Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[Sunnyside_up!]

same here bro... the reason i am interested in PGS jacket is CE: EN-1621-2 approved armours, whereas all others available in india are EN-1621-1 approved, and EN-1621-2 is better protection. and also the back protector is mentioned as 8 MM whereas all others in india are much less thick, and some even are 2-3 MM thick.

My friend,

I have recently had the good fortune to be exposed to some of the world leaders in impact armour and also to discuss and understand from extremely knowledgeable veterans in the field, the nuances of the rating standards and systems, so it is with some amusement that I read your post.

Your statement above is totally incorrect and I think perhaps in your excitement, you did not read correctly.

The CE EN1621-1 certification is for limb armours, that is shoulders, elbows, hips and knees only, while the EN1621-2 is for back and lumbar protectors ONLY. One is not better than the other - it is merely a differentiation between limb and back protection standards.

The fact that their website clearly claims their shoulder and elbow armours to be EN1621-2 compliant clearly demonstrates the falsehood of their claim. They are in effect claiming that their limb armour is certified to a back protector standard!

Either they do not know what they are talking about or they are making false claims - you may decide for yourself.

The back protector that they advertise on the other hand is simply 8 mm foam which is what is found on almost every jacket sold in India. I am yet to come across 2-3mm foam. I personally do not approve of the practice of simple foam, which I am informed is used to maintain the shape of the jacket during shipping, rather than serving any real purpose and feel that the basic should be at least dual density armour but even jackets that are sold for 8-10k by famous brands are offered to the gullible public like that.

The CE EN1621-2 standard for back protectors is further divided into Level 1 and 2 protectors to differentiate between the amount of force/impact the back protector can take. The Level 2 has a higher protection factor than Level 1, allowing less impact force/energy to be transmitted to the body, and is currently the gold standard in back armour rating.

Below is a picture of a SaS-Tec Level 2 back protector taken from my jacket. Its almost 20mm thick and made of a specially formulated Visco-Elastomeric Polyurethane which when warmed by the body's heat conforms, or moulds itself to the wearer's shape, making it very comfortable. Truly space-age material.



Please zoom into the base of the protector to read the specifications embossed on it. I hope this clears your doubts. I would be happy to discuss this offline in depth if you need more clarifications. In the meanwhile cheers and ride safe!

[B7ACKTHORN]

My friend,

I have recently had the good fortune to be exposed to some of the world leaders in impact armour and also to discuss and understand from extremely knowledgeable veterans in the field, the nuances of the rating standards and systems, so it is with some amusement that I read your post.

Your statement above is totally incorrect and I think perhaps in your excitement, you did not read correctly.

The CE EN1621-1 certification is for limb armours, that is shoulders, elbows, hips and knees only, while the EN1621-2 is for back and lumbar protectors ONLY. One is not better than the other - it is merely a differentiation between limb and back protection standards.

The fact that their website clearly claims their shoulder and elbow armours to be EN1621-2 compliant clearly demonstrates the falsehood of their claim. They are in effect claiming that their limb armour is certified to a back protector standard!

Either they do not know what they are talking about or they are making false claims - you may decide for yourself.

The back protector that they advertise on the other hand is simply 8 mm foam which is what is found on almost every jacket sold in India. I am yet to come across 2-3mm foam. I personally do not approve of the practice of simple foam, which I am informed is used to maintain the shape of the jacket during shipping, rather than serving any real purpose and feel that the basic should be at least dual density armour but even jackets that are sold for 8-10k by famous brands are offered to the gullible public like that.

The CE EN1621-2 standard for back protectors is further divided into Level 1 and 2 protectors to differentiate between the amount of force/impact the back protector can take. The Level 2 has a higher protection factor than Level 1, allowing less impact force/energy to be transmitted to the body, and is currently the gold standard in back armour rating.

Below is a picture of a SaS-Tec Level 2 back protector taken from my jacket. Its almost 20mm thick and made of a specially formulated Visco-Elastomeric Polyurethane which when warmed by the body's heat conforms, or moulds itself to the wearer's shape, making it very comfortable. Truly space-age material.

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Please zoom into the base of the protector to read the specifications embossed on it. I hope this clears your doubts. I would be happy to discuss this offline in depth if you need more clarifications. In the meanwhile cheers and ride safe!

+1 to what Sunny has summed up. Indeed I was about to correct prince's mistake, but not so elaborately as you've did, but a very valid point made here by Sunny.

My friend using it, no certification found but the guards are "strong", would still say to have a look into "brands"

That's good news indeed. Why don't you ask your friend to post some pics of it, so it'd be real helpful, or you can snap some shots of it. You are the guy with PRATEEK PHOTOGRAPHY page in FB :P :P

Cheers!
VJ

[TeeJayy]

My friend.....

