Engine Oils

[muztariq]

After extensive search and analysis on the internet and personally, I had found that the Shell Rimula series of Diesel oil contains 1000 ~1500 ppm of ZDDP, and NO FRICTION MODIFIERS.... Ny favourite will be the Rimula R4 because it is API CI-4 rated with nearly 1500 ppm of ZDDP, which will offer good safety to the internal moving parts....I am now searching for a 1 liter pack since most vendors have only 5 liter ones...

anybody who wants to use Shell Rimula R4L Diesel oil in there bikes

Use it if its atleast API Sx like SG SJ SM approved. only then it can be used in Motorbikes with Petrol engines. Shell Rotella is API SM/SJ but this oil isnt.

Mobil 1300 is API SJ approved in India and the same oil in US is SM.

Shell Rimula T3 is what we are looking for.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/ind/products_services/on_the_road/consumer_lubricants_tpkg/trucks/shell_range_truck_heavy_duty_engine_oils/advanced_multi_grade_oils/rimula_t3/

API CH4 / SJ / SL approved

[shahbaz63]

Anybody hows VeedoL?

[maverick1]

No , it's printed Rs 335.00 there ... (135 LOL) . The shopkeeper was ready to sell it for 300 when I bargained . Plus it has discount coupon inside , says "win Rs 25 to Rs 10000" in yellow on the label ... so a minimum Rs 25 off . Even I am tempted now .. still can keep to 2000km drain with synthetic .
The shop is ESS enterprise in Jadavpur , Kolkata ( besides KPC Hospital ) .

Pinaki jee i need your and Muztariq jee's advice regarding the dilemma i am facing about engine oil change in KTM Duke

As you all are aware it comes with bajaj 10000 DTSI prefilled and i got the engine oil changed again at 65 kms and filled 10000 DTSI again as they just had this oil and 7100 motul.

Now the dilemma -
First - Confusion between Mineral and SS

KTM Duke india's manual does not specify type of oil to be used ie ss or mineral but they do mention SAE 20w50 API SG/SL JASO MA, MA1 and recommended brand by them is very own 10000 DTSi and Motul 7100 4T

Now thanks to Muztariq for pointing out KTM DUKE EU manual and doing the hard work of even attaching the required data , EU manual
mentions 15W50 as oil grade as well as 10W40 as well as you all are aware to use Partially synthetic oil


Now both manuals mentions different oils and naturally engine is same so for North India climate ( to be specific i am in Lucknow and its 33 degree now days peak while it goes down to 25 in nught and from here on it will remain same or will go down not go up! )
which grade of oil to use ?


Secondly should i go for SS or mineral as , as Muztariq jee pointed out EU manual does clearly mention SS and so is indirectly Indian one by recommending both SS oils but a popular as well as logical belief as by Motomans as well as s actually almost everywhere i have read is to use Mineral oil during run in, also some sites did mention, two sites to be precise that you can get away with semi synthetic as well, but again getting away means that it will be either as good as mineral for running in or slightly worse naturally not better, so here lies second confusion


thirdly if i should use ss then this question holds relevence - how good is 10000 DTSI oil? As if it is good enough and i am supposed to use SS then i will leave it to be in engine till 1000 kms. right now my bike has just 155 on ODO and i find gear shift hard compared to Test bike we i rode and engine harsh but not by fair degree , gear shift noticeably so ( may be all this as bike is new ) , my second part of this question is what benefit will Motul or Yamalube or any other brand as recommended will bring compared to DTSi oil , also very importantly what benefits will these oil bring in Running in, as my primary aim in this post is to aid myself in having best running in for the bike ,as i am firm believer that good running in practice goes long way in maintaining engine well.
Again thanks to muztariq jee for taking pain in relying to my post with proer facts to back it up, there are many people on forum who just give advices without any explanation or experience to backup and indeed XBhp has some good members like you, Pinaki jee ( iahve read many posts of his ), The mountain, Anupam on wheels , Arn, Argee to name a few
Also thanks to Saurabhzg for gving useful reply regarding the oil, your hel is much appreciated

OK i have to tell many things here.. even give explanations why I say What I say!!

We all know Yamalube SS is Motul SS!! It was for the benefit of the user that I asked goto the nearest yamaha service centre.. Save the time and effort in finding Motul.

Why I say use atleast SS oils in KTM!! Read KTM's Manual once. They say use 15W50 or 10W40 grade. Also poor quality grade oils results in premature engine wear. Page 133 of KTM's manual.. find it here -
KTM 200 Duke - Downloads

And by the way which pure mineral is available in 15W50 and 10W40 grade. Please enlist here. Pulsar is promoting its own oil nothing else. KTM's engine hasnt changed between Austria and India!

