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I think you should also consider ZMR here in this equation. It also has fairing, looks and is much much cheaper than both CBR and Ninja. For a shortfall of just 30 odd cc, you save 40k as compared to CBR. It works out to 1300 per cc.Originally posted by foruamit2004 View Postwhere is the market for N250? I can see only a very small % now -
1. Posers who like the look of N250 over CBr250 and have more than 3 lacs in pocket, but note that they will think thrice as CBR cost almost half with similar looks(sporty, fairing wise etc.).
2. A very enthusiast who can't sell out more that 4 lacs on upcoming 650cc, but can afford atleast 2 to 2.5 lacs easily or else he would also be inclined for a CBR after all money matters :P
PS: only for indian market.
Have you thought that there are people who -
a. do not want to buy bigger bike or
b. feel that that N650 or GT650 are not much better than N250 to justify price difference.Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.
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FOROriginally posted by trustvishwas View PostI think you should also consider ZMR here in this equation. It also has fairing, looks and is much much cheaper than both CBR and Ninja. For a shortfall of just 30 odd cc, you save 40k as compared to CBR. It works out to 1300 per cc.
Have you thought that there are people who -
a. do not want to buy bigger bike or
b. feel that that N650 or GT650 are not much better than N250 to justify price difference.
A. Again if not into bigger bikes than CBR should also suffice, considering the price difference for a logical person, but if want more power than why not a bigger bike? I mean one would consider N250 if he has lots lots of money and want a 250cc for learning and don't mind paying extra 1.3 lacs. For me I would mind that much if bike is a twin cylinder or not if it produces more or less same power with single cylinder and same fuel economy even if it is little higher in CC but priced almost 30% lesser(not exactly related to CBR but you get my idea? here CBR is almost half the price and only 20-23% less in power.
B. Normal assumption would be they are always better for what they are(power, if other things about bike are quite ok)
, removing the the obvious stuff such as mileage etc.
PS: My post count should tell how much I'm into bikes :P, these are just my thoughts.
EDIT: ZMR.. out of equation as to me it is a modded ZMA. May consider the R15 with fat tire and little power bump.
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Why a bigger bike everytime? Top speed in most western countries (leave alone Autobahn) is limited to 80 mph on highways, which works to 128 Kmph. Ninja 250R does cruise in 140 kmph. This is much more than sufficient on our roads. Anything above this standard is welcome with cost, otherwise Ninja 250R is more than sufficient & IS THE BENCHMARK.Originally posted by foruamit2004 View Postbut if want more power than why not a bigger bike?
If one has lots lots of money, they might go for Duc/HD/R1/Busa or anything that money can fetch. For that matter a Ninja 250R or a CBR 250R also!!!Originally posted by foruamit2004 View PostI mean one would consider N250 if he has lots lots of money
Last but not the least, buying a motorcycle is one time affair, but maintenance is for lifetime. Feeding, customizing & not to mention the morons in this country who're watching to damage your prized possession at a drop of a hat & maintenance of big motorcycles requires much more than a fat wallet. In all those aspects + the benchmarking aspects Ninja 250R gives best of both the worlds.Last edited by aargee; 01-29-2011, 12:50 AM.Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
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This is a great articulated post. More or less summarizes the cc warOriginally posted by aargee View PostWhy a bigger bike everytime? Top speed in most western countries (leave alone Autobahn) is limited to 80 mph on highways, which works to 128 Kmph. Ninja 250R does cruise in 140 kmph. This is much more than sufficient on our roads. Anything above this standard is welcome with cost, otherwise Ninja 250R is more than sufficient & IS THE BENCHMARK.
If one has lots lots of money, they might go for Duc/HD/R1/Busa or anything that money can fetch. For that matter a Ninja 250R or a CBR 250R also!!!
Last but not the least, buying a motorcycle is one time affair, but maintenance is for lifetime. Feeding, customizing & not to mention the morons in this country who're watching to damage your prized possession at a drop of a hat & maintenance of big motorcycles requires much more than a fat wallet. In all those aspects + the benchmarking aspects Ninja 250R gives best of both the worlds.Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. And most of them are full of shit.
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Am pretty confident that CBR 250 is going to eat Ninja for atleast in Numbers. 1.5 L is cheap for this bike when compared to R15 and ZMR. Thought the displacement of CBR and Ninja are the same, both are leauges apart. This bike will grab a lot of attention. Any one who want to buy an R15 or ZMR will have a better option at just 40k away. A common mans thought would be to get two CBR 250 for the price of one Ninja 250
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here are a few...Originally posted by sudeepnbr View PostCan someone help me clear my doubts? May be noob question.