Please zoom into the base of the protector to read the specifications embossed on it. I hope this clears your doubts. I would be happy to discuss this offline in depth if you need more clarifications. In the meanwhile cheers and ride safe!

Is there a double like option??
If the discussion continues here itself, there would be many more who would be happy

[princesirohi]

My friend using it, no certification found but the guards are "strong", would still say to have a look into "brands"

buddy, if possible can u click some pics of his jacket from outside as well as inside and some close up pics of armour, so that we can see, what it is. also if possible can you write a detailed review with pics.

My friend,I have recently had the good fortune to be exposed to some of the world leaders in impact armour and also to discuss and understand from extremely knowledgeable veterans in the field, the nuances of the rating standards and systems, so it is with some amusement that I read your post.Your statement above is totally incorrect and I think perhaps in your excitement, you did not read correctly.The CE EN1621-1 certification is for limb armours, that is shoulders, elbows, hips and knees only, while the EN1621-2 is for back and lumbar protectors ONLY. One is not better than the other - it is merely a differentiation between limb and back protection standards.

thanks for pointing out but i do know that EN:1621-1 and 1621-2 are different standards and one is applicable to shoulder and elbow armour and other to back armour, and this is the very reason, i become doubtful, that how can they claim their shoulder and elbow armour to be EN-1621-2 approved.

The fact that their website clearly claims their shoulder and elbow armours to be EN1621-2 compliant clearly demonstrates the falsehood of their claim. They are in effect claiming that their limb armour is certified to a back protector standard! Either they do not know what they are talking about or they are making false claims - you may decide for yourself.

this is exactly the reason, even i thought something is wrong...

The back protector that they advertise on the other hand is simply 8 mm foam which is what is found on almost every jacket sold in India. I am yet to come across 2-3mm foam. I personally do not approve of the practice of simple foam, which I am informed is used to maintain the shape of the jacket during shipping, rather than serving any real purpose and feel that the basic should be at least dual density armour but even jackets that are sold for 8-10k by famous brands are offered to the gullible public like that.

8 mm thick foam that they are advertising is memory foam, which i think should be better than normal foam, but again due to their goof up with CE standards i am doubtful. btw, 2-4 mm foam is what is provided in some of the brands available in india like DSG range upto 5500 rupees, i am not sure about cramster, Rjays etc, will be checking out soon. and yes i want a better armour like dual density.

The CE EN1621-2 standard for back protectors is further divided into Level 1 and 2 protectors to differentiate between the amount of force/impact the back protector can take. The Level 2 has a higher protection factor than Level 1, allowing less impact force/energy to be transmitted to the body, and is currently the gold standard in back armour rating.

yes you are correct, about level-1 and 2.

Below is a picture of a SaS-Tec Level 2 back protector taken from my jacket. Its almost 20mm thick and made of a specially formulated Visco-Elastomeric Polyurethane which when warmed by the body's heat conforms, or moulds itself to the wearer's shape, making it very comfortable. Truly space-age material.[ATTACH=CONFIG]91991[/ATTACH]Please zoom into the base of the protector to read the specifications embossed on it. I hope this clears your doubts. I would be happy to discuss this offline in depth if you need more clarifications. In the meanwhile cheers and ride safe!

buddy, can you share details of which jacket are you using, which has above mentioned back protection, from where you purchased it and for how much cost.....

+1 to what Sunny has summed up. Indeed I was about to correct prince's mistake, but not so elaborately as you've did, but a very valid point made here by Sunny. That's good news indeed. Why don't you ask your friend to post some pics of it, so it'd be real helpful, or you can snap some shots of it. You are the guy with PRATEEK PHOTOGRAPHY page in FB :P :PCheers! VJ

it was not a mistake, i just wrote what was mentioned on their website, and that is the reason i thought there is something fishy and thats why i am discussing it here. yes a proper review will be very helpful.