Also goto page 159 of the manual!! its clearly written use "Partially Synthetic" oil.

When someone buys a 1.3 lakhs vehicle.. he should feed it a good oil costing 450 Rs. every 3000 kms. Or else sell the vehicle. Already these vehicles demand high octane fuel and we are feeding them adulterated fuel... To avoid any problems at a later stage.. Use the oils that is recommended.

To all others, just a small advice. Give your opinions to the user and stop pointing out mistakes (so called) from others. It has happened to my three posts in a row!!

[kilometerkiller]

The problem is what I am facing here in Hyd.

I dont like Yamalube Mineral. Finding Motul is a herculean task here. Yamalube 15W50 (I dont want to use w50 right now in my Fazer).
What best i can suggest you is buy R15 oil i.e yamalube 15w50 (Motul relabeled) it comes for 450-500 bucks.
Or else buy
Shell Advance ultra FS for 750 rs or AX7 for 326 rs. (both 10w40 grade) from any shell gas station (somajiguda etc)

I assume you're telling abt SS oil. I'm thinking to go for FS since my bike has done 10k+ km now. From FZ ownership thread, I get that it shall cost around Rs. 950. But any idea how Shell FS works in FZ/FAZER? Is it comparable with Motul's quality?

Motul 3000 4T Plus(10W30,20W40) and Motul 5100(15W40)is easily available at Sapthagiri Automobiles, Santosh Nagar.

https://maps.google.co.in/maps?saddr...=prev&t=m&z=14

Thank you so much! I shall make a trip there ASAP.

Hey, thanks a lot for the info.. highly appreciated.
Though the place is 35 km from my home, but I atleast know from where to get MOTUL!! Wow!
Any update on price for 5100, 7100 and 300V??

Same here! 35 km from where I live.

don't remember the name of the shop but it is on ministers road and very near to James street mmts station. There are a couple of shops there but only one two wheeler spare parts shop. You might find it there. Been a couple of months I last saw those bottles.
The post above my post also shares a place where the motul oils are available
Thanks to shoeb2015

Thanks to you too! Will try in the places that you have mentioned too.

[muztariq]

As you all are aware it comes with bajaj 10000 DTSI prefilled and i got the engine oil changed again at 65 kms and filled 10000 DTSI again as they just had this oil and 7100 motul.

Now the dilemma -
First - Confusion between Mineral and SS

Regarding your query about Mineral or SS during breakin -

During breakin, its equally important to cool down the engine as is oil grade etc.

a mineral will not be as effective as an ss in conveying heat. As far as i know, KTM is having a big heating issue. If you donot take care of that during run in, you are exposing your engine to greater dangers.

Bajaj 10000 DTSi is SS oil (i am not sure but read it on pulsar 220 thread)

There is no harm in using this oil. But replacing with a mineral is like feeding The Great Khali with lolipop.

Would suggest you continue with Bajaj's factory fill oil and after 1000 kms go for the best you can lay your hands on. "Motul 7100 preferably".

Gear shifts etc should be thought after breakin. I am on SS oils from 1000 km on my fazer.. no issues.

I assume you're telling abt SS oil. I'm thinking to go for FS since my bike has done 10k+ km now. From FZ ownership thread, I get that it shall cost around Rs. 950. But any idea how Shell FS works in FZ/FAZER? Is it comparable with Motul's quality?

If you are into racing(going above 7000 rpms usually).. Motul 300V is the best. I have not used any Motul product till now(except yamalube 20w40) so cant compare shell 10W40 Ultra with it. But can surely tell you it is quite a good oil. Very smooth and lasts more than 4000 kms. Reduces engine noise. Is better heat stable than Motul 300v. You will require no top up till 3-4K kms but on 300V some top ups are reported even earlier.

[Pinaki]

Pinaki jee i need your and Muztariq jee's advice regarding the dilemma i am facing about engine oil change in KTM Duke
As you all are aware it comes with bajaj 10000 DTSI prefilled and i got the engine oil changed again at 65 kms and filled 10000 DTSI again as they just had this oil and 7100 motul...

Are you facing any specific problem with the Bajaj oil ? If not , then stick with it . Drain it at 1k km and every 1.5-2k kms thereafter .. and you should do nicely . Think about a synthetic oil nearing 10k kms (like the Motul 7100 20w50 - and you already know where to get that ) .

[ravi@17bhp]

Just found this new oil from Top 1 Oils, USA. JASO MA2 Certified with certification number provided. Seems to be a good choice for Pulsars. Grade 20w50. Anybody has experience on this oil?

