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**DarthVeda** · 06-19-2009, 10:41 AM

hopefully there will be a blue one, I just love the blue p220

MG · 06-19-2009, 10:45 AM

@kenda-Spy pics?Which site?

**ken cool** · 06-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

Developing Mono-Shock or Perimeter Frame(Yamaha call it Deltabox) is not a one day or a one month job. It takes a lot of time and I guess people at Bajaj have also realised the importance for same.If they haven't then I can't help it.

That is too funny. They will realise one day...

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

@kenda-Spy pics?Which site?

I had put it here y'day. I think you have deleted it!

**outworldly maniac** · 06-19-2009, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

Developing Mono-Shock or Perimeter Frame(Yamaha call it Deltabox) is not a one day or a one month job. It takes a lot of time and I guess people at Bajaj have also realised the importance for same.If they haven't then I can't help it.

+100
if it was so easy
everyone would have added a monoshock out there
it takes unbelievable amount of time and research to design a practical usage chassis and a body........
and things like mass distributions and all
its hell complicated ........

MG · 06-19-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

I had put it here y'day. I think you have deleted it!

Oh that one.And your post is not deleted.It was not a OT by any means.Here it is.

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

I do not know if I am allowed to do this, but I just came across this:
Forums - View Single Post - Just a few days more....

**ken cool** · 06-19-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

Developing Mono-Shock or Perimeter Frame(Yamaha call it Deltabox) is not a one day or a one month job. It takes a lot of time and I guess people at Bajaj have also realised the importance for same.If they haven't then I can't help it.

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

+100
if it was so easy
everyone would have added a monoshock out there
it takes unbelievable amount of time and research to design a practical usage chassis and a body........
and things like mass distributions and all
its hell complicated ........

If an engineering student (Alok Das aka inflammable) can develop a monoshock single handed as a college project, then mass manufacturers with billions going into advertising to showcase Hrithik Hroshan writhing in Htight clothes Hriding a Harizma HRacing a Fighter Haircraft should not have too much trouble developing a mono shock and getting the necessary changes on a chassis. If they have the moolah to buy out Ducati, they can develop a new chassis as well with mono shocks as well.

**Seamus** · 06-19-2009, 11:05 AM

Hey frnz yestrday paid a visit 2 probiking showroom at vashi to buy 220fi bt that service guy told me its no longer available and the booking of this new bike has started, although only 1 person had bookd it, am gona be the 2nd 1 since am a hardcore fan of 220 so am gona try my luck by booking it today and just hope that this 220 be the best

**outworldly maniac** · 06-19-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

If an engineering student (Alok Das aka inflammable) can develop a monoshock single handed as a college project, then mass manufacturers with billions going into advertising to showcase Hrithik Hroshan writhing in Htight clothes Hriding a Harizma HRacing a Fighter Haircraft should not have too much trouble developing a mono shock and getting the necessary changes on a chassis. If they have the moolah to buy out Ducati, they can develop a new chassis as well with mono shocks as well.

yeah they can do it and i dont doubt it
i am just telling that developing a practical real life usable design is difficult and takes time
it surely can be done but at the moment companies are busy thinking sticker and color themes and adding and removing fairings .... until people stop paying heed to them .. its gonna be the same

and i dont think now honda is anyway interested in herohonda
it has realized that this market has great potential and is profitable
so they want to earn money first for honda themselves ... then just help hh for namesake ....
so for hh to survive .... they have to do things like this

**hell_glider** · 06-19-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

If an engineering student (Alok Das aka inflammable) can develop a monoshock single handed as a college project, then mass manufacturers with billions going into advertising to showcase Hrithik Hroshan writhing in Htight clothes Hriding a Harizma HRacing a Fighter Haircraft should not have too much trouble developing a mono shock and getting the necessary changes on a chassis. If they have the moolah to buy out Ducati, they can develop a new chassis as well with mono shocks as well.

couldn't agree more. also there was that article about students in Kerala who developed FI for 2-stroke bikes. brought about better mileage and better emission levels. and yet most people still thinkm FI involves space age tech. once you break any system down into its components, it stops looking as complex as it did earlier.

its all a case of willingness to put yourself out there. sadly, its lacking with most indian manufacturers. they develop one chassis / platform and then need to milk it for all that its worth. nothing wrong with that, but then they do not realise that one size does not fit all, and that they need to have a portfolio of different solutions for different applications.

a new motorbike chassis with mono shock suspension is NOT rocket science. its complex, sure, but not complex enough for our manufacturers to use the complexity as an excuse to shy away from developing one.

