So if it doesnt have a refinery does it mean anyone buying SHELL petrol is indirectly buying petrol from BP HP or IO.

if it doesnt have refinery it means it isnt doing any modification purification mixing or whatsoever with the fuel right>?

so whats the point in buying fuel from them except u know they have directly bought unadultrated fuel from these companies and are providing you with that...if u manage to get a COCO fuel pump and get good fuel with no adulteration then it is as good as SHELL? isnt it?

So if it doesnt have a refinery does it mean anyone buying SHELL petrol is indirectly buying petrol from BP HP or IO.

if it doesnt have refinery it means it isnt doing any modification purification mixing or whatsoever with the fuel right>?

so whats the point in buying fuel from them except u know they have directly bought unadultrated fuel from these companies and are providing you with that...if u manage to get a COCO fuel pump and get good fuel with no adulteration then it is as good as SHELL? isnt it?

IMHO 5% Ethanol will not harm Engine much... If a Engine has life cycle of say 40k Kms ..... Ethanol mixed Petrol will lessen it's life resulting at around 36-38K ???

I have said this before somewhere and I will point it out again. Shell does not have any refining and blending capabilities in India. In short, it does not have a refinery. It buys its fuel from the companies that have refining and blending capabilities. Traditionally, Shell has been closely associated to Bharat Petroleum, since Bharat Petroleum was Shell in India before it was nationalised. Today, Shell in India is simply a distribution company, while they have plans for setting up of refinery but it seems to have been put on hold due to current government policies.

Now, coming to your query on whether the 5% Ethanol will be applicable to private players, the answer in one word; 'YES'. This will be a G.R. (Government Regulation) that will be applicable to all players in the petroleum refining and distribution industry.

Countries like Brazil have mandatory mixing and the mix % is as high as 20-25%...what will a puny 5% do?

i would like to clarify a few things-->>

1) why should i accept 5% ethanol mixed petrol, when there is no benefit to me - either in terms of cost or in terms of bike performance or mileage or life of bike parts.. ?? answer this question first then we can discuss the disadvantage of ethanol. You accepted unleaded petrol in the past. You also accepted CNG fuel (We all know what it does to the engine). You should accept it if you want India to grow. The 5% load is getting reduced on crude oil. Though it would not be an exact 5% reduction as Ethanol is added to it which will cost something.
Honda is using 10w30 grade oil in all its vehicles Shine to Accord etc etc.. it is an inferior grade of engine oil than a 20w40. But they are doing that cause it will reduce fuel consumption and pollution. Why should they?? There engine will run lesser than what they are designed for. But they do it for the ENVIRONMENT.

2) engine life- i do not know if ethanol will have direct effect on engine block piston. Europe is using 10% Ethanol from sometime now. You have been using Petrol + Diesel + Kerosene from ages too.

3) there is no maintenance issue here. of course lack of proper maintenance or keeping the bike for too long will increase the problems, but problems will be there even if you do proper maintenance and ride your bike daily. this is explained below.

4) ethanol degrades and dissolves all plastic and rubber parts over a period of time. so carb parts like float, diaphram, carb piston etc will need frequent replacement, along with petrol pipe, etc. fiber/plastic petrol tank of KTM bikes??...even there is deterioration in metal parts like metal petrol tanks. Rubber parts gets hardened with petrol usage. Thats why rubber pipes are replaced after sometime. It happenes with all solvents. Petrol is a very good solvent.


5) above point means your jets/injectors will be clogged more frequently. also, it means impure petrol going into engine and burning. Dont worry about Jets/Injectors.. Ethanol will clean them and make them run cleaner! Yes, for old engines.. it may cause some problems.


6) the calorific value of ethanol is less than petrol, so that means less mileage, less fuel efficiency. less kms per litre of petrol. Around 1% less. Its Insignificant.

7) ethanol attracts water/moisture, so in rainy season, it will attract lot of moisture and ultimately means water in petrol. needless to say its perils.

regarding the example of brazil, plz note 2 things-->

1) politicians and businessmen all the world are same, they will think only their benefit, and not common citizen's benefit, this is the main reason, not only in brazil but in most western countries ethanol blended petrol is available, as ultimately sugar industries lobby gets is sanctioned for the benefit of politicians and industrialists. BUT there atleast there is an option of normal petrol also available, here in india, politicians have left us no option at all. Irrelevant and Vague Statements

2) if any country declares that it will sell ethanol blended petrol, vehicle manufacturer-- if they wanna do business have no option but to modify there vehicles to be ethanol resistant. Here is the point!! We always see our own benefits!! We think just about today or maximum tomorrow... Start thinking not just about tomorrow.. but years ahead.
Thank God, Indian Government has risen to the occasion. In hyderabad Tata Indica V2 cant be sold. Only eV2 can be sold. Bharat Stage IV compliance is mandatory here. There is a difference of 30-40Ks in the base prices of these vehicles. What is your benefit? You are at a loss. But again, Thank God, Govt is inconsiderate to your loss and is more concerned about the asthma patient living beside the road.

SO YOU NEED TO ASK WHY--- WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO COMMON MAN.???

@ Samarth: i have signed and supported.

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i am surprised and shocked, more than 40,000 members, and not even 40 supporters.... no wonder india is in such a sorry state of affiars.

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