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[akshayhonda]

I use Motul 5100 15W50 single ester semi-synthetic oil for my 2007 Pulsar 180 UG3. Really happy with the oil. Drains it fully every 2500kms. Really good oil. I will recommend this to all Pulsar owners here!

[fardeen]

Some interesting points about the benefits of using diesel engine oil by muztariq and pinaki ji. Will keep it in mind and definitely give it a shot later. Is it fine to use this oil in 100cc-150 cc motorcycles.

Though will stick to Motul 3000 4T 20W40 which costs 220 Rs for a litre though the MRP was 254 Rs. Since he had a single bottle of 20W40 he asked me to purchase Motul 3000 4T 15W50 which will be fine for the bike but I refused.

@Muztariq The Motul retailer had 5 bottles of Motul 3000 4T 15W50 available with him when I went to purchase Motul 3000 4T 20W40.

[mulli84]

My bike (CBR 150R) is closing in 3000kms on odo. With nearly a month to go due for the second service, Im thinking of changing the oil to FS now since the engine is harsh and I can feel slight vibrations near the gear shift area in the engine. Does Honda ASC has FS oils?

CAn I change the oil outside or finish 3500 kms and do the second service in the ASC?

[Honda_CBF]

My bike (CBR 150R) is closing in 3000kms on odo. With nearly a month to go due for the second service, Im thinking of changing the oil to FS now since the engine is harsh and I can feel slight vibrations near the gear shift area in the engine. Does Honda ASC has FS oils?

CAn I change the oil outside or finish 3500 kms and do the second service in the ASC?

Honda svc does stock their own FS oil, its Honda full throttle. Costs around 500rs. For services and oil changes only go to the Honda svc in due time as per owners manual or earlier (if you feels so), to keep your bike's warranty intact.
If you dont care about warranty then choose any 10w40 FS Oil from market.

[kilometerkiller]

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Guys, check out this ad from xbhp.

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I purchased Motul 300v Factory Line FS 15w50 from his "Castrol Bike zone" shop yesterday! His shop is in Gachibowli (Near Pearl Yamaha). Motul and Shell brands are available with him.

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[maverick1]

try valvoline premium 4t 20w50. Its a semi-synth oil, much much better than bajaj oil. And still if you want to have FS oil, motul 300v is the best full synth oil money can buy.
P.s. Make it sure they won't void warranty if you use after market oil.

OK i have to tell many things here.. even give explanations why I say What I say!!

We all know Yamalube SS is Motul SS!! It was for the benefit of the user that I asked goto the nearest yamaha service centre.. Save the time and effort in finding Motul.

Why I say use atleast SS oils in KTM!! Read KTM's Manual once. They say use 15W50 or 10W40 grade. Also poor quality grade oils results in premature engine wear. Page 133 of KTM's manual.. find it here -
KTM 200 Duke - Downloads

And by the way which pure mineral is available in 15W50 and 10W40 grade. Please enlist here. Pulsar is promoting its own oil nothing else. KTM's engine hasnt changed between Austria and India!

Also goto page 159 of the manual!! its clearly written use "Partially Synthetic" oil.

When someone buys a 1.3 lakhs vehicle.. he should feed it a good oil costing 450 Rs. every 3000 kms. Or else sell the vehicle. Already these vehicles demand high octane fuel and we are feeding them adulterated fuel... To avoid any problems at a later stage.. Use the oils that is recommended.

To all others, just a small advice. Give your opinions to the user and stop pointing out mistakes (so called) from others. It has happened to my three posts in a row!!

Excellent work Muztariq'Jee ! One line review says it all , I'm tempted to try a diesel rated oil .. maybe this ... next summer .
He has already indicated that it is a Diesel/Petrol rated oil in his post ... and that it's API rated not JASO . Well there is no hard and fast rule like that . If a JASO labeled oil in required grade is readily available and you don't want to experiment , by all means use that only .
JASO is an unknown and rarely used standard in a major part of the world , they get API rated oils only in USA .. harleys and all, have seen this with my own eyes . If you want JASo then you have to drive long to the (very sparse) ASCs like Yamaha's or specialist shops and pay lots more for the motorcycle specific oil. So there are many API rated only oils that have been adopted by such bikers and running excellently . Diesel engine oils are particularly suited for motorcycle engine use by their composition and many oil makers say so clearly too (like shell). One good thing there is that oil makers are compelled by law to declare much info about the product on the labels and display a clear dough-nut sign in yellow saying "energy saving" on any oil that has the energy-saving(friction modifier) additives . Also many bikers here experiment with oil or are forced to use whatever is available in certain circumstances too .
In my humble opinion you can use a API only rated oil on a wet-clutch air-cooled bike engine just fine if -

i) if the oil is rated for diesel engines (then it is unlikely to contain slippery-clutch additives since tubo-charged diesels doesn't like/need that) .
ii) the grade is very conveniently close to what your bike needs .
iii) someone has already used it so , and confirmed that it ran just fine .(like muztariq'jee does here with the Delvac, thanks to him .)

