Strongly agree on this point

Hmm I see atleast 3-4 guys complaining about vibes when ever i visit SVC (must be that all of them are xBhpians )

Recent conversations are based on "opinion" given out saying that new RTR has taller gear ratios is it on paper or mentioned in their site ? until then we should stop bashing new RTR
Still i dont believe TVS messed up gearing.

The gearing has definitely not "messed up". It had even improved the engine smoothness. But what i meant was tvs compromised a bit on the acceleration dept for smoothness. (I think they have put on the front sprocket of the 180 on the 160 for taller gearing, like they did with the rear tyres)

I think it might be because of 110 tire in rear. I am also running on 110 now and there s a drop in initial pick up but after that its OK in fact its better. Top end will increase a bit.

Are they tubeless too as in 180 any info on that ?

Payeng it would be nice, if you tested the bike once and gave a report, I would take that any day. Not to say that I don't respect @Hayaz's views, I respect his point of view too.

history repeats itself,
fiero was killed the same way.........

why cant they make a 250 or 350 is it so hard hmm have been waiting for long to see something good from them.

I would love to. In fact I haven't ridden quite a lot of recent models (R15 V2.0, CBR150R, Impulse, 2012 RTR series).. will try to sqeeze some time from attending to my new born.


The Fiero / Fiero F2 / Fiero FX never flourished in the first place. On the other hand the Fiero has one of the smoothest engine/gearbox on an Indian bike. But apart from that there was nothing else. Styling, features, handling were nothing to write much about.. and therefore lost the battle to the Pulsar (Classic) DTS-i (UG1 & 2) Twins.

The RTR despite it's vibey engine has quite a lot of unique stuff going for it.. tight / compact styling, sporty posture & handling, perky throttle response, quite decent feature list.. in short the Apache RTR (pre 2012 series) had managed to carve its own place (unlike the Fieros).


Making 250 / 350 cc should have promise of good returns. It is a big step / risk for any manufacturer

Right now only Honda has broken the 250 cc (made in India) barrier that too because it was developed keeping in mind the world market, produced simulataneous in India and Thailand and exported worldwide.. so that reduces the risk associated with just making for India.

The profits that TVS makes is thin.. therefore investing resource (precious R&D time, capital) on a category (250/350) which might/might not yield profits.. is well.. risky.

Ya i agree. At least Yamaha can make a 250 twin cylinder. i am not happy with CBR. its better than all the other bikes here in India but not happy coz I hate the sound of it. its like a big hero Honda.

one of my friend as a old CB200 2win and man its a sweetheart. its a head turner.. the sound is so good. even ninja sound is not that good. they could have released that old bike instead of this crap or at least CB250RS 33bhp model.

one of my customer has it and we did radial valve for it and full restoration. I love that bike. he is not ready to sell it. i offered him upto1.2 still he is not ready. then i decided to go for CBR but not good. Honda has completely drained power out of it for mileage .

CB200 sound
CB200 engine sounds.MOV - YouTube

Wow... that sound is awesome

How did you manage to come to this (pretty innacurate) conclusion? Based on some statistics i suppose??

Almost every (biker and non-biker) friend of mine who's ridden with me has complained about the pillion footpeg vibes on my bike around the 6-6.5k rpm mark. And not a single one of them are part of any internet forum.

The bike has it's plus points. It also has it's flaws. Why not just accept it instead of burying our heads in the sand? And if someone starts the whole short-stroke argument again, open your eyes and look at all the new oversquare short-stroke bikes in the market today...

IIRC, the only real competition to the first fiero was the cbz. There was about a 2-3 year gap between the fiero and the pulsar.

In spite of having one of the smoothest engines in indian history, the fiero lost out to the relatively cruder engined cbz in pretty much everything else.

I am trying to support the RTR lovers here

Yep, but TVS did keep the Fiero alive in the form of the F2 / FX around when the Pulsars were getting the first (UG1) and second (UG2) upgrades. Also the Pulsars ultimately led to the demise of both the CBZ (Classic) and the Fiero.

LOL.

The F2 etc. was too little, too late. And even with a disc, still didn't solve the handling issues. I still remember the fiero giving the cbz a run for its money even with that 4-speed box. Just think what it would have been with a disc, 5-speeder and a proper chassis. It would have been a bigger revolution than the cbz and would have held it's ground even against the first pulsars pretty well.

I agree. It was the conservative and safe attitude of TVS due to which the Fiero couldn't fire the imagination and the sales charts. Ultimately it had to be put down. Pity the engine and gearbox which was ultra smooth.

^^nicely written,
i was once a proud owner of a fiero and while talking about performance ,the bike was way ahead of its competition. it was missing nothing but only a fifth gear.
even first gen pulsars(esp 150) were no match for them.