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**thebagchi** · 06-17-2009, 05:49 PM

Figures vary a lot, different people came out with different figures.
wisest thing would be self evaluation of the product.

If i remember correctly "Engine Hacker" did bore out a P180 to 247cc.
so it wouldn't be impossible for Bajaj to take pointers from there, so things Alok said might just be remotely possible.

**niks_devil666** · 06-17-2009, 05:51 PM

^ we'll have to wait for some time for the figs. by various magz. I hope 6 days is worth a wait.

**Joel** · 06-17-2009, 06:10 PM

@Payeng - The magazine figures are always ridiculous. There is a variation of nearly a whole second for the R15. Damn!
Ok, in our case when tested it was by a racer who rides group D. The others are all tested aboard 80-90 kilo uncles. However i see that the p220 has been more consistent in performance, coz its got more CC. The R15 is more peaky and has to be lauched the right way to get the best results, else the P220 will crack it.
We have also track tested stock R15 and P220 down the 800mtrs straight at Kari Motor Speedway and the R15 was 2-3kph faster, right from acceleration. And none are lame uncles. All are riders/racers who are on their toes

**kriss** · 06-17-2009, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

@Payeng - The magazine figures are always ridiculous. There is a variation of nearly a whole second for the R15. Damn!
Ok, in our case when tested it was by a racer who rides group D. The others are all tested aboard 80-90 kilo uncles. However i see that the p220 has been more consistent in performance, coz its got more CC. The R15 is more peaky and has to be lauched the right way to get the best results, else the P220 will crack it.
We have also track tested stock R15 and P220 down the 800mtrs straight at Kari Motor Speedway and the R15 was 2-3kph faster, right from acceleration. And none are lame uncles. All are riders/racers who are on their toes

Do u mean... people between 80-90 or more weight are uncles ?

**satyenpoojary** · 06-17-2009, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by kriss View Post

Do u mean... people between 80-90 or more weight are uncles ?

Lolz! He meant Uncles who are 80-90 KG and do these test rides....

BTW Has anyone seen that YouTube Video of the P220 vs ZMA vs the RTR Fi shootout? Have look at them on the turns and the twists.... will make you sit up and react... Is this what I am referring to as Ride Reviews!

**payeng** · 06-17-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

@Payeng - The magazine figures are always ridiculous. There is a variation of nearly a whole second for the R15. Damn!

Ok, in our case when tested it was by a racer who rides group D. The others are all tested aboard 80-90 kilo uncles. However i see that the p220 has been more consistent in performance, coz its got more CC. The R15 is more peaky and has to be lauched the right way to get the best results, else the P220 will crack it.

We have also track tested stock R15 and P220 down the 800mtrs straight at Kari Motor Speedway and the R15 was 2-3kph faster, right from acceleration. And none are lame uncles. All are riders/racers who are on their toes

But then Joel, doesn't these so called uncles (

) reflect the nearest real life scenario/riding habits/conditions better than professional racers..??

After all when these (publication) guys who make a living out of riding/testing these machines, can't match the expertise of launching a motorcycle, how can a 'biker next door' like me expect to do it properly.

Our bikes are ridden by guys all all sizes and weights. A consistent performer would be more acceptable in that case then righ?.

Moreover not all of these publication guys are the "uncle types", I know at least one journo who also happens to be one of the Best Rider out there in India.

For all practical purposes, most of us will have to subscribe to these magazine published figures.

**inflammable** · 06-17-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by sumit512 View Post

Mr inflammable You are doing more bad then good

. This is worse then the actual torture. Whats it that you want? If you wanted to create a sensation .. you have pretty much done that. Now either tell us the real thing or ......... tell us the truth

Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

+1. I agree. If you have any info, please share with us!

Originally posted by srivaatsav View Post

+2 you got fans mate

. Mate we waited so long and am sure all of us ova here are very curious to know about it ! we dont expect you to tell us everything you know .. but .. we would be happy if you give us information atleast in bits and pieces ! cheers !

Yes.. please wait for right time.

I am sorry about this.

Originally posted by Joel View Post

Well, I dont support anyone, but I can see what you are doing

Ofcourse if the New P220 cant beat the old ones figures, it rather not exist. I hope they have reworked on that stupid cylinder head for once, then we can get some juice out.

Yes I wholeheartedly support Bajaj. Because of their genuine efforts.. likely you said.

**suhail_kapoor** · 06-17-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

@Payeng - The magazine figures are always ridiculous. There is a variation of nearly a whole second for the R15. Damn!
Ok, in our case when tested it was by a racer who rides group D. The others are all tested aboard 80-90 kilo uncles. However i see that the p220 has been more consistent in performance, coz its got more CC. The R15 is more peaky and has to be lauched the right way to get the best results, else the P220 will crack it.
We have also track tested stock R15 and P220 down the 800mtrs straight at Kari Motor Speedway and the R15 was 2-3kph faster, right from acceleration. And none are lame uncles. All are riders/racers who are on their toes

Ops .. in this case, all amongst me, old fox, B2L are uncles now.Might be some others too. But yeah, to us seconds don't matter until its about riding for life.