From my real experiences I have seen many bikes with slipping clutch , mostly from defective, worn or maladjusted clutch (you won't believe how many guys ride around here and haven't ever adjusted clucth play) , rarely from the oil used .
On the pro's - Diesel engine oils are very robust and withstands severe service under high stress and temperatures(as is encountered by diesel engines) without breakdown or sludge longer, compared to petrol rated oils . Diesel engine oils always contain a potent detergent pack , good enough to pretty much flush out your engine with use ... again made so to deal with high soot(carbon) and effluents encountered by diesels . Diesel engine oils also have other advantages like high ZDDP content , which I leave on others more read on the topic to explain in more details (than I know myself) .
Con's are that most of them are usually found in larger(5lit+) packs than needed by our bikes for a single fill, and they do not work out any cheaper per liter here(in India) than the bike specific JASO oils .

Agree with you on this . Even a synthetic/semi-synthetic oil recomended engine should run just fine on a good mineral oil and no harm shall come to it , if the oil is kept at correct level , is in the right grade for the climate and replaced soon enough .

Motul 3000 4T plus comes in 15w50 grade too , other than 10w30 and 20w40 . Have used it in this grade in my best friend's kawasaki wind-125 (specified for 20w50) and it ran very nicely . Never seen a pure mineral in 10w40 though .
I agree with you that if the engine is specified to run a synthetic/semi-synthetic oil from inception, better to do that(even if a mineral oil won't cause harm) .. unless constrained by circumstances or experimenting . In semi-synthetic xxw50 grade , Motul 5100 15w50 is indeed a deal , available in kolkata for Rs 400 a bottle . Overall , as petroleum crude prices increase and synthetic oils become cost effective to manufacture and widely adopted, I expect minerals to approach the similar price levels .
Elf oils are good , I have used it once long ago .. but it was very thick . Go to your nearest Yamaha ASC and buy Yamalube 20w40 , you'll get a genuine and excellent oil for Splendor (saying this after real use in my Splendor) .

Are you facing any specific problem with the Bajaj oil ? If not , then stick with it . Drain it at 1k km and every 1.5-2k kms thereafter .. and you should do nicely . Think about a synthetic oil nearing 10k kms (like the Motul 7100 20w50 - and you already know where to get that ) .

thanks for the detailed advices muztariq'jee and Pinaki jee , i had pretty much decided on yamalube 15w50 but then read your post regarding valvoline premium 4t 20w50 , now with it came two questions in my mind

first should i go for 15w50 or 20w50 or it does not matter, also if it does which one and why?

(I am in lucknow and temp will decrease gradually from now, i intend to change oil at first service to either of these two which is still 25 -30 days away! )

Second question being which oil is better among these or if there are any other recommendations as well as will they last till next oil change i.e. next oil change will be after 5000 kms.

Also is shifting to 15w40 is recommended ?

[Honda_CBF]

thanks for the detailed advices muztariq'jee and Pinaki jee..
..Also is shifting to 15w40 is recommended ?

stick to xxW50 grade because that's recommendation. And (according to me) you dont need to consider diesel oils this early either.
Performance wise yamalube & motul (5100; SS oil) in 15w50 are very much same (slight difference in additive package, base oil is same) costs little less than Rs500. These are best ss oils money can buy. And it seems these oils have some easters (synthetic base)
About valvoline premium 4T (costs around 320) that's also very good but in cold temperatures, gear shifts are heavy but not hard or even annoying and only after a kilometer or so it becomes smooth (read very very smooth & slick) motul & yama oil gets smooth just after few hundred meters.
Pick whatever you like, you will be satisfied. But as you stated, temps will go down in next few months.. Grade wise I've seen 15w50 oil reduces cold start problem and also little stress from starter motor (in pulsars)

[SriKi.GSpian]

i came to know that the oil level drops during winter season and constant top up is necessary! is this true.. here is the link : Wall Photos | Facebook

i own a gs150r..the gear shifts are becoming very hard these days..i find it very difficult to shift down from 2nd gear to neutral or to shift up from 1st gear to neutral..this is the first time i am experiencing this..the oil i use is motul mineral which has run just 1000kms since previous change!