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  • Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Is being quick in a straight line the only point to be being called the best bike.
    not for me.

    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    Any ways found a video of drags between a Ninja250R and CBR250R, the Ninja wins a few drags as expected, but the CBR also wins a few.Also once the bikes cross a certain speed, the Ninja I believe easily pulls away from the CBR, but nothing to be ashamed of for the CBR.
    those start don't very convincing.

    so this vid doesn't really show which is quicker in a straight line. (tho i believe it's the N250R)

    Originally posted by bprags View Post
    But the 2 stroke bike whips both these bikes.
    four stroke. inline four.

    the 400RR is really quick. can prolly give a GT650R or a K650R a run for their money.
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    • Originally posted by Hyperion View Post
      Sales? What sales? A 1000 in a year? That too, after an initial flurry. Now its slowed to a crawl. The question we should ask is, how will it affect the sales of P220 and more likely the R15. I already see a lot of R15 owners moving to the CBR250.
      What advantages does it have over the Ninja as far as touring is concerned?

      Does it have better GC? Maybe slightly. But its still faired.

      Does it have a longer range? With a 13 (or is it 14) L tank, I dont see the range to be too great. I think the range on a full tank of petrol would be equal to the Ninja, if not worse.

      Lighting? Well I dont know the specs,but I expect it to be a 55W single halogen up front (please correct me if wrong), the Ninja has a more powerful setup here.

      Torque low down? Yes, this is a significant advantage that the CBR has over the Ninja.

      Riding Position? I think they are both the same.

      So I dont think the advantage is clear
      Completely agree with Hyperion, these small but very important points are the ones that will bother ppl after they buy their bikes.. The ppl who have booked the bike just hearing the name are big fools(no offence). only 13 litre tank, only 26bhp, only 27kmpl mileage is pathetic.. but since we don't have any option do we?? i mean ninja agar kharidna hota toh kabka khareed lete log. the only negative point about ninja compared to so many of cbr is bajaj backup, price and shitty analog console even not having fuel meter.. the only thing and the USP of honda cbr is the pricing, performance and everything else, ninja wins hands-down..
      and 150kmph top speed for 250.. i mean honda cbr150r is almost 150kmph 0r maybe more.. ninja 250 around 176.. and this only 150.. oh my god.. R15 with performance kits can give almost that much.. 150kmph for 250cc faired bike sucks.. its the cruisers and the naked bikes that have low speeds thats why i hate them..

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      • Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
        The ppl who have booked the bike just hearing the name are big fools(no offence).
        the bike's been launched for over a month in Thailand.
        and there are quite a few reviews online.

        most of the guys who've booked it have read a few reviews, seen a few vids,
        there are also a few comparisons charts out there.

        so no one's a "big fool."

        and putting no offence in brackets doesn't soften what u're trying to say.

        Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
        only 13 litre tank, only 26bhp, only 27kmpl mileage is pathetic..
        pathetic? at 1.5 lac it's a very good deal.

        Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
        and 150kmph top speed for 250.. i mean honda cbr150r is almost 150kmph 0r maybe more.. ninja 250 around 176.. and this only 150.. oh my god.. R15 with performance kits can give almost that much.. 150kmph for 250cc faired bike sucks.. its the cruisers and the naked bikes that have low speeds thats why i hate them..
        the CBR can do 140 for quite a while.

        try doing that to a R15 and then lemme know the mileage you get.

        so... based on your logic... lemme give it a shot...
        a stock makes R15 is 17PS... the CBR250R, 26BHP... at 40 grand more isn't that a superb deal?

        i mean... that's like a whole extra 9 bhp for 40 grand. (100cc extra included)
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        • Torque is not important here..those are the things that cruisers should bother about coz they don't have any power to match the bigger cc engines so they have some torque.. anyway these are sport bikes.. and if honda didn't want to give more power or not giving twin-cylinder and more power, they want to justify this is tourere not track-oriented,, just change the damn name call it vfr not cbr,, and it looks exactly like vfr not cbr and by the performance too it is more of a vfr--tourer with less bhp than cbr-racer-more bhp
          its quite simple.. we will compare cc vs cc.. only if it is not a different category bike like naked vs full faired vs tourer

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          • Originally posted by bprags View Post
            Is being quick in a straight line the only point to be being called the best bike.
            Well I never expected a 26 BHP CBR to belt a 33BHP Ninja, not even in my dreams, 7 BHP is a huge difference, off course we have some very very optimistic bhpians here who think it can, even if shown a video. The CBR is an allrounder, descent performance and FE and over all less maintenance.

