ouch.. glad your ok man... heal up, replace plastics .. get back on the saddle..

no frame sliders?

Did this happen on the Mutha ghats or had you started ascending the Lavasa ghat (after the Temghar dam)? Since you say the tyres must have been cold, I am guessing it was the Mutha ghats.
How did you get the bike back to town?

This unsettles the bike and is a sure shot recipe for disaster.

This isn't as serious and hasn't given me any anxious moments as of now.
Dunno how much sensitive the tires are on when they are cold & pressure is less, so I will shut up here.

Err, its the truth and if I do crash, I will remember this line

Get the bike up & running. Is the 600 around? You can ride her and go through that corner as many times as you can, shall be of immense help I tell you.

Hope your 1000RR would be fine soon, take-care and sleep well

Watch Moto-GP now

No this happned at lavasa. The same corner where one usually gets ones pictures clicked. That was the biggest surprise..not a very difficult corner at all...a corner which I must have taken atleast 100 times till now..a corner where I have been way faster than when the crash happened.

I said the tyres could have been cold as a probability. This was because as soon as we reached the gates of Lavasa we stopped for a good 30 mins for breakfast at that schack you know near the main gate of the city. The crash happened after breakfast. But I cannot really be sure if the tyre was cold as I was getting enough grip when I lapped the loop for the first time. Temperatures were not cold that morning either..infact we were found complaining to each other that it was unsuallly warm that morning.

Not to sound like a superman but this is the most serious and common cause for a front washout. Roughly 80% of front washouts are due to trail braking. If CSS finds you are trail braking and they know you aint a racer they will black flag you insta. Trail braking will not make you anxious as it never tells you when the front will wash out. It happens even quicker than when you wash out your front due to uneven throttle input.
You need trail braking in a very high level competitive environment where you have to go in fast and come out fast to get your paycheck. On the track, on streets, or even in club level races its better to go in slow and come out fast.
If you find yourself in need of feathering the front brakes every single time you enter a corner it could be a bad habit or it could simply mean you are charging the turns.
There can be no excuse for trail-braking at our level.

P.S : Hayden was so mad at himself. So was I at him...he almost had Rossi there.

I let go the front brakes when I hit the apex, its simply 'feathering' the rear brakes.

But then you got me worried saying that it in unpredictable and you won't even know when I would low-side.

Need to be more careful henceforth.
^Won't trail if I attend CSS

The boy is a sport, I am sure he is disappointed with himself and wants to kick Vale in his balls for the move, but then he is being diplomatically correct on the record and this is where you earn your fans.
Respect for his spirit.

I can vouch for that There really is no warning whatsoever, even tyres that howl under normal cornering tend to stay quiet under braking, not sure what's up with that, and worse, you fall really hard.

Trail braking on the street is just silly

I can understand the agonizing hours of self deliberation after a crash. Been there myself but luckily not on the Ninja.

Hope you and your bike are fixed soon and you are ready to ride again.

"Its not IF you will crash..its WHEN you will crash...." I quote these lines a lot to my non riders friend who try to scare be with crashes.... Its part of the deal our Steeds bring in.

Ride safe.

For the benefit of others and all in the interest of "keeping the rubber side down" I am posting here excerpts of my communication with a fellow biker and what he had to say about my crash after I briefed him about what had happened. He didnt see me crashing so he is guessing through his experience alone and he himself points out that he can be wrong. He worked for California Superbike School changing tyres for them and got free supervised laps at the end, which is something, so I keep pestering him for inputs. Hence the copy paste !
(He goes by the name csgup1 on xBHP !)

"....There are always a few reasons behind the crash. Losing the front is the final cause but you need to think about what you did wrong and why you did it. From what ive seen the stock tyres are the biggest issue. Even good road tyres like pilot powers will struggle after 5000 clicks becasue they lose their shape. your rear was probably squared off which made the bike fall into the corner and keep changing lines and cause you to constantly put steering inputs in. you arent the first person I know to crash becasue of OEM tyres.

having said that , the tyres were part issue, there are probably a few things in your riding style that caused the crash. havent seen you ride so cant comment on that. but if youve got chicken strips you definitely didnt crash becasue of too much lean angle. even on oem tyres you can still easily drag a knee. The problem comes when you get on the throttle too hard. If you get on the throttle too hard , leaned over too much, you will lose the back , and becasue of the lean angle you will lose the front. I know coz Ive done that and had a pretty big off.....