Is there a double like option?? If the discussion continues here itself, there would be many more who would be happy

yes +1 to you TeeJayy, discussing it here will help many more bikers.

ok a general question to all, i want a riding jacket, my requirements are that it should have--

• a rain liner.
• a thermal liner.
• CE: EN1621-1 approved shoulder and elbow armours
• CE: EN 1621-2 approved back protection
• if possible a chest armour also.
• my budget is till 8000 rupees.

if you guys can suggest a good option, i will be thankful.

also, tell me what do you guys think about this, body armour, apper torso armour-->

PGS BIKING GEARS DELHI, INDIA

what are the other similar options available in india. ??

i think my requirements as mentioned above are difficult to be met by any product available in india, so i am thinking about purchasing an upper torso amour and a riding jacket, so i will wear an upper torso amour inside a riding jacket, what do you guys think. ..??

a riding jacket will cost around 5500 rupees and i have 3000 ruppes to spend on an upper torso armour.

plz suggest.

also i did a background check on PGS, and found that they are just the dealers, the product is manufactured in pakestan by Padana Group, some useful websites-->

:::: Adventure Paradise Mount ::::

Welcome to Padana Group


Motorbike Leather Suits-Leather Motorbike Jacket-Motorbike Suits


and then a useful link about armour certifications-->

Velocity Gear - Armor Safety Information


also, can we ask for actual test certifications from manufacturers for their CE certification claims.

[shahbaz63]

Looking for Gloves, previously used DSG Carbon Gloves, satisfied with quality & protection, but as it was a bit over sized (by 1 inch) selling it, so looking for new gloves under 5,000. Suggestions ?

Also looking for Riding Pants - till 7k .

[prateek2210]

That's good news indeed. Why don't you ask your friend to post some pics of it, so it'd be real helpful, or you can snap some shots of it. You are the guy with PRATEEK PHOTOGRAPHY page in FB :P :P

Cheers!
VJ

Hahahaha yeah thats me.... and he is the same guy from whom I bought 70-300mm

buddy, if possible can u click some pics of his jacket from outside as well as inside and some close up pics of armour, so that we can see, what it is. also if possible can you write a detailed review with pics.

Will try my level best buddies to go and meet him and click for you guys. Although he is on xbhp with the id Hellraiser

[B7ACKTHORN]

Hahahaha yeah thats me.... and he is the same guy from whom I bought 70-300mm

..... Although he is on xbhp with the id Hellraiser

Hehe, see I am not that forgetful after all. Hellraiser, I've seen him for the most part in this thread. HELLRAISER, it's time to post some reviews of your jacket buddy!

Looking for Gloves, previously used DSG Carbon Gloves, satisfied with quality & protection, but as it was a bit over sized (by 1 inch) selling it, so looking for new gloves under 5,000. Suggestions ?

Also looking for Riding Pants - till 7k .

For pants, why don't you look at Spartan or Joe Rocket

Performance Racing Store. Joe Rocket Phoenix 2.0 Motorcycle Pants

The pant above is their bottom-end price for JR stuff at 7.5K

Performance Racing Store. AGV Sport SOLARE TEXTILE PANT

This is the AGV Solare at 6k

or Spartan Odysseus, the cheapest and the best of the lot.

Spartan Pro Gear

ok a general question to all, i want a riding jacket, my requirements are that it should have--

• a rain liner.
• a thermal liner.
• CE: EN1621-1 approved shoulder and elbow armours
• CE: EN 1621-2 approved back protection
• if possible a chest armour also.
• my budget is till 8000 rupees.

if you guys can suggest a good option, i will be thankful.

also, tell me what do you guys think about this, body armour, apper torso armour-->

PGS BIKING GEARS DELHI, INDIA

what are the other similar options available in india. ??

i think my requirements as mentioned above are difficult to be met by any product available in india, so i am thinking about purchasing an upper torso amour and a riding jacket, so i will wear an upper torso amour inside a riding jacket, what do you guys think. ..??

a riding jacket will cost around 5500 rupees and i have 3000 ruppes to spend on an upper torso armour.

plz suggest.

also i did a background check on PGS, and found that they are just the dealers, the product is manufactured in pakestan by Padana Group, some useful websites-->

:::: Adventure Paradise Mount ::::

Welcome to Padana Group

Motorbike Leather Suits-Leather Motorbike Jacket-Motorbike Suits

and then a useful link about armour certifications-->

Velocity Gear - Armor Safety Information

also, can we ask for actual test certifications from manufacturers for their CE certification claims.

Prince, I guess Spartan's Helios is the best jacket in India as far as I know, which has dual liners, KNOX approved torso and back protector at a superb pricepoint, all as options, but even added up, it doesn't pinch your pocket. Yes it chucks away chest protector, and so does most jackets out there.

Chest protectors in most jackets, that come as standard, do have the basic foam, not the certified one. That being said, both chest and back are easily upgradable to KNOX standards. Why don't you try A* and Speed and Strength, they have some good jackets with your needs.

Regarding details regarding a jacket's peformance, esepecially when it comes to textile, no manufacturer is gonna release them, their test bench results, if they did no one is ever gonna sell their product, even the top players in the industry.

