Engine Oils

[muztariq]

Fellow XBHpians, Please suggest 20w50 Mineral oil for Duke.
The bike by default comes with SS bajaj 10000 DTSI oil, which i changed at 65 km at ODO to again bajaj 10000 DTSI oil and SVC guys had just this and fully synthetic motul 7100 oil .

I have been suggested to use mineral oil for Running in instead of Semi Synthetic as suggested in KTM's user manual

Hence please usggest me a 20w50 mineral oil and also its online availability so that i can order it online .

Your quick replies in this matter will be appreciated as after reading several post on internet i can not seem to find any online source for the oil as well a good suggestion for Duke

i have read about these oils but can not find them online

MOTUL 3000 4T 20W50 mineral oil

Shell Helix 20W50 most probably mineral oil need to be sure!

Buy atleast a yamalube 15w50 ss oil for your bike.. Mineral oil in a ktm 200 is not advisable. Your nearest yamaha service centre has the 15W50 ss oil which is used in r15.

Also, Motul 5100 is equivalent ss grade. No idea about online stuff!

Shell Helix is definitely a car oil which cant be used in 'our' wet clutch bikes.

[saurabhjd]

Actually yamalube ss oil is motul 5100 only and I see no reason why a mineral oil can not be used in ktm 200. Only thing is it should be changed on time to time.

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[muztariq]

Actually yamalube ss oil is motul 5100 only and I see no reason why a mineral oil can not be used in ktm 200. Only thing is it should be changed on time to time.

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OK i have to tell many things here.. even give explanations why I say What I say!!

We all know Yamalube SS is Motul SS!! It was for the benefit of the user that I asked goto the nearest yamaha service centre.. Save the time and effort in finding Motul.

Why I say use atleast SS oils in KTM!! Read KTM's Manual once. They say use 15W50 or 10W40 grade. Also poor quality grade oils results in premature engine wear. Page 133 of KTM's manual.. find it here -
KTM 200 Duke - Downloads

And by the way which pure mineral is available in 15W50 and 10W40 grade. Please enlist here. Pulsar is promoting its own oil nothing else. KTM's engine hasnt changed between Austria and India!

Also goto page 159 of the manual!! its clearly written use "Partially Synthetic" oil.

When someone buys a 1.3 lakhs vehicle.. he should feed it a good oil costing 450 Rs. every 3000 kms. Or else sell the vehicle. Already these vehicles demand high octane fuel and we are feeding them adulterated fuel... To avoid any problems at a later stage.. Use the oils that is recommended.

To all others, just a small advice. Give your opinions to the user and stop pointing out mistakes (so called) from others. It has happened to my three posts in a row!!

[kilometerkiller]

Authorized Service Centre

I ride Yamaha FAZER. In Yamaha Service centre, they use Yamalube only unless we provide oil ourselves. And I have been hearing that Motul oils work wonders in bike engines. So searching for it in Hyd for my next oil change.
will appreciate if you can suggest some places wher i can get it.

[muztariq]

I ride Yamaha FAZER. In Yamaha Service centre, they use Yamalube only unless we provide oil ourselves. And I have been hearing that Motul oils work wonders in bike engines. So searching for it in Hyd for my next oil change.
will appreciate if you can suggest some places wher i can get it.

The problem is what I am facing here in Hyd.

I dont like Yamalube Mineral. Finding Motul is a herculean task here. Yamalube 15W50 (I dont want to use w50 right now in my Fazer).
What best i can suggest you is buy R15 oil i.e yamalube 15w50 (Motul relabeled) it comes for 450-500 bucks.
Or else buy
Shell Advance ultra FS for 750 rs or AX7 for 326 rs. (both 10w40 grade) from any shell gas station (somajiguda etc)

[shoeb2015]

The problem is what I am facing here in Hyd.

I dont like Yamalube Mineral. Finding Motul is a herculean task here. Yamalube 15W50 (I dont want to use w50 right now in my Fazer).
What best i can suggest you is buy R15 oil i.e yamalube 15w50 (Motul relabeled) it comes for 450-500 bucks.
Or else buy
Shell Advance ultra FS for 750 rs or AX7 for 326 rs. (both 10w40 grade) from any shell gas station (somajiguda etc)

Motul 3000 4T Plus(10W30,20W40) and Motul 5100(15W40)is easily available at Sapthagiri Automobiles, Santosh Nagar.

https://maps.google.co.in/maps?saddr=Sapthagiri+Automobiles,+17-1-383%2FS%2F8,+Aruna+Complex,+Santoshnagar,+Hyderabad,+Andhra+Pradesh+500059&hl=en&ll=17.35793,78.525209&spn=0.044484,0.084543&sll=17.355677,78.51491&sspn=0.022242,0.042272&geocode=FYjCCAEdI_WtBCGIipcp4RWHlykNu5uHZZjLOzGIipcp4RWHlw&mra=prev&t=m&z=14

[muztariq]

Motul 3000 4T Plus(10W30,20W40) and Motul 5100(15W40)is easily available at Sapthagiri Automobiles, Santosh Nagar.

https://maps.google.co.in/maps?saddr...=prev&t=m&z=14

Hey, thanks a lot for the info.. highly appreciated.
Though the place is 35 km from my home, but I atleast know from where to get MOTUL!! Wow!
Any update on price for 5100, 7100 and 300V??