....I dont think lowering the pressure a tad is the reason for your washout. Its part tyre condition, part rider error and they are linked together. I have seen poeple ride on 5 year old tyres hard as plastic drag pegs and hold the bike up with their knee. thats what happens after 20 years of practise. So if the same thing happened after 5 years of riding, you probably wouldnt have crashed. its just a hard way to learn. "

hey man,

sorry to hear about you going down. The first thing that came to my mind was the same thing your instructor said to you.."its not how....its when" have heard that from a lot of folks.
But i am glad you came out of it safe and took it in stride. And most of all, you shared the whole ordeal and penned it down for all of us down here. Hopefully you get up to speed soon and get to fix her up. Go back out there and own that turn brother.

Peace

@Tenhut/Rohan first of all i hope ur bones are in perfect shape..
so far what u said/typed From that it is clear that u had a Low side. but the question is why ur front was loaded that much,which caused the bike a low side . so far as u said b4,there are only 2 things which can cause a low side which is
1st trail braking which u didn't do,so that's out of the Picture.
2nd steering correction which includes rolling off the throttle and correcting the lines which i believe is what u did but,why one need's steering corrections in a corner when his entry speed is not that fast???
that's the biggest question.
so my Observation about the crash(Hypothetically)
First of all. bro,i believe the hole drama started from the previous right hander only(Just before final corner of lavasa i.e our Dragons Tail!) .i think ur exit speed from that right hander wud have been a little more then the usual.which may have cause u to turn in early causing u to be on the lines which u weren't comfortable..so in the end u end up doing steering corrections and then causing a chain of mistakes which one shudnt do! and ended up as low side.....the reason why i though this is bcoz
1st of all the distance between both the corners is very less and with more exit speed and less time. one finds difficult to get his lines right.
2nd of all the corner which u crash is the best corner on lavasa! its a corner where i used to do insane lean angles
so i think its the entry which shud have messed everything up for u.

^though i may be wrong about this as it is just an assumption. as, i wasn't present over there.

tc man and let me know what do u think about this

Hey TenHut ... Mate I hope you are okay.

I will answer your question highlighted in blue ! Why does one need steering corrections in a corner if one is not hot in the corner ?
Entry was slow and although I was trying to quick flick I couldnt quick flick because I was slow.
Any bike/Any front gets loaded way more when your steering is slow than when you steer quick. Quick flicks ensure that the front doesnt load up much. That is another advantage of quick flick other than the usual advantage of carrying more speed at lesser lean as you square off the corner with a quickflick.

Now for the speed I was carrying had I steered lazily I would have made it through the corner. But I came in slow...quickflicked the bike...the low speeds did not warrant quickflick.(to quick flick you also need quick speed)
So I quickflick..realise that I am falling to the inside way too fast...so I pick up the bike again by countersteering and lean it back again with throttle off.
...steering with throttle off...was most prolly the cause for loading the front like there were no tomrrow.

Thanks for trying to help me analyse the mistake.
Entering hot and turning in early and messing up the entry will also cause front to be loaded but that can be taken care of by being on the throttle to load the rear. But that wasnt the scenario for the crash at hand.
Another thing I learnt out of this is...if you arent riding quick enough..please dont quick flick the bike...the bike will fall to the inside of the corner at an alarming rate and that will make you commit mid corner steering corrections. And if you have been on the throttle while doing all this then its fine...if not you are kissing the tarmac.

If I were going in hot I would remember panicking...thats the first thing that happens to any rider (amateur or expert) when the rider is going in hot. An amateur will trigger his survival reactions upsetting the bike more while the expert will lean more and add more throttle when in doubt. But panic they both will.

Yo man...I am raring to get the bike back on its feet again and the first thing I am gonna do when its done is take her to the same corner again and ride it out untill I sort it out with the corner.

Thanks dude ! peace !

No injuries on me whatsoever...leathers are a blessing to all of us
Thanks !

Curious to know how u got back the bike?

seriously, i am a total noob when it comes to many of the terms used above and before....
like coming hot, loading the front, quick flick ?, etc etc...
is there a simpler explanation for how you fell ?
need a guide please...

^^ coming hot - coming fast, for the rest terms, even I dunno ! TH please help