could it be one of the xenophya designs which were leaked? who knows....

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rtr 180 is tvs flagship ,
zma is hh flagship
unicorn is honda's flag..

i dont see no fi on those.

I see fi on 160 and glamour and stunner.

A good product sells , whether it has the gadget or not.

A simple example,GSX1300R,better known as "busa" still sells with an analogue speedo, and its suzuki's flagship model in india too, where as the gsr150 gets a digi console.

Santa

and whats the logic behind this ?

Hero Honda deserves appreciation for what it does best. That is provide good quality commuter oriented bikes. Yes, it is hamstrung by its lack of R&D, but have to accept that its good commuter bikes have made it the largest selling 2 wheeler maker of the world for quite some years now.

Yamaha deserves a standing ovation for what it has recently done, that is shake up the slow moving desi bike scene with exciting models like the FZ and R15. Welcome back Yamaha..!!

TVS needs to be appreciated for what it has done with the RTR series.. it has shown how to race on Sunday and sell on Monday.

Bajaj has to be credited for shaking up the desi performance biking scene in 2001 and making performance biking affordable to the common biker. The 2009 P220 seems to be in the same direction... that is one wouldn't have to hijack a bank to get the fastest bike in India.

The learning and improvements over these 8 years is for all to see.. laud the fact that it is working hard at perfecting its products.


R.I.P: Ride in Peace.

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rtr 180 is tvs flagship ,
zma is hh flagship
unicorn is honda's flag..

i dont see no fi on those.

I see fi on 160 and glamour and stunner.

A good product sells , whether it has the gadget or not.

A simple example,GSX1300R,better known as "busa" still sells with an analogue speedo, and its suzuki's flagship model in india too, where as the gsr150 gets a digi console.

Santa

I think I'm in the wrong place now.
Dude, 130kph that your friend saw on his RTR is on the speedo. That much is a true 118kph on the RTR. So if the bike has to achive a true 145, the digi speedo will indeed indicate upwards of 150-155kph. And the manufacturer claimed 15.2ps (not bhp) is approx a true 14 odd bhp only at the crank.
Bajaj and every other maker over-claim their actual figures as part of the marketing stunt. An R15 makes 15.75bhp true at the crank in reality and some 14.xxbhp at the wheel.
The pulsar 220 makes around 18bhp true at the crank.
A fully blown TVS racing group B RTR 160 which pumps approx 21bhp and weighs 75-80kilos clocks 140kph in 600mtrs. So just relate what I'm saying.

Ok......here goes another story........

This is done to accomodate Ninja which is coming with an FI and at 1.50 lakh......

In India a flagship model can not be carb....hence Ninja would be FI....

I think FI is the unavoidable future. good or bad is of course up for debate.

1. no mainstream car in the country is sold today with a carburettor. its FI all the way. Reliability is pretty much sorted out and we hardly have any niggles. in the same way, these niggles will be sorted out on bikes too. plus the learning curve will presumably not be as steep.
2. on the plus side, no more carburettor adjustments, cleaning, or running improper mixtures.
3. Fuel is only going to get more and more expensive, so yes, fuel economy will matter eventually and to a large section of the market. also, this will become even more important as bigger cc engines become common place in the indian biking scene. the difference in FE at that point, between an FI vis-a-vis a carburetted system will become too much to ignore.
4. Emission laws and restrictions are only going to get more and more tougher, and in the not too distant future, carburettors will not be able to cut it anymore. this may be sooner than we all assume.
5. On the manufacturing point of view, FI is expensive now, also in part, due to lack of volumes, in addition to premium charged for "cutting edge" technology. but given the volumes, in terms of materials used, eventually the components required to put together an FI system, will be as cheap as carburettors today, or in fact, it may be so that, it costs more in terms of material and process costs to actually manufacture a carburettor.
6. from a tuning point of view, given that the tuner has the understanding of the engine to begin with and the required tools at hand, it should be easier to tune the engine for a specific performance level, whether sedate riding or the tracks, as compared to multiple trials and errors required for a carburettor based system.

There is one huge drawback though. FI means our trusted friendly neighbourhood mechanics will not be able to do serious work on the engine, and the manufacturers are never going to provide them the diagnostic hardware or software. third party tools may be a long time coming and expensive for the friendly neighbourhood mechanic. So we will be forced to go the the ASCs for engine specific work, which is great for the manufacturers and the dealers. Maintenance is huge revenue and they are going to work towards getting bike maintenance to generate revenues like car manufacturers.

So long term, FI will be the standard for bikes as well. no way in hell will TVS or bajaj stop further development on FI.

Bro, 109kmpl is "under standard testing conditions". My platina returns between 89-91 kmpl in proper city riding(tested it many times). It might return more on the highway. What more mileage do you expect from a bike?


Having so many features over the zma, but still I fail to understand "why do people opt for zma"?

People opt for ZMA because of the "Honda Engines are reliable engines, HH bikes need very less maintenance....etc."

Zma has proven itself as a decent and comfy commuter, prefered tourer, excellent highway tool, reliability is quite good. Initial cost is not very high for it's cc, people some what see 'risk-free' in zma, that's why people opt for Zma. Zma popularity is in tact inspite of R15/P220fi/P200 launches.

Hero Honda deserves appreciation for what it does best. That is provide good quality commuter oriented bikes. Yes, it is hamstrung by its lack of R&D, but have to accept that its good commuter bikes have made it the largest selling 2 wheeler maker of the world for quite some years now.

Yamaha deserves a standing ovation for what it has recently done, that is shake up the slow moving desi bike scene with exciting models like the FZ and R15. Welcome back Yamaha..!!

TVS needs to be appreciated for what it has done with the RTR series.. it has shown how to race on Sunday and sell on Monday.

Bajaj has to be credited for shaking up the desi performance biking scene in 2001 and making performance biking affordable to the common biker. The 2009 P220 seems to be in the same direction... that is one wouldn't have to hijack a bank to get the fastest bike in India.

The learning and improvements over these 8 years is for all to see.. laud the fact that it is working hard at perfecting its products.


R.I.P: Ride in Peace.

Bajaj is watching this thread.. ... I know for sure.

If you guys remmeber.. when xbhp got resurrected last year... Sunny bhai wrote that.. there are so many companies using xbhp as a platform to get good inputs from some hardcore bikers out here (though they may not implement all what we say... as they have to look at the other side of the coin too.. read poser bikers & masses-- non xbhpians)... without acknowledging that... they have actually got a decent info... So many market research company using xbhp for their deeds...

And there might be some company people amongst us.. replying like a dumb.. and sometimes fueling an already heated arguments.

Wow I dont know how I missed this thread.

Anyways if what I have heard & whats posted in the first page is true then Welcome New 220 & Bye Bye 200

Guys, I appreciate the decision to move to Carb's.
Later on, they can introduce both Fi Kits and Performance Kits for this bike. Of course, installation of which would be in Probikings only.

This way, the common man can buy a P220, and if he has the "Cash" later on, he can go on to make it a better Pulsar than it is now... Ain't that logical?

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