[murlidhar]

Can you pls tell where is it available in Hyd? Been searching for it for some time now.

don't remember the name of the shop but it is on ministers road and very near to James street mmts station. There are a couple of shops there but only one two wheeler spare parts shop. You might find it there. Been a couple of months I last saw those bottles.
The post above my post also shares a place where the motul oils are available
Thanks to shoeb2015

[ravi@17bhp]

Surprised to see Bosch engine oil today. Never knew Bosch making engine oils. Any reviews on this oil? And who is supplying technology?

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[windride]

Looking for a 20w40 oil for my splendor.
How is Elf brand of engine oils? I enquired at nearby stores for Motul or Shell, but they don't stock those. Only Castrol and Elf are sold in my neighbourhood.

Is Elf comparable to Motul/Shell in terms of quality for 20w40 grade oil? Please guide me. Thanks!

[Pinaki]

... Best Pure Mineral oil I have ever used.
Would suggest it to anyone using w40 grade oil... I got 5 liters for 1300 Rs. i.e 260 rs / liter.
The oil is API SJ approved.. Looking at the smoothness this oil has, it may have some friction reducers.. but not a big amount...

Excellent work Muztariq'Jee ! One line review says it all , I'm tempted to try a diesel rated oil .. maybe this ... next summer .

Its not an oil for bikes.. Bike oil should be JASO MA certified / approved...

He has already indicated that it is a Diesel/Petrol rated oil in his post ... and that it's API rated not JASO . Well there is no hard and fast rule like that . If a JASO labeled oil in required grade is readily available and you don't want to experiment , by all means use that only .
JASO is an unknown and rarely used standard in a major part of the world , they get API rated oils only in USA .. harleys and all, have seen this with my own eyes . If you want JASo then you have to drive long to the (very sparse) ASCs like Yamaha's or specialist shops and pay lots more for the motorcycle specific oil. So there are many API rated only oils that have been adopted by such bikers and running excellently . Diesel engine oils are particularly suited for motorcycle engine use by their composition and many oil makers say so clearly too (like shell). One good thing there is that oil makers are compelled by law to declare much info about the product on the labels and display a clear dough-nut sign in yellow saying "energy saving" on any oil that has the energy-saving(friction modifier) additives . Also many bikers here experiment with oil or are forced to use whatever is available in certain circumstances too .
In my humble opinion you can use a API only rated oil on a wet-clutch air-cooled bike engine just fine if -

i) if the oil is rated for diesel engines (then it is unlikely to contain slippery-clutch additives since tubo-charged diesels doesn't like/need that) .
ii) the grade is very conveniently close to what your bike needs .
iii) someone has already used it so , and confirmed that it ran just fine .(like muztariq'jee does here with the Delvac, thanks to him .)

From my real experiences I have seen many bikes with slipping clutch , mostly from defective, worn or maladjusted clutch (you won't believe how many guys ride around here and haven't ever adjusted clucth play) , rarely from the oil used .
On the pro's - Diesel engine oils are very robust and withstands severe service under high stress and temperatures(as is encountered by diesel engines) without breakdown or sludge longer, compared to petrol rated oils . Diesel engine oils always contain a potent detergent pack , good enough to pretty much flush out your engine with use ... again made so to deal with high soot(carbon) and effluents encountered by diesels . Diesel engine oils also have other advantages like high ZDDP content , which I leave on others more read on the topic to explain in more details (than I know myself) .
Con's are that most of them are usually found in larger(5lit+) packs than needed by our bikes for a single fill, and they do not work out any cheaper per liter here(in India) than the bike specific JASO oils .

.. and I see no reason why a mineral oil can not be used in ktm 200. Only thing is it should be changed on time to time..

Agree with you on this . Even a synthetic/semi-synthetic oil recomended engine should run just fine on a good mineral oil and no harm shall come to it , if the oil is kept at correct level , is in the right grade for the climate and replaced soon enough .

... And by the way which pure mineral is available in 15W50 and 10W40 grade. Please enlist here ...

