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  • #46
    Originally posted by dafc View Post
    There is no need of adding 2t into petrol as long as you are not revving your motor to the moon. Plus like I said you'll get to know the condition of your pump in 1 or 2 mins no harm done in that time.
    i am not asking about adding oil in petrol...i am asking whether i have to add oil in the oil chamber from where autolube pump takes oil!!i should add rite?? if yes how much for just checking???
    Rx is a Phoenix!!! It always rise from ashes!!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by dpak89 View Post
      i am not asking about adding oil in petrol...i am asking whether i have to add oil in the oil chamber from where autolube pump takes oil!!i should add rite?? if yes how much for just checking???
      You haven't added any oil in the side tank? At all? I mean is it totally empty? Or there is some oil in it? If yes then just top it up a bit like just about half or something. if you haven't well then you should check the feeder pipe for clogs or something. Mine was totally gunked up with dirt and leaves (I dunno how they got there lol!). Make sure everything is clear and then proceed to check the pump
      RIP ਕਾਕਾ ਭੈਣੀਆਂਵਾਲਾ (Santokh Singh Rataurh)

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      • #48
        Originally posted by dafc View Post
        You haven't added any oil in the side tank? At all? I mean is it totally empty? Or there is some oil in it? If yes then just top it up a bit like just about half or something. if you haven't well then you should check the feeder pipe for clogs or something. Mine was totally gunked up with dirt and leaves (I dunno how they got there lol!). Make sure everything is clear and then proceed to check the pump
        lol!!! bro mine is empty for more then a year !! even i have to check for leaves and dirt !! i will do it and post d pics!!
        Rx is a Phoenix!!! It always rise from ashes!!

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        • #49
          ok guys.... the bad news is that the pump s not workin.. the good news is that i checked it myself thanks to dpak89.. you rock bro....!!! My mech checked the pump status in some different way... he first removed the case where the pump is seated(i guess that s the cranck case.) he did pull out the wire as told by dpak.. started the bike, put it to idle and reved it and showed me some movement in the crankcase that was not happening.. some disk like rings needed to go front and back as the engine was revved, but that didnt happen..
          Anyways, now i need to get a new pump.. I did check at some of the automobile shops around my area but with no luck...
          Can any of you guys tell me where can i find one in bangalore.... and also how much would the pump cost me.... ?

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          • #50
            Raghu Oil Pumps are available in bangalore,give them a search

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            • #51
              @Raghu, IMO, just ditch the oil pump & enter into the world of premix. There're so many ppl selling parts & making more than 200% profit because of the heavy demand. Since you've an alternative, start searching for it very relaxed & until then start using premix.
              Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
              Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
              ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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              • #52
                hey aargee... right now i am using the premix, i have no issues using the premix, but the issues/concerns i have are
                i am not very certain that using the premix for huge qty of petrol will give the right mixture, i dont want to keep filling a litre or two every 2/3 days. I want to fill up the tank or atleast half of it and go to the fuel station only once a fortnight. I am not sure if this is feasable using the premix

                secondly, for the premix, i use the 2t oil available at the fuel station, i am not comfortable(rather lazy and absentminded) buying a litre of 2t oil and pouring it into the tank myself. So im sure i ll forget most of the time to fill in the 2t oil if i buy and have to fill it in myself..

                Considering the above points, dont you thing its best for me to fix the oil pump.....

                Or do you have any better solutions, like assuring me that 5ltrs or petrol and 100ml of oil in the tank at one shot will do its job fine and not cause me any problems....

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by raghu_shekar View Post
                  i am not very certain...is feasable using the premix
                  Hmmm...I visit the fuel station every Sunday night to avoid crowd & get a tank full to last one whole week.

                  I stock up one or two litres of Shell 2T oil once in a month or two so that I don't run out of stock as well as price protection . I use a measuring jar to mix the oil.

                  I've been following the above practice for more than a year now & haven't faced any issues. I read the plugs every month to see if my mix is right. If its too oily, I reduce the mix ratio, but never have gone below 25%.

                  Originally posted by raghu_shekar View Post
                  secondly, for the premix, i use...and have to fill it in myself..
                  Never ever use the 2T oil in the fuel station. I've personally witnessed that these buggers reuse the left over oils to refill (the left over in sachets in a bucket) sometimes.

                  Last but not the least, if you're lazy, no one can save you & your life for sure. Sry to say, but this is a fact!!!

                  Originally posted by raghu_shekar View Post
                  Considering the above points, dont you thing its best for me to fix the oil pump....
                  You're very right, if the oil pump doesn't work & if one is lazy, then certainly fixing oil pump is the best option.

                  Originally posted by raghu_shekar View Post
                  Or do you have any better solutions,...not cause me any problems....
                  Like I said above, I fill upto 9 lts in one go & mix about 230-250 ml in one go & keep riding for a week without having to open up the tank anywhere. If you're so skeptical, you can additionally stock about 2-3 lts of fuel in a plastic can, cover it up with a plastic sheet & close the cap & store it in cool place to prevent it from evaporating.
                  Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
                  Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                  ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by raghu_shekar View Post
                    ok guys.... the bad news is that the pump s not workin.. the good news is that i checked it myself thanks to dpak89.. you rock bro....!!! My mech checked the pump status in some different way... he first removed the case where the pump is seated(i guess that s the cranck case.) he did pull out the wire as told by dpak.. started the bike, put it to idle and reved it and showed me some movement in the crankcase that was not happening.. some disk like rings needed to go front and back as the engine was revved, but that didnt happen..
                    Anyways, now i need to get a new pump.. I did check at some of the automobile shops around my area but with no luck...
                    Can any of you guys tell me where can i find one in bangalore.... and also how much would the pump cost me.... ?
                    lol!! bro say thanks to DAFC and aargee!!! they are more experienced people who cleared all our doubts!!! i just ask questions(for which engineers are trained these days in all their 4 years )!!
                    Rx is a Phoenix!!! It always rise from ashes!!