            Any ways found a video of drags between a Ninja250R and CBR250R, the Ninja wins a few drags as expected, but the CBR also wins a few. But the 2 stroke bike whips both these bikes. Also once the bikes cross a certain speed, the Ninja I believe easily pulls away from the CBR, but nothing to be ashamed of for the CBR.

            I hope this thread also does not get locked.


            YouTube - CBR 400 RR(1992) VS NINJA 250 R(2011) VS CBR 250 R(2011) 150 M.

            PS:- I have booked the CBR, as it suits my requirements to the T.
            At 1:16, it's interesting to watch!!

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            • coolpras:- u don't like the cbr fine, for ur satisfaction, I say it is the worst 250cc. now plz stop repeating the same crap.

              u sound a lot like another guy, who got banned

              @xionite:- I agree most of the launches are bad, but what we know is that the ninja is clearly the quicker of the two, the cbr just does not revv enough.

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              • All bikes have PROS and CONS,its upto you "THE RIDER" what you want.Just don play ,blame games here.Respect all bikes,Biking community.Just buy what your heart says,don listen to anyone,its you who will be riding not others.

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                • Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
                  only 13 litre tank, only 26bhp, only 27kmpl mileage is pathetic.
                  Compared to the overall 30-35kmpl my RTR FI gives, it's a pretty good "AVERAGE" for a 250 CC 26 PS machine.

                  Stop cursing the CBR man, HONDA is here to make money, may be its not as sporty as NINJA, may be not as powerful, but its a good bike no doubt,and going by the number of bookings, it will make HONDA fill truck loads of money.
                  Last edited by rennycornelius; 01-29-2011, 06:08 PM.
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                  • TOPIC:
                    Will the CBR250 kill the Ninja 250R in sales?


                    My todays experience
                    I just happened to pass by the Aditya Honda showroom, and happened to pass by the sales counter, and happened to 'talk' to the 'experienced' staff about the bike.

                    The guy there says, it should be available by mid april for delivery. Though they were not ready to give that in writing. He said that the bike easily belts some 35 bhp which is close to the Ninja which belts 38bhp.

                    I said the Ninja belts a little lower than that, and its a slighlty different engine, to which he responds that this engine is almost like a copy of the Ninja and then corrected saying that its a copy of the CBR and so 35+ bhp wont be a problem for this bike.

                    I just happened to put the cheque book back in the bag, and said thank you and left!

                    They said they have some 15 bookings and asked why am I not booking one. I said I need time to think. The bike is too powerful for me

                    So for the conclusion

                    It might be a better VFM product, but the Honda sales and services are no where equipped to deal with this bike IMO. Atleast Yamaha had factory shops to service the big bikes at multiple locations and that gave us some confidence, I am not sure if Honda has them either! More so the arrogance is super annoying!
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                    • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                      TOPIC:
                      Will the CBR250 kill the Ninja 250R in sales?


                      My todays experience
                      I just happened to pass by the Aditya Honda showroom, and happened to pass by the sales counter, and happened to 'talk' to the 'experienced' staff about the bike.

                      The guy there says, it should be available by mid april for delivery. Though they were not ready to give that in writing. He said that the bike easily belts some 35 bhp which is close to the Ninja which belts 38bhp.

                      I said the Ninja belts a little lower than that, and its a slighlty different engine, to which he responds that this engine is almost like a copy of the Ninja and then corrected saying that its a copy of the CBR and so 35+ bhp wont be a problem for this bike.

                      I just happened to put the cheque book back in the bag, and said thank you and left!

                      They said they have some 15 bookings and asked why am I not booking one. I said I need time to think. The bike is too powerful for me

                      So for the conclusion

                      It might be a better VFM product, but the Honda sales and services are no where equipped to deal with this bike IMO. Atleast Yamaha had factory shops to service the big bikes at multiple locations and that gave us some confidence, I am not sure if Honda has them either! More so the arrogance is super annoying!
                      Going by the "wikipedia goes crying" knowledge thay have about their new product, i should kiss HONDA showroom here and taste some.
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                      • ^^Dont get surprised if you come across explanations that it's a copy of the 1000RR sans-3 cylinders!!

