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Originally posted by rahuldevnath
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Ok if it's a carb version,Will it give a good fight to Super Good Tourer ZMA ?
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Hey Mate, Just a thought of mine... when a 17 bhp 6 speeder with 4 valves can see a top whack of 135+kmph in good conditions, I dont see any reason why the new p220 wouldnt be able to hit 140-145kmph provided it comes with 21-22 bhp on tap.Originally posted by Joel View Post
It just depends on how the power curve of the new p220 wud be, it needs to be more peaky to do that, if the peak bhp is at around 9k rpm and peak torque around 7.5-8k rpm with 4valves and well sorted out 6 speed gear box with kerb weight around 140kgs then 140kmph plus would be very much achievable
or am i asking for too much??
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you know you are asking for too muchOriginally posted by road_ripper View Postor am i asking for too much??
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man!!!! this thread is growing by the minute. and now the claim of a 200 and not a 220. what we speculate is not whet we get. It's really exciting, can't wait till 23rdComment
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Thats coz that 4-valve 17ps engine weighs only 118kgs dry. While a pulsar would weigh close to 145-148kgs. Coupled with light weight wheels and tyres which offer the least rolling resistance and with a drive train, valve train and internals which offer the least losses among any other Indian bike. If only you strip an R15 engine will your respect increase for Yamaha's clever engineering. All the brochures and pamplets dont tell half the story. FYI a stock R15 will only clock a true 130-132kph in optimum conditions.Originally posted by road_ripper View Postwhen a 17 bhp 6 speeder with 4 valves can see a top whack of 135+kmph in good conditions, I dont see any reason why the new p220 wouldnt be able to hit 140-145kmph provided it comes with 21-22 bhp on tap.
It just depends on how the power curve of the new p220 wud be, it needs to be more peaky to do that, if the peak bhp is at around 9k rpm and peak torque around 7.5-8k rpm with 4valves and well sorted out 6 speed gear box with kerb weight around 140kgs then 140kmph plus would be very much achievable
or am i asking for too much??
So thats why I echo that it will need more than 21bhp to get that loco to clock 145kph.
And a 4-valve is too much to ask for the price they gonna offer at.
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Oh come on dude, I know I can expect that much from Bajaj, After all its not a stickering companyOriginally posted by hell_glider View Postyou know you are asking for too much.
When the P220 fi was showcased in auto expo, many were skeptical about it to making it to showrooms as Led tails, oil cooler, FI, digi speedo were as good as james bond car's features in indian market. Now you know these features are passe.
Bajaj dares to play the radical game and when it comes to changing the rules of indian automotive industry, nobody does it better than Bajaj. I woudnt be surprised at all if Bajaj comes out with the specs i mentioned.Fun Starts at Redline!!!Comment
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Most likely the new P220 DTSi will still be a parts bin rehash (at which Bajaj is good at), so it can't match Zma in touring capability, endurance capability, proven reliability , highway handling, etc etc. It will beat Zma in only one department, Straightline drag.Originally posted by ACE_HUNTER View PostOk if it's a carb version,Will it give a good fight to Super Good Tourer ZMA ?Comment
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Why does it need more than 21 bhp to attain that much speed,my friend has a apache 160(carb) and he has ridden it to a top speed of 130 kmph and apache has only 15.2 bhp.Originally posted by Joel View PostThats coz that 4-valve 17ps engine weighs only 118kgs dry. While a pulsar would weigh close to 145-148kgs. Coupled with light weight wheels and tyres which offer the least rolling resistance and with a drive train, valve train and internals which offer the least losses among any other Indian bike. If only you strip an R15 engine will your respect increase for Yamaha's clever engineering. All the brochures and pamplets dont tell half the story. FYI a stock R15 will only clock a true 130-132kph in optimum conditions.
So thats why I echo that it will need more than 21bhp to get that loco to clock 145kph.
And a 4-valve is too much to ask for the price they gonna offer at.
i know some of u might say that apache is lighter but how much more bhp will be needed for that extra weight?Comment
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Nothing personal. But you have opposed the P220 in almost every post of yours. Have you really ridden the bike? I personally only found the comfy seating position of the Zma its only plus point. P220 was better in every other criterias. Yeah, I can not comment about reliability - I do not own one. Just stating my opinion.Originally posted by vipin_s View PostYour biking tells a lot about the person you are!Comment
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+1. He already got a warning from the mods for that. But still he doesnt change.Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View PostWhen everything comes ur way, u r in the wrong way ;)
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I think I'm in the wrong place now.Originally posted by frank_dude_007 View Post
Dude, 130kph that your friend saw on his RTR is on the speedo. That much is a true 118kph on the RTR. So if the bike has to achive a true 145, the digi speedo will indeed indicate upwards of 150-155kph. And the manufacturer claimed 15.2ps (not bhp) is approx a true 14 odd bhp only at the crank.
Bajaj and every other maker over-claim their actual figures as part of the marketing stunt. An R15 makes 15.75bhp true at the crank in reality and some 14.xxbhp at the wheel.
The pulsar 220 makes around 18bhp true at the crank.
A fully blown TVS racing group B RTR 160 which pumps approx 21bhp and weighs 75-80kilos clocks 140kph in 600mtrs. So just relate what I'm saying.sigpic
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well well ...... me being a latest addition to the 220 family, i am a bit skeptical about this launch. the bikes gonna be out with a carb..fine.with 70k delhi price.ok..touches mind boggling speeds. wokay paa !!!!....but dont u feel theres always some CaTcH .the only way to find out is to wait. ALL i need to say is i am a very happy FI owner . DO all FI owners BaCk Me Up On ThIs ??
..I am too, itching to find out how the new kid(kids) on the block will perform.... the post that started off with some news had led to a legal debate about performance, looks etc etc.... Just wait guys....
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My Fi Pulsar 220 will give me more average!
Anyways i am not regretting anything about my choice.My bike gives me the rush whenever i request! That's it!
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I have ridden both. Ofcourse ZMA is much more comfortable to ride. Also engine less revvy and remains stress free. But a 220, has much more positive points as a tourer. I guess you haven't tried comparing the projector headlights to candle lights! And Highway handling and reliability? Give me break! Try finding any of the parts of a ZMA in remote places!Originally posted by vipin_s View PostBeen There, Done That; Better!Comment
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You are right the Pulsar engine has been tuned for Low-Mid Power.. for the sake of Fuel efficiency and better city driveability.Originally posted by Joel View Post
But with the fastest bike claim, maybe the state of engine tune has been altered as well.. its not too difficult (especially with carbs).
By the way, talking of Dud engines, the R15 has as Dud an Engine at Low Revs as the Pulsar engine at high revs.
Peace?
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