Fastest bike to be made ever... - Yea Right! I guess they din't hear of the Yammy RD 350 ever being made here....

(Bajaj doesn't resort to sticker/paint jobs, but improve its bikes with every iterations).

Not unless somebody is hell bent for a "full fairing" or is blind like Pankaj Kapur (as in the blind man TV ad who would only go for the Splendor) not to see anything else.

Whoever takes the competition one step ahead is good for us. I don't care if it's Bajaj, Yamaha or TVS.
But, I would definitely be pleased if it's Bajaj or TVS, coz they are OUR (Indian) companies. I hope the new P220 takes the competition one step further!

Speed and mileage are lapped up by customers very easily, I hope 140+ kmph is true speed and not a marketing gimmick like 109kmpl (which failed badly) and now no one believes Bajaj's mileage claims.

Tell me HONDA & YAMAHA have been making bikes for decades now... And Bajaj is company who have done loads of things on their own in pst 10 years... When Honda or Yamaha makes small capacity bikes... they can take loads of help from old expert Honda (Yamaha) people who work on litre bikes... cruisers... moto sports... Moto GP... etc etc... So for Honda & Yamaha everything is at their disposal.. And honestly NO R&D is being done over here in India... its being done in Japan.. in the most sophisticated laboratories of Honda & yamaha... which has taken years for them to build.

for Bajaj its not... they tear apart the engines... study the designs.. do loads of R&D and then come up with their product... which in my view is much more comendable in comparision to Honda's effort.

P.s - Bajaj is not having the most sophisticated labs... On top of that... Bajaj is doing loads inhouse... not like other indian manufacturer... TVS taking help from AVL.. to design their engines...

So when you compare Bajaj with Honda.. its comparision of 5-6 decades of experience.. to 1 decade of experience. (Yamaha's launched their first bike in 1958.. And Honda made their first bike in 1950s again). Is it really logical.

Man HOnda & Yamaha have been participating in Le mans race.. Moto Gp... and what not... Honda has been making cars too... so the kind of expertise they have inhouse.. its out of the world... I have personally spent a good time in Honda.. witnessing how good they are at making engines... (Honda Cars - greater Noida)..

Race - where you develop engines which have to run at their peak loads... continuously... There are tremendous amout of stresses on engine at high rpms... and yet deliver the best performance... where a micro second delay can be a reason for you loosing the title. When you develop Racing engines... you use the best technology to develop them and take your R&D to next levels... And R&D budgets for racing bikes is much more huge than budget for street bikes. More budget means.. you have the freedom to experiment and test more... there is liberty to creativity... when you experiment more... you learn more... You use best manufacturing processes and commit mistakes.. and then learn from them... and deliver the best next time. You use manufaturing processes whihc you cant think of using in mass production. You need accuracies where difference of a micron can lead to drop in pressure from Combustion chamber... etc etc... and when you get expert in making the race engines... making street bikes are a game for you. Look at it this way... When any new class litre bikes are launched it always said - This bikes takes its character from Moto Gp version. That means.. guys from racing team worked with team working on street version... slipper clutch... forged pistons... ceramic brake pads... etc.. etc..

Bajaj is not developing racing engines... cars or bikes.. whatever... so they dont have the capability what Yamaha & Honda has.... they make autorickshas...
And despite that.. they have managed to give an awesome competition to both Honda & Yamaha... And thats why I respect...

To tell you guys... Yamaha was actually scared to show FZ16 in Auto expo.. Yamaha was cared of Bajaj.. coz somewhwre they thought that... Bajaj is the only company... which can spoil the game.. what if.. bajaj comes out wiht a bike better looking than FZ16.. They know.. bajaj is aggressive. And this real incident came from my source who was actively involved in Launching of FZ16.

When you compare Bajaj with Yamaha & honda.. its like comparing a man with his grand father... And I bet... as a Man.. Bajaj is going good. We will see 10 years down the line...

When Yamaha or Honda product fails in India.. they have the backing from HONDA or YAMAHA Japan.. their parent company... I remember when i was in yamaha.. doing my training (2004)... they recieved 200 Crores.. from Yamaha Japan.. coz Yamaha was not doing good... And loads of their bikes were returned from showrooms.. coz the showrooms shut down.. or showrooms were not able to sell Yamaha bikes for months. A lot of 400 bikes was recieved by Yamaha from some state.. including Enticer... Crux. Even now when yamaha launched R15.. they had been granted fund mounting to 800 crores (if I recall it correctly)... So Yamaha japan has its hands over Yamaha India. Similarly Honda Japan.

BUT WHEN BAJAJ FAILS... they have to pay their own bills. There is no parent company to support bajaj with crores and crores.. So fear of failure for bajaj is more than Honda india or yamaha india.

The test was done by a magazine reporter only but incidently he is a racer too. Hence better figures.
Now, would you wanna read an article about say a Nissan GTR doing Q'tr mile in 15 secs coz the test reporter could not push its baalls out...when the same thing in the hands of the right driver can do a 12 secs flat. Which is the right verdict?
The reporters incapability to test should not reflect on the product.
3 yrs ago, Autocar did a speedtest feature of TVS factory drag bikes. The TVS Drag shaolin in the hands of M.S.Ravindra will do 14secs or lesser (depending on conditions), a bike which pumps 30bhp and mind you its a God damn peaky 2-stroke. One of the Autocar reporters rode the same bike and clocked 17.5secs in Qtr mile. The same reporter did 17 secs on the Drag Shogun which is approx 26bhp(coz it was less peaky). So was the underpowered bike faster or the rider incapable?
Its the same case with the R15 and p220. Peaky bikes have a way in which it has to be dealt. Any monkey can sit on a torque monster and the avg speeds will the same even if Rossi rode down a straight.