**pranay** · 06-17-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

BTW Has anyone seen that YouTube Video of the P220 vs ZMA vs the RTR Fi shootout? Have look at them on the turns and the twists.... will make you sit up and react... Is this what I am referring to as Ride Reviews!

YouTube - Karizma Vs. Apache RTR Fi Vs. Pulsar 220 Fi

If you are talking about this one then these are obviously car guys riding bikes and giving opinions, IMO.

**inder.cool** · 06-17-2009, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

BTW Has anyone seen that YouTube Video of the P220 vs ZMA vs the RTR Fi shootout? Have look at them on the turns and the twists.... will make you sit up and react... Is this what I am referring to as Ride Reviews!

Could you post its link here..!! Coz the one i saw was not that exciting...

Originally posted by pranay View Post

YouTube - Karizma Vs. Apache RTR Fi Vs. Pulsar 220 Fi

If you are talking about this one then these are obviously car guys riding bikes and giving opinions, IMO.

Yup, i saw this only...and i also feel the same as Pranay..!

**satyenpoojary** · 06-17-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

But then Joel, doesn't these so called uncles (

) reflect the nearest real life scenario/riding habits/conditions better than professional racers..??

After all when these (publication) guys who make a living out of riding/testing these machines, can't match the expertise of launching a motorcycle, how can a 'biker next door' like me expect to do it properly.

Our bikes are ridden by guys all all sizes and weights. A consistent performer would be more acceptable in that case then righ?.

Moreover not all of these publication guys are the "uncle types", I know at least one journo who also happens to be one of the Best Rider out there in India.

For all practical purposes, most of us will have to subscribe to these magazine published figures.

Isnt that like giving the Bugatti Veyron to me and take my 0-60 Speed and call it the Cars top speed!
Ofcourse the usual riders would be similarly profiled, but then that isnt the Bikes performance, thats more of the riders skill...

A good result would be when we plonk in similarly skilled riders in similar conditions and rotate the bikes chosen! But who the heck does that!

Thats why I said all this need to go into a separate thread!!!!

Originally posted by pranay View Post

YouTube - Karizma Vs. Apache RTR Fi Vs. Pulsar 220 Fi

If you are talking about this one then these are obviously car guys riding bikes and giving opinions, IMO.

Thats the video, arent they cute

**nightwing** · 06-17-2009, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

Thats the video, arent they cute

ROTFL.

I have this on a CD that I got along with an Overdrive issue.

**pads** · 06-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

Lolz! He meant Uncles who are 80-90 KG and do these test rides....

BTW Has anyone seen that YouTube Video of the P220 vs ZMA vs the RTR Fi shootout? Have look at them on the turns and the twists.... will make you sit up and react... Is this what I am referring to as Ride Reviews!

man it took me this long to watch the video....... its too good....... n see the smile on their faces....... it was too coollllllllllllllllllll..........

n from where all these uncles came....... posts are related to them....... what the moderators are doing........ these are also OT.......

**Joel** · 06-17-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

But then Joel, doesn't these so called uncles (

) reflect the nearest real life scenario/riding habits/conditions better than professional racers..??

After all when these (publication) guys who make a living out of riding/testing these machines, can't match the expertise of launching a motorcycle, how can a 'biker next door' like me expect to do it properly.

The test was done by a magazine reporter only but incidently he is a racer too. Hence better figures.
Now, would you wanna read an article about say a Nissan GTR doing Q'tr mile in 15 secs coz the test reporter could not push its baalls out...when the same thing in the hands of the right driver can do a 12 secs flat. Which is the right verdict?
The reporters incapability to test should not reflect on the product.
3 yrs ago, Autocar did a speedtest feature of TVS factory drag bikes. The TVS Drag shaolin in the hands of M.S.Ravindra will do 14secs or lesser (depending on conditions), a bike which pumps 30bhp and mind you its a God damn peaky 2-stroke. One of the Autocar reporters rode the same bike and clocked 17.5secs in Qtr mile. The same reporter did 17 secs on the Drag Shogun which is approx 26bhp(coz it was less peaky). So was the underpowered bike faster or the rider incapable?
Its the same case with the R15 and p220. Peaky bikes have a way in which it has to be dealt. Any monkey can sit on a torque monster and the avg speeds will the same even if Rossi rode down a straight.

**Lost Soul** · 06-17-2009, 07:18 PM

even i kinda agree these 80 kilo uncles should'bt test ride these bikes .
they are just too old , slow and Fat to test ride and try to push a bike to limit especially the journalists.

after age of 31 the reflexes of humans start getting slower and slower
test your reflex here - http://www.happyhub.com/network/reflex/ .

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