There are plethora of jackets from many production houses and each one varies significantly, so it's impossible for them to base each jacket accordingly and phase out a technical data on the effectiveness of their product. That being said, it'd be home-stretch if any company were to do so, considering the ENORMOUS portfolio they have when it comes to especially in textile.

Hope it cleared some air.

Cheers!
VJ

[krish2778]

The KNOX armor is icing on the cake. I had been looking out for a new jacket, and now i have decided on the Spartan with full KNOX armour, need to raise some money for the covering the hike in price with KNOX armor..!! It will be money well spent for sure..!!!

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

[B7ACKTHORN]

The KNOX armor is icing on the cake. I had been looking out for a new jacket, and now i have decided on the Spartan with full KNOX armour, need to raise some money for the covering the hike in price with KNOX armor..!! It will be money well spent for sure..!!!

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

Precisely. Considering the foam armor, a jacket with international standards at a good price point is all that matters. Go for it!!

Cheers!
VJ

[shahbaz63]

Thanks, but Joe Rocket Bottom End pants seems to be very basic isnt it ? rather then I can have a top end pants for some not very known brands ...

HOws the Adonis ?

Spartan ProGear | Product

[B7ACKTHORN]

Thanks, but Joe Rocket Bottom End pants seems to be very basic isnt it ? rather then I can have a top end pants for some not very known brands ...

HOws the Adonis ?

Spartan ProGear | Product

Adonis is denim, never used it. But denim is inferior when it comes to the nylon component of the textile gears. It doesn't mean, denim is useless or something like that. But for pure practicality with okay-ish protection, a denim jeans with the protectors at the right place is an excellent proposition.

I myself am looking to get one, but just when you purchase something new, the one you always dreamed of pops at that exact moment.

Cheers!
VJ

[kantu]

Looking for Gloves

Spartan Pegasus is good VFM.
alpinestars smx-2 air carbon gloves (Good for a sunny day has nice ventilation)

[princesirohi]

@B7ACKTHORN: i looked at spartan helios also, but-->>

• it does not have a thermal liner.
• it is not a well known brand.
• so what is the authenticity of its CE rating.
• it does not have pockets for chest pads.
• it is not written on website that it has KNOX armour

can you tell me what will be the cost with upgraded level-2 armour, also i know somebody here on xbhp has purchased and review it, can u point me to that post.

btw, what do you think of my plan to wear an upper torso armour under a jacket.

[Sunnyside_up!]

Adonis is denim, never used it. But denim is inferior when it comes to the nylon component of the textile gears. It doesn't mean, denim is useless or something like that. But for pure practicality with okay-ish protection, a denim jeans with the protectors at the right place is an excellent proposition.

I myself am looking to get one, but just when you purchase something new, the one you always dreamed of pops at that exact moment.

Cheers!
VJ

VJ - The ADONIS is not just denim. It has a Kevlar lining on the inside which is a ballistic grade material. The Kevlar is used in the impact areas where abrasion against the road is most likely, namely the knees, sides of the leg and the butt. The design is such that even if the denim burns through in a slide, the Kevlar will not and prevent the skin from coming in contact with the road. KNOX armour is provided for impact protection at the knees inside a Kevlar pocket. The armour is removable for washing the garment. Here is a picture.



Please note however that it is designed for light duty and your Sunday morning rides. For heavy duty protection, always use dedicated Cordura or leather riding pants with proper armour.

[B7ACKTHORN]

@B7ACKTHORN: i looked at spartan helios also, but-->>

• it does not have a thermal liner.
• it is not a well known brand.
• so what is the authenticity of its CE rating.
• it does not have pockets for chest pads.
• it is not written on website that it has KNOX armour

can you tell me what will be the cost with upgraded level-2 armour, also i know somebody here on xbhp has purchased and review it, can u point me to that post.

btw, what do you think of my plan to wear an upper torso armour under a jacket.

Spartan maybe a brand that's not known, but it well gives it other competitors a good run for their money, from what I've worn, experienced. Regarding its authneticity, you can go back a few pages, and there is a detailed explanation of its armor details.

Now as I've said, the Helios does come with a thermal liner, KNOX body and back protector as an add-on, which means you can opt for these apart from the standard ones, which are CE approved and foam based protectors.

If you go back a few pages, even a couple, you can see a question asked by me to a member to post the details of the cost of the jacket, which comes close to 7.5K for the aforementioned items included.

Now the upper torso armor, wearing protection is a very good idea, but too much you look like a character from teh movie THOR, but too much is still isn't enough. If you are into dirt bikign, extremely fast activities, then you can consider them, in which front falls are significant. But all in, a basic jacket with good armor should do the trick

Cheers!
VJ