Ninja is considered as the best 250cc in the world. I just want to understand, with whom does Ninja compete?
What are the other twin cylinder 250cc bikes available worldwide?
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+1; Welcome, welcome backOriginally posted by GP_freak View PostA common mans thought would be to get two CBR 250 for the price of one Ninja 250
. Hope everything has healed up. Looking fwd to see you back in action.
I was searching for this one very desperately to show this to some blokes here on what Kwacker 250R meant. Excellent. Thanks.Originally posted by xionite View Posthere are a few...Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day
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Except the Hoysung the rest of the bikes in comparison are crap, the Ninja 250R has a clear advantage.Originally posted by xionite View Post
The next couple of years are going to be very interesting, Yamaha is definitely coming up with a R series 250, knowing the peaky nature of yamaha bikes, and yamaha styling, I am sure the competition for the best 250 is gonna hot up.Last edited by bprags; 01-29-2011, 02:18 PM.
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all the bikes in the comparison barely come close to the N250R.Originally posted by aargee View PostI was searching for this one very desperately to show this to some blokes here on what Kwacker 250R meant. Excellent. Thanks.
in fact... taking into considering the other bikes in the link...
the CBR250R is definitely worthy of being the called the 2nd be st 250 of the lot.
haha... yea.Originally posted by bprags View PostExcept the Hoysung the rest of the bikes in comparison are crap, the Ninja 250R has a clear advantage.
an almost unfair advantage.
an R series 250 is prolly the only hope of there being a better 250cc than the N250R.Originally posted by bprags View PostThe next couple of years are going to be very interesting, Yamaha is definitely coming up with a R series 250, knowing the peaky nature of yamaha bikes, and yamaha styling, I am sure the competition for the best 250 is gonna hot up.
would definitely like to see Yamaha try..
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Is being quick in a straight line the only point to be being called the best bikeOriginally posted by xionite View Postall the bikes in the comparison barely come close to the N250R.
in fact... taking into considering the other bikes in the link...
the CBR250R is definitely worthy of being the called the 2nd be st 250 of the lot.
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Well I never expected a 26 BHP CBR to belt a 33BHP Ninja, not even in my dreams, 7 BHP is a huge difference, off course we have some very very optimistic bhpians here who think it can, even if shown a video
. The CBR is an allrounder, descent performance and FE and over all less maintenance.
Any ways found a video of drags between a Ninja250R and CBR250R, the Ninja wins a few drags as expected, but the CBR also wins a few. But the 2 stroke bike whips both these bikes
. Also once the bikes cross a certain speed, the Ninja I believe easily pulls away from the CBR, but nothing to be ashamed of for the CBR.
I hope this thread also does not get locked
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First of all the CBR250r riders will not be the ones with flip flops and without helmets, its the cheap pulsar and splender and passion owners. Coz seriously do we have a choice? only one 250 in india the ninja that too the major dissapointment apart from the console and price is bajaj backing up.. bajaj seriously sucks and ppl who own bajaj know it, they'll never agree though.Originally posted by tibby View PostThe Honda CBR250R will definitely win the numbers game. No doubts about that.
With the base variant of the CBR250R being available for almost half the price of the Ninja 250R, the difference in sales volumes will be much more than twice. A price difference of 1.2L (Ninja 250R: 2.7L ex-showroom, CBR250R: 1.5L ex-showroom) is a huge sum of money, & that is what will pull in more numbers for Honda.
Unfortunately, I foresee a lot of difference in (majority of) the kind of people riding both the bikes. The Ninja 250R will definitely have a more matured & enthusiast set of owners who understand the capabilities of the bike, while the Honda CBR250R will definitely be dotted with the poser kind of riders, riding helmetless & with flip-flops.
All said & done, the biking scene in India is definitely changing for good for the enthusiast rider. I'm waiting for the day when the import regulations will allow the 600s to enter our shores, or when the litre class bikes will become affordable (than they are now).
You just dropped a bomb.
Have you ridden the R15 (not in traffic that is), & what bike(s) are you comparing it with?
Bajaj has done enough to stop people from generalising about their service. I guess you should too.
The mechanics who service the Ninja have been trained specifically for it & I hear (& read) are very good at what they do. I don't think anyone on our forum has faced issues with servicing of their Ninja.
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The bike is yet to hit the roads and already it is faster than the ninja. When it actually hits the road it'll be even faster. Please dont overtake me. 


. That way everyone is happy, atleast I am

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