyed by HONDA.

**Satyamzma** · 06-15-2011, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by sherry_unicornlover View Post

All said and done.

But I know of only 1 manufacturer for whom public is happily willing to pay all money in advance much before the product is launched.

Activa was sold out before if was launched.
Honda Unicorn was all booked much before it was launched way back in 2004
and now CBR. People happily booked it 5-6 months in Advance without even seeing the bike in flesh.

That kind of loyalty is only ruled and enjoyed by HONDA.

so when are you upgrading to CBR ABS

**niranjanvaidya** · 06-15-2011, 04:55 PM

I can forecast that this thread will be ballistic in no time. Loyalists from both the sides will write post after post and eventually this thread will be locked.

To each his own folks. If someone from Bajaj has commented over one of their competitors, let it be. Does Hero Honda pay you guys any loyalty bonus to defend? or for that matter, does Bajaj do it?

Please understand that the ultimate benefactor of this is us...the consumer. Competition improves the breed. Just the way Bajaj managed to pull manufacturers to deliver performance oriented bikes..or for that matter exposed the spending capacity of Indians when it managed to sell so many Ninjas..

Chillax guys, good bikes are just round the corner...and we are invited

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