Motul 3000 4T plus comes in 15w50 grade too , other than 10w30 and 20w40 . Have used it in this grade in my best friend's kawasaki wind-125 (specified for 20w50) and it ran very nicely . Never seen a pure mineral in 10w40 though .
I agree with you that if the engine is specified to run a synthetic/semi-synthetic oil from inception, better to do that(even if a mineral oil won't cause harm) .. unless constrained by circumstances or experimenting . In semi-synthetic xxw50 grade , Motul 5100 15w50 is indeed a deal , available in kolkata for Rs 400 a bottle . Overall , as petroleum crude prices increase and synthetic oils become cost effective to manufacture and widely adopted, I expect minerals to approach the similar price levels .

Looking for a 20w40 oil for my splendor.
How is Elf brand of engine oils? I enquired at nearby stores for Motul or Shell, but they don't stock those. Only Castrol and Elf are sold in my neighbourhood.
Is Elf comparable to Motul/Shell in terms of quality for 20w40 grade oil? Please guide me. Thanks!

Elf oils are good , I have used it once long ago .. but it was very thick . Go to your nearest Yamaha ASC and buy Yamalube 20w40 , you'll get a genuine and excellent oil for Splendor (saying this after real use in my Splendor) .

[madhav krishna]

Surprised to see Bosch engine oil today. Never knew Bosch making engine oils. Any reviews on this oil? And who is supplying technology?

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Dunno about the technology part but i remember using this oil 2-3 years back in dio. It used to come in different packaging back then.

In my humble opinion you can use a diesel rated oil on a wet-clutch air-cooled bike engine -
i) if the oil is rated for diesel engines (then it is unlikely to contain slippery-clutch additives since tubo-charged diesels doesn't like/need that) .
ii) the grade is very conveniently close to what your bike needs .
iii) someone has already used it so , and confirmed that it ran just fine .(like muztariq'jee does here with the Delvac, thanks to him .)

So does that mean that one can use diesel oils in the bikes too?? Shouldnt the high amount of detergents in diesel oils affect the bike's engine? And are there any advantages of using a diesel oil over oils meant for bikes??

[Pinaki]

Bike engines should not have any problems with high-detergency of diesel engine oils since bike oils contain quite high amount of detergents themselves(compared to petrol car oils) . Chemically speaking , it's just a little more of the same thing - can't hurt it, other than making it very clean on the positive side . Rest is in my post already - I was updating it while you asked .
You'll surprised if you enquire at oil shops how much Castrol CRB-plus and Veedol-Turbostar is sold to bikers , and they confirm that they get no complains .

[muztariq]

Diesel Vs Petrol Engine oils in bikes..

This diesel oil is being used by me after a lot of research on the topic..
Would not add any further info that has been so well explained by pinakiji.
There are three manufacturers/oil grades which make these high quality mineral oils.. Chevron 400, Shell Rotella and Mobil Delvac 1300. Of all my efforts, could only find Mobil Delvac 1300. This oil is used by Volvo buses (which run at 100 - 125 km/hr continously between hyderabad and nearby cities like banglore, vizag, goa, pune mumbai etc.)
it is a very high quality mineral oil. Called Group II oils. Any more refinement will make it Group III (like shell ultra, which costs 750/lt and legally called fully synthetic)
Read here - All About Motor Oil

Who should use it?
Someone who wants a quality mineral in the price of 260 / litre. Its also available in 1 litre packing, but was not available with the dealer when i went to him.
Someone who extends the drain interval due to financial constraints. If you are doing it on normal bike grades, better do it on this oil, you are better protected
Guys who use synthetics just for a smooth ride. This oil is smoothest of all mineral oils i used.

Who shouldn't use it?
High mileage bike (which have run more than 50,000 kms). It may dislodge carbon deposits from where it shouldn't.

Regarding Motul 3000 4T Plus 15W50 - It is not under circulation right now(AFAIK). It was introduced in May 2011 and was discontinued. Some old stocks are still available. But as it is an API SM oil, it is most probably a SS oil (API SN are essentially FS). Motul considers esters as Synthetic but Group III as mineral. This oil may have some Group III in it. Otherwise, its very difficult to get a 15W50 range from a pure mineral!

[psr]

After extensive search and analysis on the internet and personally, I had found that the Shell Rimula series of Diesel oil contains 1000 ~1500 ppm of ZDDP, and NO FRICTION MODIFIERS.... Ny favourite will be the Rimula R4 because it is API CI-4 rated with nearly 1500 ppm of ZDDP, which will offer good safety to the internal moving parts....I am now searching for a 1 liter pack since most vendors have only 5 liter ones...

anybody who wants to use Shell Rimula R4L Diesel oil in there bikes