Owing to less weight and better flickability the R15 will be faster on the turns. No doubt about it.

IMHO that feeling is due to the linear power delivery and downright usability. The difference lies in the later part of the powerband in any gear... whether it is acceleration or top whack... but we all ride for fun and not to prove which is faster right?

Come on. Its a free country and an open discussion forum. You can share it if you want to. Its YOUR opinion and it can be exactly the opposite of those of the others. There are people who dont like ducati's and ferrari's and lambo's, doesnt mean those machines are bad or the ones who dont like them have no taste. Its just their opinion. Something that excites one doesnt necessarily have to excite another. Do let us know more about the ride. Maybe you need to ride it once more on open roads where you can exploit the potential of the bike.

The ninja doesnt need to be revved very hard. Most riders tend to do that cos it's fun. Neither do you need to drop gears while overtaking. It has enough torque to overtake without downshifting... unless you want to make a really quick pass. A fact - in the city i have accelerated in 6th gear at 45kmph with absolutely no knocking in the engine.

The GC is also not an issue, so scraping the underside on potholes or speedbreakers is not going to happen unless you plan on off-road riding. Regarding cost of parts, yes, its expensive, thanks to the import duties (if it were localized, the prices would be much lower). So its like comparing apples and oranges if you compare parts of a ninja and the R15.

Some of us (me in particular) are wary of parking in a public place, with few exceptions like bluevolt who even parked in mantri mall on a weekend.

I wonder what makes you think the bike only is a good poser. The ninja is the best selling 250cc bike in the world. Well if the honda was available at the time the ninja was sold i would have bought the honda. Why? I would have got a "sportsbike" and saved some money. I ride sparingly and a bike that is slightly faster wouldnt make me shell out the extra hundred grand rupees. There is a bike that is faster than the one we currently ride but we dont go on upgrading for practical reasons right?

P.S. nothing personal bro.

For guys who are truly into their motorcycles, it is never a matter of how many cc's or torque a bike has, or how well or how bad it handles. They will love their bikes for whatever it is. If one thinks otherwise, then it was never about motorcycles, just keeping up with the Joneses.

I have a slow moving Electra 350 and I love that motorcycle, the way it feels alive when I ride it. I have a Ninja 250 and I love the way it makes a 800 km trip in a day ( I had two such days the past weekend) look like a walk in the park. I love the way it stopped in time instead of hitting the crazy pedestrian who literally jumped in front of me in Ratnagiri last Saturday. And I loved the way it ate up the curves in the enchantingly beautiful Danderi-Arsi forest.

Grow up guys.

This is a silly thread anyway - duh, of course the CBR 250 is going to sell more than the Ninja 250! Certainly at a lakh and a half. Nothing to intellectualize about, really.

Ninja 250R is a good bike but over priced...............CBR250R is the right bike with the right price.

Generally,CBR250R would address the needs of most of the population who seeks the 250cc segment for some good performance and big bike feel and it is much more affordable and would cater to a large number of potential customers with strict budget on their mind.People also would want bike which would be refined and does not require excessive revving to get to speeds soon.No one heads for the racetrack daily

Ninja 250R on the other hand is the kind of bike which revs till 11000rpm and may give a true 5-6kmph advantage at top speeds over a CBR250R in stock conditions.Ninja 250R despite being a twin,sports lower torque,so the CBR250R would accelerate at par with the Ninja,with the Ninja returning only2-3kmph more per gear and that too the Ninja250 develops its torque and power both at high rpms which indicates high revving............thus with such mild difference in performance which would be of no meaning to regular users,it would have a hard time to make customers shell out an extra 1.25lacs for itself.

Moreover,Ninja 250R had monopoly previously being the only 250cc vehicle available,now with an excellent and affordable option available in the market,the sales is really gonna take a hit.

Hence my opinion,the only way Ninja 250R sales can avoid take a hit is by bringing down the price by atleast 90,000 INR or 1lac INR.People who love extreme performance would be ready to shell out a few grands more for the Ninja.

