Agree on this!

To get the best out of a bike it needs to be ridden by the best possible.

But to maintain consistency in a comparo, its best if the same rider rides other bike too!

We don't believe magzines....

we dont believe magzine riders...(without knowing them)

we dont believe videos on the net

we dont believe........................................... ...........

So what we do is "Believe ourselves"....

and as far as I can say about both of these bikes....

Without getting into figures and stuff...
P220 is a blaster in terms of a straight-line drag...
It beats an R15 quite convincingly...

R15 is way too nimble for a p220 in corners and tracks...
and it beats a p220 even more convincingly ...!

Moreover there is a lot in both of these two bikes to look and admire rather than outright race/drag results....


Talking about the topic...

I dont have full faith in the news but I feel this is possible...!
and if this news is true...
than p200 goes obsolete for sure...and expect at least 2 bikes from bajaj (one this month and one in the times to come)
This is literally impossible that Bajaj would do without an FI in ther fleet...

There fleet would still be lead by an FI 'BIG' bike....!

even i kinda agree these 80 kilo uncles should'bt test ride these bikes .
they are just too old , slow and Fat to test ride and try to push a bike to limit especially the journalists.

after age of 31 the reflexes of humans start getting slower and slower
test your reflex here - http://www.happyhub.com/network/reflex/ .

The test was done by a magazine reporter only but incidently he is a racer too. Hence better figures.
Now, would you wanna read an article about say a Nissan GTR doing Q'tr mile in 15 secs coz the test reporter could not push its baalls out...when the same thing in the hands of the right driver can do a 12 secs flat. Which is the right verdict?
The reporters incapability to test should not reflect on the product.
3 yrs ago, Autocar did a speedtest feature of TVS factory drag bikes. The TVS Drag shaolin in the hands of M.S.Ravindra will do 14secs or lesser (depending on conditions), a bike which pumps 30bhp and mind you its a God damn peaky 2-stroke. One of the Autocar reporters rode the same bike and clocked 17.5secs in Qtr mile. The same reporter did 17 secs on the Drag Shogun which is approx 26bhp(coz it was less peaky). So was the underpowered bike faster or the rider incapable?
Its the same case with the R15 and p220. Peaky bikes have a way in which it has to be dealt. Any monkey can sit on a torque monster and the avg speeds will the same even if Rossi rode down a straight.

man it took me this long to watch the video....... its too good....... n see the smile on their faces....... it was too coollllllllllllllllllll..........


n from where all these uncles came....... posts are related to them....... what the moderators are doing........ these are also OT.......

ROTFL. I have this on a CD that I got along with an Overdrive issue.

Isnt that like giving the Bugatti Veyron to me and take my 0-60 Speed and call it the Cars top speed!
Ofcourse the usual riders would be similarly profiled, but then that isnt the Bikes performance, thats more of the riders skill...

A good result would be when we plonk in similarly skilled riders in similar conditions and rotate the bikes chosen! But who the heck does that!

Thats why I said all this need to go into a separate thread!!!!




Thats the video, arent they cute

Could you post its link here..!! Coz the one i saw was not that exciting...

Yup, i saw this only...and i also feel the same as Pranay..!

YouTube - Karizma Vs. Apache RTR Fi Vs. Pulsar 220 Fi

If you are talking about this one then these are obviously car guys riding bikes and giving opinions, IMO.

Ops .. in this case, all amongst me, old fox, B2L are uncles now.Might be some others too. But yeah, to us seconds don't matter until its about riding for life.

Yes.. please wait for right time. I am sorry about this.

Yes I wholeheartedly support Bajaj. Because of their genuine efforts.. likely you said.

But then Joel, doesn't these so called uncles () reflect the nearest real life scenario/riding habits/conditions better than professional racers..??

After all when these (publication) guys who make a living out of riding/testing these machines, can't match the expertise of launching a motorcycle, how can a 'biker next door' like me expect to do it properly.

Our bikes are ridden by guys all all sizes and weights. A consistent performer would be more acceptable in that case then righ?.

Moreover not all of these publication guys are the "uncle types", I know at least one journo who also happens to be one of the Best Rider out there in India.


For all practical purposes, most of us will have to subscribe to these magazine published figures.

Lolz! He meant Uncles who are 80-90 KG and do these test rides....

BTW Has anyone seen that YouTube Video of the P220 vs ZMA vs the RTR Fi shootout? Have look at them on the turns and the twists.... will make you sit up and react... Is this what I am referring to as Ride Reviews!

Do u mean... people between 80-90 or more weight are uncles ?

@Payeng - The magazine figures are always ridiculous. There is a variation of nearly a whole second for the R15. Damn!
Ok, in our case when tested it was by a racer who rides group D. The others are all tested aboard 80-90 kilo uncles. However i see that the p220 has been more consistent in performance, coz its got more CC. The R15 is more peaky and has to be lauched the right way to get the best results, else the P220 will crack it.
We have also track tested stock R15 and P220 down the 800mtrs straight at Kari Motor Speedway and the R15 was 2-3kph faster, right from acceleration. And none are lame uncles. All are riders/racers who are on their toes