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    • BMW to link up with TVS via its Husqvarna brand?

      Check this out.

      Having seen KTM, Triumph and a resurgent Ducati eye a move to Asian markets, BMW wants in but without devaluing its brand equity. Using its wholly-owned Italian subsidiary Husqvarna to forge a tie-up with Hosur-based bike maker TVS is one of the tasty possibilities with immense ramifications not just for India but also globally. Adil Jal Darukhanawala outlines the story which has the makings of a win-win situation for both bike makers and motorcyclists in the region.
      Full Story at the link below.
      EXCLUSIVE! BMW to link up with TVS via its Husqvarna brand? Page - 3| Zigwheels.com

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      • Originally posted by emzee View Post
        Great !!! Hope it comes true and TVS shares go sky high as well
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        • Originally posted by kantu View Post
          Great !!! Hope it comes true and TVS shares go sky high as well
          Dont really find whats in it for TVS, what i mean to say is, TVS doesn't need any partner, they have enough experience on the race track and a very capable R & D team to do any kind of innovation necessary.
          TVS shouldn't waste time for stuff like these, they should be launching products!!!
          Although, if TVS launches a separate ASC for Husqvarnaand premium TVS products, it would be quite nice
          An ASC which should not suck like the present ones.
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          • Originally posted by saipranav View Post
            Dont really find whats in it for TVS, what i mean to say is, TVS doesn't need any partner, they have enough experience on the race track and a very capable R & D team to do any kind of innovation necessary.
            TVS shouldn't waste time for stuff like these, they should be launching products!!!
            Although, if TVS launches a separate ASC for Husqvarnaand premium TVS products, it would be quite nice
            An ASC which should not suck like the present ones.
            Rightly said...moreover Husqvarna is a little too niche and I can't possibly think of an advantage for TVS with this. They already have the technology and the prowess required to bring in volumes and also increase it's share in the premium segment, but are damn lazy in doing just that
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            • hey guys... all those who say that TVS has nothing much to gain ....plz take a deep breath and think with a broader perspective about overall two-wheeler scene in india (okay you can skip the deep breath part).

              here's what i think-
              the major players in indian two-wheeler market are- bajaj, tvs, hero and yamaha, honda, suzuki. so basically there are two categories- indian companies and japs.

              now what has happened is japs recently recognized the indian market potential and the benifit of making india as a base also probably. so they started breaking there existing tie-ups with indian companies and entered the market on their own. they have too much financial and technical might to take on and dethrone the indian companies.

              now obviously most of the indian companies were not ready for this - they did not have the technical r&d strength to develop better products at a faster pace. so they devised a strategy- bring in a partner, who is not japanese, who does not have global presence like japs, who does not have the intentions of ruling world two wheeler market, who needs money, who is not very keen on competing in non-premium bike category or not very keen on indian market, -- yet is technically capable of taking on japs, will help in developing good products at a faster pace.

              so give him what he wants and he gives us what we want and we will not compete with each other in near future.

              so bajaj went to ktm, hero to erik buell and may be tvs to huqsvarna.

              i may be wrong. but i may be right.
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              • Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                hey guys... all those who say that TVS has nothing much to gain ....plz take a deep breath and think with a broader perspective about overall two-wheeler scene in india (okay you can skip the deep breath part).

                here's what i think-
                the major players in indian two-wheeler market are- bajaj, tvs, hero and yamaha, honda, suzuki. so basically there are two categories- indian companies and japs.

                now what has happened is japs recently recognized the indian market potential and the benifit of making india as a base also probably. so they started breaking there existing tie-ups with indian companies and entered the market on their own. they have too much financial and technical might to take on and dethrone the indian companies.

                now obviously most of the indian companies were not ready for this - they did not have the technical r&d strength to develop better products at a faster pace. so they devised a strategy- bring in a partner, who is not japanese, who does not have global presence like japs, who does not have the intentions of ruling world two wheeler market, who needs money, who is not very keen on competing in non-premium bike category or not very keen on indian market, -- yet is technically capable of taking on japs, will help in developing good products at a faster pace.

                so give him what he wants and he gives us what we want and we will not compete with each other in near future.

                so bajaj went to ktm, hero to erik buell and may be tvs to huqsvarna.

                i may be wrong. but i may be right.
                Bajaj and Hero both went to their respective partners because both of them needed some new pathbraking technology and i'am glad bajaj found it. But both hthese guys had LOADS of money.
                TVS does not exactly require new tech. they have it, they can make more of it. TVS doesn't have the kind of money Bajaj and Hero have(just a rough calculation). TVS' one year profits are less than bajaj 1/2 month profits...
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                • Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                  ^^ are you trying to say that riding in night with headlights 'OFF' and only pilot lights 'ON' is a good thing.
                  I am talking about normal scenario, where Street lights are enough... (Atleast in Mumbai didnt about other city )
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                  • Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                    here's what i think-
                    the major players in indian two-wheeler market are- bajaj, tvs, hero and yamaha, honda, suzuki. so basically there are two categories- indian companies and japs.
                    I think mahindra is also in the pipe line to be a major 2wheeler player in the Indian Market.

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                    • Originally posted by iNaresh View Post
                      I think mahindra is also in the pipe line to be a major 2wheeler player in the Indian Market.
                      tvs and hero are just making a tie-up... But what bajaj did is something different..they went ahead and bought 47% stake in ktm...so literally bajaj owns ktm... so kinda they can use their technology at will coz they paid the money
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                      • Originally posted by saipranav View Post
                        Dont really find whats in it for TVS, what i mean to say is, TVS doesn't need any partner, they have enough experience on the race track and a very capable R & D team to do any kind of innovation necessary.
                        Sai, a tie-up will drastically reduce the time to market. Remember, a late comer will struggle against established rivals even if it has potential!
                        Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                        here's what i think-
                        the major players in indian two-wheeler market are- bajaj, tvs, hero and yamaha, honda, suzuki. so basically there are two categories- indian companies and japs.
                        ...
                        so give him what he wants and he gives us what we want and we will not compete with each other in near future.

