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MG · 06-18-2009, 03:11 PM

@Samarth-That's easier said than done.

@All-Many are expecting change in engine block & all.It's very clear that the new 220 will have the same engine block as the earlier one.So better be realistic rather than having sky high expectation.

As a P220 owner I just expect that this new bike to easily acclerate till 125-130km/hr.I don't care much about the top whack that it will be capable of because even though it reaches there it will take a lot of time. Also I want the suspension to be a bit more on the stiffer side so as to have better stability & cornering.If Bajaj is able to achieve this much then I will say job well done because 220 was good in all other aspects.

**pads** · 06-18-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Technician View Post

A lot of rumours.

A lot of claims and counter-claims.

A lot of discussion over these claims and counter-claims.

Let Bajaj reveal its product and its capabilities and its prone and cons (Fi vs. Carb, 200 vs. 220, 130 vs. 145 kmph, Bajaj vs. Honda). We will definitely not leave all these issues without severely hot high-stake discussions.

BTW, price aside, everything and every new addition is possible and is welcome.

Who has stopped Honda from updating ZMA or bringing a 250cc + 25 PS bike?

Who had forced Yamaha to limit the size of engine of R15 before 149 cc instead of a generous 250 or at least 200 cc in that excellent package?

Or why couldn't Japs bring a bike with power more than 17 PS?

Or where is it written that a 220 cc carbed bike cannot touch 140 kmph if you are not bothered about kmpl?

If a 2008 Honda City with 77 ps followed by a 2009 Honda City with 115 ps is not a flawed business strategy or ethical practice, how come a similar move by Bajaj is flawed?

We will discuss it all in detail, definitely.

Let it first be launched.

~~ +1........

**Aryan** · 06-18-2009, 04:04 PM

May be this bit of post (collected from the P220 ownership) might throw some more light to this thread.

Originally posted by Seamus View Post

@chiled_fire
just came back from a pbk showroom in vashi, well i must say i was impresed by the display of it..and there was staf member, he told me that 220 are no longer available, the company is launching the new 1 of its kind on 23rd of this month. So i think waiting for this machine is in my destiny..but he told me to book it so that wen the bike is oficialy launched i get it the very next moment. And he also added that there's gona be black theme of 220 with some fairing changes since the present fairing is goin to be seen in 200, and also sm 2 bhp more and sm change in exhaust too..duno how true is that, but the botom line remains the same for me...ahem-ahem, 'tarik pe tarik, tarik pe tarik'

**pads** · 06-18-2009, 04:23 PM

^^ nice find..... but the PBK Hyd guys told me that its gonna be 200...... n 220 might come at the end of the month....... let it launch....... we'll see.......

**Thunder** · 06-18-2009, 04:30 PM

Same here PBK Chennai guys said the same thing.... Its gonna a Faired P200 with rear Disc and not P220 which is gonna launch on June 23rd.......

Lets wait and watch

**ken cool** · 06-18-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

Also I want the suspension to be a bit more on the stiffer side so as to have better stability & cornering.If Bajaj is able to achieve this much then I will say job well done because 220 was good in all other aspects.

Yes, I remember talking about this with the Bajaj engineers nearly 2 years ago. And you know very well what he replied!

**abhijeet080808** · 06-18-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

Yes, I remember talking about this with the Bajaj engineers nearly 2 years ago. And you know very well what he replied!

Can we know that too?

**ken cool** · 06-18-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

Can we know that too?

He said that it is not very difficult to spring the bike harder. But the majority of the buyers in the market will find it uncomfortable. And word will go around that Bajaj bikes have a stiff suspension and are uncomfortable. Most of the buyers do not want to take the bike out to sweep around corners do they! Hence the suspension has been maintained soft and easy. For Indian roads. Very little feedback.

**Sarvajit** · 06-18-2009, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

He said that it is not very difficult to spring the bike harder. But the majority of the buyers in the market will find it uncomfortable. And word will go around that Bajaj bikes have a stiff suspension and are uncomfortable. Most of the buyers do not want to take the bike out to sweep around corners do they! Hence the suspension has been maintained soft and easy. For Indian roads. Very little feedback.

Yes! the 220 handles very well around the corners with a stiff rear suspension setting. RaviKiran's setting is on the hardest&cutting corners was a breeze with it.
But Dada, stiffer suspension would mean a bad back considering the city riding infested with potholes.

**ken cool** · 06-18-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

But Dada, stiffer suspension would mean a bad back considering the city riding infested with potholes.

That is what the engineer was saying too. And that is what I have quoted above. Though I would prefer to have some stiffness up front. I prefer to have more feedback from the front.

**Praful** · 06-18-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

He said that it is not very difficult to spring the bike harder. But the majority of the buyers in the market will find it uncomfortable. And word will go around that Bajaj bikes have a stiff suspension and are uncomfortable. Most of the buyers do not want to take the bike out to sweep around corners do they! Hence the suspension has been maintained soft and easy. For Indian roads. Very little feedback.

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

Yes! the 220 handles very well around the corners with a stiff rear suspension setting. RaviKiran's setting is on the hardest&cutting corners was a breeze with it.
But Dada, stiffer suspension would mean a bad back considering the city riding infested with potholes.

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

That is what the engineer was saying too. And that is what I have quoted above. Though I would prefer to have some stiffness up front. I prefer to have more feedback from the front.

And hence, Bajaj needs to actually look at the source of the problem i.e. The Frame!

Suspension changes will help to a certain extent only, unless and until Bajaj can genuinely do something about that, the Pulsar will remain only a straightline bike!

I hope with this rumored iteration of the 220 they have done atleast some tweaks to the dynamics of the bike!

**ken cool** · 06-18-2009, 05:43 PM

I do not know if I am allowed to do this, but I just came across this:
Forums - View Single Post - Just a few days more....

**apacheboy** · 06-18-2009, 05:48 PM

On a Different note

The current P-220 used to retail for 91k (On road, Hyd), going by the speculation the new P-220 will retails for around 80k (70k ex-showroom+ Taxes)...

Does the FI unit alone costs > 10k ? or are Bajaj cutting corners somewhere else aswell to meet the price target of its rivals, if that is the case then we may see component failure issues as we had seen with the Gen-1 p-220 & the P-200..

**payeng** · 06-18-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by apacheboy View Post

The current P-220 used to retail for 91k (On road, Hyd), going by the speculation the new P-220 will retails for around 80k (70k ex-showroom+ Taxes)...

Does the FI unit alone costs > 10k ? or are Bajaj cutting corners somewhere else as well to meet the price target of its rivals, if that is the case then we may see component failure issues as we had seen with the Gen-1 p-220 & the P-200..

This has been posted before, am posting it again.

The CBF Stunner PGMFi costs 15K more than the carb version. But yes it does come with new color schemes (

)

**Lost Soul** · 06-18-2009, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

This has been posted before, am posting it again.

The CBF Stunner PGMFi costs 15K more than the carb version. But yes it does come with new color schemes (

)

But its not that they took a normal stuner and then painted it again that justifies the higher cost like FZs . shouldnt it cost the same to them ?

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New Pulsar 220 to launch on June. 23: Details out on Post No. 521 & 524

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