**inder.cool** · 06-19-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Seamus View Post

Hey frnz yestrday paid a visit 2 probiking showroom at vashi to buy 220fi bt that service guy told me its no longer available and the booking of this new bike has started, although only 1 person had bookd it, am gona be the 2nd 1 since am a hardcore fan of 220 so am gona try my luck by booking it today and just hope that this 220 be the best

The bike hasn't launched as yet..not even spy pictures are available..but still bajaj has started taking the bookings..!!

And on top of it people without even seeing it or testing it have started booking it..!!

This all sounds so strange..

**Devilpulsarian** · 06-19-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by hell_glider View Post

there need not necessarily be anything wrong with that. jeremy clarkson does not own every car he reviews. he trashes some serious brands most of the times. same case with the airheads at some of our "auto and bike" magazines.

for e.g. ; sometimes you generally hear a brand of vehicle running and it consistently sounds bad, and you compare it with some other brand of vehicle which sounds so much better, and as someone who has done a fair bit of riding, one might find himself to be in a position to make a reasonably fair assessment of quality levels of a product without actually having to own one.

please note i have not mentioned ANY BRAND here. i am just questioning your logic about ownership being required to pass judgement about a product, which in my opinion is flawed. if you know your vehicles and your riding and are a reasonably experienced biker, a short ride on a bike should provide you a reasonable idea. but i notice your statement being made a number of times (maybe by other members as well) while defending BAL products.

Had you read the full post which was (rightly) edited by one of our mods, probably you wouldn't have questioned it!
You read the edited version...

Originally posted by DarthVeda View Post

hopefully there will be a blue one, I just love the blue p220

Bajaj can not dispense off the Blue color...
It sure has to be ther

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

Developing Mono-Shock or Perimeter Frame(Yamaha call it Deltabox) is not a one day or a one month job. It takes a lot of time and I guess people at Bajaj have also realised the importance for same.If they haven't then I can't help it.

One day I hope Bajajs will also handle like Yamahas and Hondas....

**abhijeet080808** · 06-19-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by hell_glider View Post

couldn't agree more. also there was that article about students in Kerala who developed FI for 2-stroke bikes. brought about better mileage and better emission levels. and yet most people still thinkm FI involves space age tech. once you break any system down into its components, it stops looking as complex as it did earlier.

its all a case of willingness to put yourself out there. sadly, its lacking with most indian manufacturers. they develop one chassis / platform and then need to milk it for all that its worth. nothing wrong with that, but then they do not realise that one size does not fit all, and that they need to have a portfolio of different solutions for different applications.

a new motorbike chassis with mono shock suspension is NOT rocket science. its complex, sure, but not complex enough for our manufacturers to use the complexity as an excuse to shy away from developing one.

Actually it is the mindset of we Indians which needs to change. We tend to think of almost anything which we do not understand as rocket science. DIY culture is sorely lacking here.

**dushyant** · 06-19-2009, 11:42 AM

well, the bikeindia thread says 'Is it a 200, 220 or the new 250??????????? What's cooking up? Speculations and just speculations. Did anybody manage to get some spy pics or something? And how can anyone book it without seeing or knowing about the actual stuff?

**insanebiker** · 06-19-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by dushyant View Post

well, the bikeindia thread says 'Is it a 200, 220 or the new 250??????????? What's cooking up? Speculations and just speculations. Did anybody manage to get some spy pics or something? And how can anyone book it without seeing or knowing about the actual stuff?

I believe that it is just an upgraded 220!

**sumit512** · 06-19-2009, 11:46 AM

When I was 15 I craved for bikes. When I was 25 I craved for some powerful bike in my Dad's budget. Now at 35 when I am myself a dad I am just waiting for this Pulsar 220 as this seems to be in my budget and might very well be my last attempt at speed

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