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                    • #55
                      I fill upto 9 lts in one go & mix about 230-250 ml in one go & keep riding for a week without having to open up the tank anywhere.
                      Hmmm... i can give this a shot.... Atleast until im able to find an oil pump in the market...
                      I googled and did not find one successful hit... atleast not in bangalore.. Anyone aware of it, pls let me know... Also pls let me know, how much would a pump cost, approx.... dont want to get duped if i find one...

                      Last but not the least, if you're lazy, no one can save you & your life for sure. Sry to say, but this is a fact!!!
                      c'mon dude... you are taking the literal meaning out of it... But thnx for the warning/advice...


                      @arvind
                      Raghu Oil Pumps are available in bangalore,give them a search
                      I searched with no success... Please let me know if you are aware of any

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                      • #56
                        @ raghu.. post a video or pic of whats exactly not working on the pump. [ disc??] and yes a new pump can still be sourced.
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                        • #57
                          Guys the thing about premix is you will never get the power like you get from the injector/pump. With premix you are actually running lean when you are running on low RPMS that's why your RX feels like it is bogging down and shit like that initially and then just springs up to life as the RPMS move towards the red line. The thing with the injector is it varies the 2t oil as the RPMS shift. I have personally felt the difference. Plus the spooging is the testament that you are just wasting the 2t oil and petrol as they are just expelled out of the chamber without proper combustion get the injector and FEEL the difference
                          RIP ਕਾਕਾ ਭੈਣੀਆਂਵਾਲਾ (Santokh Singh Rataurh)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by dafc View Post
                            Guys the thing about premix is you will never get the power like you get from the injector/pump. With premix you are actually running lean when you are running on low RPMS that's why your RX feels like it is bogging down and shit like that initially and then just springs up to life as the RPMS move towards the red line. The thing with the injector is it varies the 2t oil as the RPMS shift. I have personally felt the difference. Plus the spooging is the testament that you are just wasting the 2t oil and petrol as they are just expelled out of the chamber without proper combustion get the injector and FEEL the difference
                            I do agree your point of using oil pump. However, there is a slight difference in the way we need to look at this point of discussion.

                            We are recommended to mix 30ml of oil for every litre of petrol while fueling which is 3%. That being said, the engine is never short of oil during the run.

                            Another point is that, yes, if you happen to take it for a long rides, then would suggest you to increase the quantity from 30ml to40-50ml.
                            If oil pump is working, this would do the calibration accordingly. However, still I would not discount the use of pre-mix.
                            RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                            2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                              I do agree your point of using oil pump. However, there is a slight difference in the way we need to look at this point of discussion.

                              We are recommended to mix 30ml of oil for every litre of petrol while fueling which is 3%. That being said, the engine is never short of oil during the run.

                              Another point is that, yes, if you happen to take it for a long rides, then would suggest you to increase the quantity from 30ml to40-50ml.
                              If oil pump is working, this would do the calibration accordingly. However, still I would not discount the use of pre-mix.
                              If you increase the quantity of oil you are impairing proper combustion are you sure you want to do that? All the 2 stroke forums out there recommend that you should stick with the premix ratio AS RECOMMENDED by your manufacturer to get the most out of your motor. If you are mixing more oil you are going to glaze the piston and the liner are you sure you want to do that as well? Like purposely mess with the hydroplane that your rings ride on? All you need is the right amount of oil to keep the pool in the crankshaft replenished and I think the oil pump does a damn good job. If you premix more oil you will have to upjet to get the right AFR otherwise you WILL have problems in the long run.
                              RIP ਕਾਕਾ ਭੈਣੀਆਂਵਾਲਾ (Santokh Singh Rataurh)

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by dafc View Post
                                If you increase the quantity of oil you are impairing proper combustion are you sure you want to do that? All the 2 stroke forums out there recommend that you should stick with the premix ratio AS RECOMMENDED by your manufacturer to get the most out of your motor. If you are mixing more oil you are going to glaze the piston and the liner are you sure you want to do that as well? Like purposely mess with the hydroplane that your rings ride on? All you need is the right amount of oil to keep the pool in the crankshaft replenished and I think the oil pump does a damn good job. If you premix more oil you will have to upjet to get the right AFR otherwise you WILL have problems in the long run.
                                By adding 10ml of oil not change the total equation. It would help in reducing the possible cease at high revs.

                                I guess you have seen my plug reading post sometime back. It's rusty brown and have confirmed that the bike is running good and not lean/rich.

                                Also, I have not faced any major issues in the past by adding extra quantity of oil when I did some rides. This is my practical experience.

                                Some people may lower to the oil quantity to reduce the smoke emitted. The fun part is they don't realize the aftermath of such attempts.

                                It will be unthinkable when the oil pump stops working during long rides and facing the consequences.

                                I used to be a oil pump believer. However, after hearing many stories and the current situation of RX spares available out there in the market had left me to change to premix.

                                Now, I always mix 3% oil for every liter and I'm having peace of mind.
                                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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