Good to see 2 strokers sharing their enthusiasm in this thread

Guys, why don't we list out some unique aspects of our steeds.

kb100 can help shed light more about the lineage & technical marvels of the KB series.

I will post whatever I have know about the Suzukis.

And I'll leave it for the several RX owners here at Xbhp to enlighten about the glorious RX series.

To start with, the Shogun came up with a lot of 'firsts' in the country (as follows):

1) All black scheme
2) Electronic based Tachometer
3) Tricone Megaphonic Racing Silencer (as TVS called it)
4) High revving bike (revs to 11k with ease in stock )
5) High power to weight ratio in its class (~136 bhp/ton)
6) Fibre based clutch plates came as stock components
7) First to get a catalytic converter after its relaunch in 1996
8) Semi ported engine from factory (need more info about this)
9) 'High Sprint' gearbox favouring Low End Torque

That is it for now ppl......

Welcoming more 2 strokers to share info about their screamers...

Cheers,
Karthik.

Hi guys

Have been reading this thread all along. Anyways I understood half and was blinking over some technical talks. I've just come out of school. So guess I'll learn a lot here itself before moving to college(auto eng).

Since my childhood I've been fond of cars and then suddenly adolescence pulled me into 2-wheelers also. I got my KB100RTZ(1991) from my uncle. All my dudes got their new high cc 4-strokeys whereas I was still not able to make a decision if I should also go for one. The reason was simply....I fell in love with my bike.

And thus owning a 2t made me closer to the world of 2 strokes. And now I am able to learn so much. Thanks to the thread starter karthik.

Well about my bike. I feel it's too fast for me to talk about the + and - of my bike since I've done only 2187kms!!! Upto what I've experienced. It is fast machine which also handles like no other 100cc. In terms of perfomance I would say it is only a tad slower to the legendary RX100.
I don't have any idea why this legend disappeared suddenly since I belong to youngest category of XBHP.

Well if I had to to ask a technical aspect...guess you all know that KB's have very short gear shifts. It does 60kmph @ 4500rpm. And the power band lies beyond 5500rpm I believe.
So does this mean KB's are not much relaxed at higher speeds(say 75+)?

And yes I too have seen the supra once. There is a video in youtube check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSwywZe_ZH0Hi

@coolkar.........yes even I have got the original 95' Shogun..........but I am now thinking of pumping some 17PS out of it.......problem is I am lacking technology.I seriously want to know what kind of work was done on SupraSS 98cc 16bhp,and Shadow 140cc(Shaolin) 16bhp.....to have those powerbumps.
I have already considered the following:
1.Dual stage fibre reed valves
2.NGK Irridium set complete with power coil.
3.KN air filter on direct carb fit.
4.RX135 Bent Pipe fused with the original catconless 95'Megaphonic exhaust...........now that would be a exhaust port widening,as RX had wider bent pipes.
5.Since this bike had just '5 clicks up the ton'(I did 112) top speed,so a 13/40 setup instead of 13/44 setup........for some genuinely bigger top end..
Rest of the things are as original as the 95' machine..........stock shogun piston and cylinder,jap carb,stock original clutch plates.I dont know how this machine will go about after this..............but thats my bike.....all suggestions are welcome

@harishkumar........we really lack tech info on the Supra SS as shown in the Youtube vid.......it has analog console exactly like Shogun's.

As far as I have 'heard' from Suzuki followers, the Supra SS (Silver Street) differs in its Primary Reduction & Gear ratios. The Supra Power Up (11.2bhp) didn't set the market on fire cause it lost to the RX in the initial though Supra gained momentum in the Top End. I had been seein a Supra near my home for the past one week. One thing I observed in it is that the reed valve is same as that of AX 100/Samurai's (smaller than those of Shogun & RXs).

So Supra SS should have obviously been a heavily ported 98cc motor according to motorcross setup to have bestowed with 16 hp (with . Supra SS was realised by TVS rally team during the early 90s.

@macho50:

Great to see another Shogunite on board !

Brother, whats the motive of your would-be-17 PS Shogun?

Street? Drag? Motorsport?

You had mentioned considering a KN filter. What about the carb? Same carb? try getting hands on Mikuni VM 26 bro. The result will not disappoint you.

I had tried Iridium plugs on my Shogun before, didn't work out. Ended up fouling due to oil deposit.

Rest for your points will definitely help on your road to achieve 17 PS, though, you will be needing the expertise of a good tuner. Try contacting Xbhp's finest.

btw are you considering a port job?

As far as Suzuki Shadow is concerned, Joel is the person to be approached as he had used one.

Good Luck. Ride Safe.

@coolkar;u forgot about the plasma coated piston wth steel piston rings and the 7port torque induction

@mach50;i havent finished yet then came the shogun and then the shogun ss...(overdrive issue june 2003) , do not reduce the rear teeth by 4 go for 13/42 first ,u seem hopelessly smitten by the shogun i have an article on shogun that came in the same issue ,if u want it give me ur email id and ill send it over

Thanks for your suggestions brother........its awesome to have you suggesting me some real mods.

I require a 17PS streetbike........which would only be used for regular riding...by which I mean very fast riding,highway riding...........long hours of riding at high speeds.I feel that a power delivery and top speed like or better than the first generation Karizma will be enough for me from a 110cc 2t legend.No drags or stunt issues for me...dragging kills Shoguns fast,very fast....I dont want to kill my Bike.....I love it.

Yes I was contemplating a mild port job.........very mild,using the RX135's bent pipe...which means a bit widening of the exhaust port.

