i dont understand why would a news channel be given such freedom to talk about a product without complete information also..... i dont think even bajaj would allow that.... if P220 is something like 25 bhp and news people telling 21bhp..... bajaj would not certainly allow this
and why the number 21?
it seems that bajaj themselves have leaked out the info for prelaunch hype and nothing else
as joel and others are telling... there must be a change in the engine also
i think we should not jump upto conclusion comparing it with the previous product,,,,

That's usually the case.

The current engine cant take the bike where it supposed to! A change is a must. Compared to the claimed HP, The bike much like others, makes lesser at the crank but worser at the wheel so it needs a lot more power to get to a true 145kph. But all that ccs is definitely giving it oodles of torque, which is its biggest advantage!

Ok, Fuel Efficiency is fine.. but is that enough to shell out that much extra?

U got anything to support that claim? We would prefer few dyno charts rather than mere comments.

Few things bajaj needs to sort out what i feel from my end.

Oil drinking issues that have been common on all gen pulsars.
Pls rectify it.

On R15-Last week i rode to hyd did 572 kms non stop in 6 hrs 48 mins at 8500rpm all through.
oil had run 2230kms totally. Not even 50 ml loss in oil.
I couldn do this without tension/fear/surprise @the back of my mind on a 220/200/whatever multiples of 20 they have or will come.

Use better metallurgy in cylinders/valves.
40k kms and a bore gone ???
Pls Learn somethin from the Honda's. they go on forever

FI has its own use , better metering , causing better burning , lower vibes/jerks and etc etc.
Fi is something that doesn need poking around like a carb all the time . In 15k kms i havent had to touch the r15 even once.
That was not the case when i had a carbed bike.after a service , tune it , not happy with this , or that n etc etc.
when the bike is heated u dont find a loss in power on fi bikes , carbs its evident.(LC also helps no doubt).
A better chassis that flex's less and is more rigid.
reduce unnecessary dead weight where it can be reduced.

I appreciate bajaj for whatever they have done till now , be it good or bad,

Thing with us also is that, we want everything for less.
r15 ppl say is overpriced , but it gives something which is class apart.
If bajaj gives something for lesser , we complain quality is not good.
For once we need to atleast appreciate what they are doing , they arent doing a cut copy paste job like HH does(agree that the product is good).
Few more days, wait n watch.

Santa

^+1 Santa

Refer HERE. If that does not satisfy you at all. You are free to dyno-test a P220 and find out for yourself.

~peace

Ok......here goes another story........



This is done to accomodate Ninja which is coming with an FI and at 1.50 lakh......

It can be other way round also... No further comments...

Well some real good stuff being discussed over here.. when I left at 8.30 pm.. it was at page 18...andnow its page 23... great. Some real good stuff from hell rider... kwokfist... maniac... satyen... and joel... the modification expert... Loved reading the stuff... Thanks...

@devilpulsarian : 'Pulsar' is already 8 year old..right ? (4 models and several upgrades)...When will they 'break-even' with the competition w.r.t 'handling', any idea ?

bhai ninja has a carb as far as i know

Believe me...............NO.....

In India a flagship model can not be carb....hence Ninja would be FI....

^
rtr 180 is tvs flagship ,
zma is hh flagship
unicorn is honda's flag..

i dont see no fi on those.

I see fi on 160 and glamour and stunner.

A good product sells , whether it has the gadget or not.

A simple example,GSX1300R,better known as "busa" still sells with an analogue speedo, and its suzuki's flagship model in india too, where as the gsr150 gets a digi console.

Santa

and whats the logic behind this ?

I think FI is the unavoidable future. good or bad is of course up for debate.

1. no mainstream car in the country is sold today with a carburettor. its FI all the way. Reliability is pretty much sorted out and we hardly have any niggles. in the same way, these niggles will be sorted out on bikes too. plus the learning curve will presumably not be as steep.
2. on the plus side, no more carburettor adjustments, cleaning, or running improper mixtures.
3. Fuel is only going to get more and more expensive, so yes, fuel economy will matter eventually and to a large section of the market. also, this will become even more important as bigger cc engines become common place in the indian biking scene. the difference in FE at that point, between an FI vis-a-vis a carburetted system will become too much to ignore.
4. Emission laws and restrictions are only going to get more and more tougher, and in the not too distant future, carburettors will not be able to cut it anymore. this may be sooner than we all assume.
5. On the manufacturing point of view, FI is expensive now, also in part, due to lack of volumes, in addition to premium charged for "cutting edge" technology. but given the volumes, in terms of materials used, eventually the components required to put together an FI system, will be as cheap as carburettors today, or in fact, it may be so that, it costs more in terms of material and process costs to actually manufacture a carburettor.
6. from a tuning point of view, given that the tuner has the understanding of the engine to begin with and the required tools at hand, it should be easier to tune the engine for a specific performance level, whether sedate riding or the tracks, as compared to multiple trials and errors required for a carburettor based system.

There is one huge drawback though. FI means our trusted friendly neighbourhood mechanics will not be able to do serious work on the engine, and the manufacturers are never going to provide them the diagnostic hardware or software. third party tools may be a long time coming and expensive for the friendly neighbourhood mechanic. So we will be forced to go the the ASCs for engine specific work, which is great for the manufacturers and the dealers. Maintenance is huge revenue and they are going to work towards getting bike maintenance to generate revenues like car manufacturers.

So long term, FI will be the standard for bikes as well. no way in hell will TVS or bajaj stop further development on FI.