We don't believe magzines....

we dont believe magzine riders...(without knowing them)

we dont believe videos on the net

we dont believe........................................... ...........

So what we do is "Believe ourselves"....

and as far as I can say about both of these bikes....

Without getting into figures and stuff...
P220 is a blaster in terms of a straight-line drag...
It beats an R15 quite convincingly...

R15 is way too nimble for a p220 in corners and tracks...
and it beats a p220 even more convincingly ...!

Moreover there is a lot in both of these two bikes to look and admire rather than outright race/drag results....

The other side of the story is that compared to the P220, the handling on the R15 is so forgiving that it makes any monkey sitting on it feel as if he is a 'desi' Rossi.

Oh come on dude, I know I can expect that much from Bajaj, After all its not a stickering company .
When the P220 fi was showcased in auto expo, many were skeptical about it to making it to showrooms as Led tails, oil cooler, FI, digi speedo were as good as james bond car's features in indian market. Now you know these features are passe.
Bajaj dares to play the radical game and when it comes to changing the rules of indian automotive industry, nobody does it better than Bajaj. I woudnt be surprised at all if Bajaj comes out with the specs i mentioned.

You are right the Pulsar engine has been tuned for Low-Mid Power.. for the sake of Fuel efficiency and better city driveability.
But with the fastest bike claim, maybe the state of engine tune has been altered as well.. its not too difficult (especially with carbs).


By the way, talking of Dud engines, the R15 has as Dud an Engine at Low Revs as the Pulsar engine at high revs.
Peace?

I appreciate bajaj for whatever they have done till now , be it good or bad,

Thing with us also is that, we want everything for less.
r15 ppl say is overpriced , but it gives something which is class apart.
If bajaj gives something for lesser , we complain quality is not good.
For once we need to atleast appreciate what they are doing , they arent doing a cut copy paste job like HH does(agree that the product is good).
Few more days, wait n watch.

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A good product sells , whether it has the gadget or not.

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Having so many features over the zma, but still I fail to understand "why do people opt for zma"?

Having so many features over the zma, but still I fail to understand "why do people opt for zma"?

Hero Honda and Honda are big time pu$$ies all they want is to earn more with mass sales.. They sell what they want but no body is interested in what you want.. I somehow started to appreciate bajaj for their constant upgrades. If the big companies still remain quite shamelessly then bajaj may be the king of performance biking.

PS:....Err, wait a minute, Didn't Rajiv Bajaj said that It would be the fastest Pulsar ever produced.But anyways these pics are not out of place in this discussion!!

My Fi Pulsar 220 will give me more average!

Anyways i am not regretting anything about my choice.My bike gives me the rush whenever i request! That's it!

Hero Honda deserves appreciation for what it does best. That is provide good quality commuter oriented bikes. Yes, it is hamstrung by its lack of R&D, but have to accept that its good commuter bikes have made it the largest selling 2 wheeler maker of the world for quite some years now.

Yamaha deserves a standing ovation for what it has recently done, that is shake up the slow moving desi bike scene with exciting models like the FZ and R15. Welcome back Yamaha..!!

TVS needs to be appreciated for what it has done with the RTR series.. it has shown how to race on Sunday and sell on Monday.

Bajaj has to be credited for shaking up the desi performance biking scene in 2001 and making performance biking affordable to the common biker. The 2009 P220 seems to be in the same direction... that is one wouldn't have to hijack a bank to get the fastest bike in India.

The learning and improvements over these 8 years is for all to see.. laud the fact that it is working hard at perfecting its products.


R.I.P: Ride in Peace.

May be they have developed a new lighter frame as well as a new air-cooled engine.

Hero Honda deserves appreciation for what it does best. That is provide good quality commuter oriented bikes. Yes, it is hamstrung by its lack of R&D, but have to accept that its good commuter bikes have made it the largest selling 2 wheeler maker of the world for quite some years now.

Yamaha deserves a standing ovation for what it has recently done, that is shake up the slow moving desi bike scene with exciting models like the FZ and R15. Welcome back Yamaha..!!

TVS needs to be appreciated for what it has done with the RTR series.. it has shown how to race on Sunday and sell on Monday.

Bajaj has to be credited for shaking up the desi performance biking scene in 2001 and making performance biking affordable to the common biker. The 2009 P220 seems to be in the same direction... that is one wouldn't have to hijack a bank to get the fastest bike in India.

The learning and improvements over these 8 years is for all to see.. laud the fact that it is working hard at perfecting its products.


R.I.P: Ride in Peace.

Gosh... If Bajaj engineers see this thread they will go insane
So many expectations, complaints, praises and so on.. for an expected bike and near 30 pages of opinions in 2days
Whatever it is... Every manufacturer will get more competitive with these kinda Bikers who want more out of every company.. The times getting changed when we were satisfied with whatever they threw at us