Next is Carburetor.........Suzuki GS150R uses BS26.....would I use it ??? Now question is...would my Shogun take the air feed and fuel flow of a EURO3 compliant vehicle carb properly ???
And going by your suggestion........which vehicle uses Mikuni VM26(Enfileds??)??? where shall I find it ???

Joel is busy racing......its racing season........would be available few days later

@KB100........u have PM quoting my email address thanks

I think they were used for engine longevity......instead of power bump.....or in order to handle the power bump.Things like this keeps engine cool.Shadow was an out of this vehicle.........I am cursed not to ride it......If only they had released it out in the market.......would have traded the Shogun for that .

check ur mail mach50

I dint receive anything !!!!!!!! I mean no mail from you !!!

VM26 is not used in any Indian 2-Strokes, its used in RX-K. The Indian RX135 uses VM22. My RX135 4-Speed is running on VM24 & RX135 5-Speed is on VM26.

Then I think opting for the RX135 carb is the better option..........since my Shogun would still be 110cc, and I seriously think without a bigger cc,26mm would be an overkill and the engine would bog down under heavy fuel load along with the spark plug.Transition from VM20 to VM22 seems ideal and an optimizing one.

Yes buddy, higher size carb is recommened for higher powered engines. Its not just the CC, but its the BHP which makes the difference.

RX135 & RX-K are both 132CC engines, but different carb sizes owing to different BHP figures (14 & 18 respectively). So Indian RX 135s if ported & modified to make around 16-18BHP then it makes sense to fit in a bigger size carb. As an ex., a stock RX 135 4-Speeder with VM26 is an overkill for sure.

The drag setup RX's run with even bigger carbs & most often without any Air-filters. My Friend's drag RX135 had last recorded a true 151Kmph & quite frankly he doesn't recommend anything beyond VM26 for street use RX series. The FE also reduces.

Try Iridium plugs as well, they do work provided oil mixture & gap setting is in control. I am using Iridium IX on my 5-Speeder with Agip Fully synthetic oil for last 2Yrs & No issues till date.

Let me know if you need any help on your Shogun.

Sure ............
just suggest me somethings that would help me in this way

"I require a 17PS streetbike........which would only be used for regular riding...by which I mean very fast riding,highway riding...........long hours of riding at high speeds.I feel that a power delivery and top speed like or better than the first generation Karizma will be enough for me from a 110cc 2t legend."

If 17PS sounds optimistic then 16PS will do............power to weight would make up.But I need to bump its power up.

First thing that came to my mind - Apache RTR 180 (esp White color); then I thought of ZMR/A (not sure if its 17PS), but its very comfortable.

I assume you are talking about modifying your existing 14BHP shogun to 16-17BHP. Porting is always the most viable solution & it also depends on the condition of your cylinder kit & expertise is required on this.

A shogun is not so mod friendly as compared to RX135. Btw, i just spoke to my Friend now & he told me none of the carbs like VM22/VM24/VM26 are a direct fit to Shogun, some mods to be done in Mainfold.

Buddy, my suggestion wud be to pick an RX & modify it and retain this Shogun in stock. This is what one of my friends has done. A well maintained stock Shogun is still capable to beating the s*** out of P150/Fiero/CBZ/Unicorn.

If you are aiming at beating ZMA/P200 etc, then SHogun is not the bike, maybe a Shaolin would be a better option if you are to stick with Suzuki, else it has to be a RX135 5-Speed or the GOD RD350 Himself.

P.S: I am nowhere claiming that Shogun can't be modded, but its just that its not so easy as compared to an RX. There are many Shogun fans here, they may sure be able to better help you. And someday if you are indeed able to beat a ZMA in a straight line, then do let us all know as to what you have done with the bike. Also remember that there is no point in having a bike which gives an FE of 10-15Kmpl and does 140Kmph, that too for a street use or highway use. My 5-Speeder gives me around 26-27Kmpl and crosses 120Kmph with ease, so there has to be some balance. One just can't use a bike with 10Kmpl FE for touring !!!!. Modern cars now are giving more than 20Kmpl, this is FYIP.

@Kartikdattag......thanks for your suggestions

Actually with ceramic pistons and 7 point torque induction........I believe that even with soft modifications(air filter,spark plug,ignition),the Shogun is gonna bump atleast a bhp more of power.

If I add a bigger carb to this,along with Dual stage fibre reeds and widen the exhaust port along with a tuned 95' catconless exhaust.........I think my power would be anywhere between 16-17PS.But but but, with the stock Final drive of 13/44 the bike is only going to wheelie and going nowhere.................I would better try the 13/42 to make it run more at the maximum revs.........atleast to a 125kmph can be expected.Thus I may not expect nothing more.It is then like a First Gen ZMA.I would consider myself lucky if it betters this.

Yes,this is what I am going to do on the engine part,and all of you already know it.

Next the question if it beats the ZMA in straight line...........ok,I will do that.Now Drags not only depends on the power a bike belts out.....it also depends on who rides it,how the bike puts down the power..so this thing puts the ball in the rider's and the handling's court.

About the Rider.....my friend and co Xbhpian Metalhead_AJ smoked a highly modded P180 with his stock 160RTRFi in a straight line no holds barred drag(as far as I know P180s are faster than ZMA to and also the RTR160s).....and he is expected to have some exemplary reaction times.
About the Handling......gotta work that out on this light bike.(swingarm,front forks and tyres)

Also I am optimistic about the fact.........that sometimes,power mods increases fuel efficiency.....due to better fuel utilisation in 2Ts.......I have experienced that.
For Uber long tours I have my new GSR........but for short 100-200kms I think I can afford the bills for my Shogun blasts.I will consider it as a 100cc Superbike for that matter

After this call me crazy........ I have already been called "hopelessly smitten by Shogun".