Dyno is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

going a bit in reverse direction :
Suppose CBR 250 is already here for a year n now ninja is launched @ 1.25 lac more than cbr 250. Will it kill the sale of CBR 250.
Simply not. So think any way result is same.

it comes in Lime Green!


90,000 cheaper?
that would make it cheaper than the ABS CBR250R.

40-50 grand is seems realistic... and Bajaj might even consider it in a few months.

Pardon my knowledge,but does Ninja 250R sports ABS too ???

The ABS enabled CBR250R offers ABS for the money.........which makes more sense to Indian conditions,than the Ninja which offers six horses more. Also the OTR price of the total CBR250R package is still under speculations,hence its too early to decide.I only stayed on the safe side for the Ninja price.

Hence pricing of CBR would always find justification.

Even though I hope that even 50-60K drop in Ninja price OTR would make things easy for Ninja in the upcoming 250cc mart.
But then what I fear most that the only problem in lowering the Ninja price tag would then be Bajaj themselves,as they would also try to make space for their own in house product the upcoming Pulsar250 in the market........Bajaj then would always seek a price tag for both through which they would be widely separated and not marginally overlapped.

I think the best thing BAL can do is bring a 250 of their own to compete the CBR and import bigger NINJA's!or Kwacker should start local production.

A simple answer to the topic question, is that YES ninja sales will get affected but not by much or maybe alot (selling 1000 in a year is pretty niche and small in any case)...

What i dont seem to understand is when supposedly the cbr250r is priced at around 1.5l then surely it will eat into the sales of OTHER bikes which are around 1lakh, i.e. r15, zmr! plain logic! forget cc, torque, bhp and blah blah blah....cbr250r pricing around 1.5l will surely have a huge impact on r15, zmr and even enfields (targeting the same segment in terms of price range)!

I wouldnt like to draw parallels but the sales of ducatis are far lesser than any of the big 4 japanese bikes (1000cc or any other similiar competing cc's). ducatis are also more expensive when compared with the big 4 of japan but riders or enthusiasts who are after ducati will buy it no matter what, it doesnt mean one is better than the other but its the way the world works! there are always niche segments in every department and i firmly believe ninja will always be a niche bike in india!

p.s. i have a ninja and i love it and if the cbr250r was launched a year ago, i probably would've bought it and would've fallen in love with it! I i've hurt someones sentiments then introspect yourself as there is no need to get so personal!

Exactly the same points that I had made way back.

Ninja's 250R's 1000/year numbers are too niche and smal to make any difference to the CBR250R's sales. It's the R15 and the ZMR that could lose some good numbers due to the CBR250R.

The Ninja 250R numbers could get affected more by the Garware-Hyosung GT650R or the rumored Ninja 650R.

Oops...I took it personally
YouTube - WSMC Ninja 250R Cup Race November 16, 2008 at Willow Springs

What if BAJAJ suddenly decides to localize NINJA ?
Or bring it here in CKD ? (AS far as i know, its a CBU ? (Pardon me if its not ))

And if all these chops off the tag by a lakh or more, then what will happen to CBR250

The Ninja 250 comes in as CKD and gets assembled as Bajaj's Chakan facility. Internationally (read US) the Honda CBR 250 (I still cannot digest the CBR tag for this bike) is priced at par with the Kawasaki Ninja 250R.

The lower price tag in India is solely due to the CBR 250 being manufactured locally in India. But even if the Ninja 250 starts getting manufactured in India, it would be priced above the price tag of the CBR 250 due to it's parallel twin configuration engine (manufacturing which at the desired quality levels would have it's cost due to obvious reasons)

The CBR 250 will have higher sales figures than Ninja, simply because it has a price difference of about 1 Lac and more for a non-ABS version. IMO If I'm on a tight budget, Ninja's performance difference doesn't matter to me at this price tag and price difference!

So being a CKD, BAJAJ still has potential to localize some of the parts of NINJA, but keeping the quality levels intact.
And if it does so and still commands 30-50 grand more over the Cee Bee R 250, i would go for the NINJA.

(But still a 250 HONDA with ABS for under '200 thousand' is pretty yummy package )