                        so bajaj went to ktm, hero to erik buell and may be tvs to huqsvarna.

                        i may be wrong. but i may be right.
                        @princesirohi: valid thought, and hope its true!

                        On other note, TVS seems to earn more on Scooty/XL etc., also can't afford to spend huge cash on perfomance bikes. So, I am not expecting miracles from them!
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                        • The original DNA of the RTR: Don't know if it was planned but TVS did strike gold when the Apache got its RTR avatar in 2007. When bikes like the Pulsar, Hunk, CBZ Xtreme, FZ all were/are trying to be manly, macho, muscular beasts, the RTR was different. It was compact and light with tight proportions. The racing DNA was also marketed well which rang a bell with enthusiasts.

                          In short, the RTR was different and that was its USP.


                          The 2012 RTR Series: All the flared plastic panels are an indication of TVS trying to forcefully make the petite Apache appear big. A look at the 2012 RTR in flesh makes it appear that the new design launguage is more in lines of the awkward CBZ Xtreme..!! What happened to the Racing DNA theme..??

                          Thankfully despite the effort, the 2012 RTR still appears compact and petite, which means that the USP should be still there. But aesthetics..??




                          Last edited by payeng; 07-09-2012, 12:43 AM.

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                          • I got this information from a reliable source that TVS would launch it's much awaited 220cc next month. Not sure though, lets wait and see
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                            • Originally posted by saipranav View Post
                              Bajaj and Hero both went to their respective partners because both of them needed some new pathbraking technology and i'am glad bajaj found it. But both hthese guys had LOADS of money.
                              TVS does not exactly require new tech. they have it, they can make more of it. TVS doesn't have the kind of money Bajaj and Hero have(just a rough calculation). TVS' one year profits are less than bajaj 1/2 month profits...
                              Sorry but that too much exhagerration and I can't take that with a pinch of salt. I am not anti-TVS by any manner but to quote the truth its TVS which needs more tech than Bajaj. Bajaj had always been better on the technology front event their earlier gen-bikes like P220i, P220DTSFi, P135LS were much better on the tech front. Powerful 220cc bikes as early as early 2007, 4 valve tech, smoother engine etc, DTSi engine as early as 2003. Even the chasis of these bikes though not very good but were better than Apache. Where Apache was better was the thrilling power in 150 and 180cc segments with a slighly sportier sitting position and a lighter body with more grunty engine. But with P200NS Bajaj has broken all grounds!! With a company as credible as BMW its TVS who would benefit the most. BMW by no way are going to make cheaper and sub 600cc bikes under their Brand names. Having said that would love to see TVS 200-250cc bikes with 20HP+ engines.
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                              • Some more news
                                Originally posted by http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303567704577515864259949698.html

                                NEW DELHI -- TVS Motor Co. is in talks with BMW AG's motorcycle division for a possible technological alliance, a move that may help the Indian company in developing higher powered two-wheelers to compete with local rivals Hero MotoCorp Ltd. and Bajaj Auto Ltd. as well as Japan's Yamaha Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co.

                                "We will share more details on the nature of the talks in due course," Venu Srinivasan, chairman of Chennai, south India-based TVS, said by phone on Monday.

                                A technological alliance is key for TVS to expand its product portfolio and arrest dwindling market share. TVS lost its position as the third-biggest scooter and motorcycle maker by sales in the last financial year ended March to Honda's two-wheeler unit in India.

                                A collaboration will help TVS develop bigger motorcycles and be better equipped for the fast-changing Indian two-wheeler market. Even though two-thirds of motorcycle sales in India are in the entry-level segment -- with engines in the 100-125 cubic centimeter range --the market for bigger motorcycles is expanding rapidly.

                                Local sales of motorcycles with engines above 125cc rose 17% in the past financial year to 2.99 million units. The growth outpaced a 12% rise in total local sales to 10.1 million motorcycles.

                                "A pact with BMW will change the fortunes of TVS," said Deepak Jain, an auto analyst at Sharekhan Ltd. "TVS has been stuck with its products, and technology from BMW will help it become a major player in the bigger-motorcycle segment."

                                Mr. Jain said a possible pact will also help BMW as the German auto maker can utilize TVS's sales network to sell its products in India.

                                A BMW India spokesman didn't respond to calls.

                                Shares of TVS rose on the news and at 0647 GMT they were up 6.4% at 38.95 rupees on the Bombay Stock Exchange, where the benchmark index was down 0.8%.

                                Earlier Monday, the Mint newspaper, citing Mr. Srinivasan, said TVS isn't considering selling any stake to BMW.

                                If talks with BMW conclude favorably, TVS will join Hero MotoCorp and Bajaj Auto in tying up with global two-wheeler makers to source technology for making larger motorcycles.

                                Hero MotoCorp had recently signed an agreement with U.S.-based Erik Buell Racing LLC for sourcing engines, while Bajaj Auto uses the technology and sells some products of Austrian bike maker KTM Power Sports AG, in which the Indian company has a 47% stake.

                                BMW's motorcycle division, BMW Motorrad, sells models under its R and K series and the S 1000 RR superbike in India.

                                BMW Motorrad's chief, Hendrik von Kuenheim, said in February the company was seeking partnerships with two-wheeler manufacturers in emerging markets, including in India, to locally build its motorcycles or some parts.
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                                Source : TVS, BMW in Talks for Technical Pact - WSJ.com

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