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                        • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
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                          He said that the bike easily belts some 35 bhp which is close to the Ninja which belts 38bhp.
                          WHAAAT??? Satyen, is that guy sure? I hope he didn't pick a number from thin air & we all know the kind of knowledge about an average sales/service person in an A.S.S in this country. I hope its not one like that.

                          PS - But how did he get 38 for Ninja 250R

                          Originally posted by xionite View Post
                          all the bikes in the comparison barely come close to the N250R.
                          Exactly & no wonder Ninja 250R is the best selling 250 cc in the world

                          Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
                          The ppl who have booked the bike just hearing the name are big fools(no offence)
                          Oh!!! is it? How do you say so that only fools have booked CBR250? Appreciate a positive explanation.

                          Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
                          only 13 litre tank, only 26bhp, only 27kmpl mileage is pathetic..
                          Ok, so could you suggest what would be the "ideal" configuration pls?

                          Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
                          the only negative point about ninja compared to so many of cbr is bajaj backup, price and shitty analog console even not having fuel meter..
                          Err...I agree Ninja tops on all what you said, but how does BAL's backup is counted as negative? So, what would've been an ideal backup?

                          Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
                          aR15 with performance kits can give almost that much..
                          Wow!!! are you saying YMIS R15 race kits are capable of boosting R15 to 150 Kmph? Are you sure? If its true, then Joel might've reinvented the wheel

                          Originally posted by coolpras26 View Post
                          its the cruisers and the naked bikes that have low speeds thats why i hate them..
                          Isn't this a CBR250 & Ninja 250R discussion forum? Why bring a Cruiser or Naked bike into picture? Anyway, IMO, a stock V-Rod (I hope you agree it to be cruiser ) can very well do 120 mph, are you saying that's still slower?

                          Originally posted by coolpras26
                          Offence meant and i hope i am being rude....
                          wat the hell do you mean by rx was creaming the bigger bikes like R1.. in the worlds most stupid, small and worst so called track
                          Buddy, watch your language, this is no way to talk in a public forum, especially when its read by the whole world & that shows your attitude!!!

                          Originally posted by coolpras26
                          chennai track.. who's interested..
                          Probably no one is interested & that's why its surviving till date. BTW, what're the flaws that you see in MMSC track?

                          Originally posted by coolpras26
                          that way i have beaten so many p220 and R15 with my bajaj saffire gearless scooter less than 100cc.. now say something...
                          Err...what're you trying to say

                          PS - BTW, what do you ride?

                          Originally posted by n_aditya
                          First, mind your language !!!
                          Well, I think that's his attitude, see the language on another post - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/art-safe...tml#post570275

                          Originally posted by n_aditya
                          Your saffire creamed 220's and R15's? Maybe like u said, anybody can be a bigger fish in the worlds smallest pond, your saffire was the big fish on a small road (or footpath !!!).
                          Lol , nice one Adi
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                          • When I went to book the CBR, the sales guy came to explain, I just told him to stop and asked him to take the booking amount instead, I was out of the showroom in 5 mins, no point talking to the sales guys.

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                            • Originally posted by bprags View Post
                              When I went to book the CBR, the sales guy came to explain, I just told him to stop and asked him to take the booking amount instead, I was out of the showroom in 5 mins, no point talking to the sales guys.
                              +1.

                              I've written somewhere earler that the net savvy folks like the members here know much more than the salesfolks and its best to leave it that. In my case, atleast the salesguy was honest enough to say he doesn't have any details whatsoever and will try to fetch something by Feb. Agree that some training would have helped, but its not a dealbreaker IMO
                              Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. And most of them are full of shit.

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                              • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
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                                The guy there says, it should be available by mid april for delivery. Though they were not ready to give that in writing. He said that the bike easily belts some 35 bhp which is close to the Ninja which belts 38bhp.

                                I said the Ninja belts a little lower than that, and its a slighlty different engine, to which he responds that this engine is almost like a copy of the Ninja and then corrected saying that its a copy of the CBR and so 35+ bhp wont be a problem for this bike.

                                I just happened to put the cheque book back in the bag, and said thank you and left!

                                They said they have some 15 bookings and asked why am I not booking one. I said I need time to think. The bike is too powerful for me
                                Oh man. So the service centers don't have enough knowledge on the bike themselves. What about the 15 bookings ? Dint they know anything also or was he just trying hard to increase sales ?? anyways there are a lot of such people in the service centers who don't know the specs and details of the top end vehicles of their company..!!! Its really annoying at times. So i'm guessing the after sales service of that showroom will also be similar...!!!
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